Cont: Transwomen are not women - part XI

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d4m10n said:
As the link says, "An assault can include very minor force."
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Ziggurat said:
It is a crime, and it's not acceptable behavior.
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If you guys try to split that hair any thinner you'll lose it entirely.

Since you both live in a country where it's every person's god-given right to carry a firearm, I'm just going to smile at the level of stupidity required to insist that tipping sauce on someone with force you'd need a physicist to quantify is an assault.

For christ's sake, neither of you go to a beach any time - some kid might splash you and you'll need to call the cops.

Samson said:
More detail emerges about this individual who committed a vile assault.
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And again.

"Vile assault"

Laughable.
 
Nick Terry said:
Conversely, "trans women are women" is immediately refuted by the statement 'only women can menstruate', since trans women are by definition biological men, who cannot menstruate.
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I believe you are committing the fallacy of denying the antecedent here.
 
Has there been any agreement on how to define "woman"?

Without that there can be no resolution to this debate.
 
Robin said:
Not all trans women are wedded to the idea that trans women are women, in fact it may be that most are not and are quite relaxed about the distinction.
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Mate, you're not allowed to introduce reality and facts as a means of debate.

Nobody actually has any idea what percentage of trans women seek to walk the furthest path of womanhood. Unfortunately, only those like the thing who tried to sue a beauty therapist for not giving it a Brazilian make the news.

Trans I know and have known, especially those who retain a penis, have no interest in that kind of behaviour and only want access to women's bathrooms to rightly protect themselves against men. They would no more commit a sexual assault on women than fly to the moon.

So, will you please get back to concentrating on the outliers and perverted males who want to exploit their new-found freedom.

TIA
 
A little internet search shows that a "woman" is a female human being.

And the definition of "female" is "of the sex that can produce offspring and produce eggs".

Based on those definitions, trans women are not women.

According to which definition of "woman", are trans women "women"?
 
Robin said:
Then you quoted the wrong part of my post. You quoted the part about being in love.
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Here is a more complete quotation of that post:
If anyone is wedded to the term "same-sex attraction" then no-one is stopping them using it. Personally I just call them all attraction. Being in love with a biological male and being in love with a biological female are both just love. Why make the distinction?
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I tried to explain that sometimes it is worthwhile to make the distinction, for example, if you were trying to create (or patronize) a dating website/app. Or, for another example, if you were trying to build political solidarity among those who experience same-sex attraction for the sake of pushing for legal equality.

Robin said:
99.99% of the world don't think that a lesbian should feel pressured to have sex with someone she doesn't want to.
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Did you happen to catch the discussion of "cotton ceiling" activism upthread? Pretty sure it was on point.
 
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Robin said:
Not all trans women are wedded to the idea that trans women are women, in fact it may be that most are not and are quite relaxed about the distinction.
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Some trans women disagree fundamentally with gender identity ideology. I know several. They tend to get labelled as 'self-hating trans' by activists.
 
The footage of the SJW punching the glasses off the face of an elderly woman (and sending her to ER, apparently) might be shocking, but it's clearly an aberration and unworthy of coverage by ABC/CBC/MSNBC ad nauseam.

Although I don't know, it kind of reminds me of Eric Clanton.
 
Hercules56 said:
Has there been any agreement on how to define "woman"?

Without that there can be no resolution to this debate.
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Most words suit their purpose fine without a strict unambiguous definition. For example "man" as in someone saying "you are not a man" to an adult human male does not mean "adult human male".
 
The Atheist said:
Since you both live in a country where it's every person's god-given right to carry a firearm, I'm just going to smile at the level of stupidity required to insist that tipping sauce on someone with force you'd need a physicist to quantify is an assault.
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You've inadvertently made an interesting point here. Part of the point of the tort of assault at common law was to provide legal recourse in lieu of "dueling and other illegal forms of self-help" which were surprisingly popular ways to deal with minor indignities to the person.
 
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The Atheist said:
Since you both live in a country where it's every person's god-given right to carry a firearm, I'm just going to smile at the level of stupidity required to insist that tipping sauce on someone with force you'd need a physicist to quantify is an assault.
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We have produced numerous sources laying out the legal definition of assault in New Zealand, and they all indicate that that qualifies. It is a separate question whether or not police would prosecute, but it absolutely qualifies, and an argument from incredulity (which is all you've offered) doesn't constitute any sort of rebuttal.
 
IsThisTheLife said:
The footage of the SJW punching the glasses off the face of an elderly woman (and sending her to ER, apparently) might be shocking, but it's clearly an aberration and unworthy of coverage by ABC/CBC/MSNBC ad nauseam.

Although I don't know, it kind of reminds me of Eric Clanton.
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Also having trouble finding a reference to it. To you have a link to details?
 
IsThisTheLife said:
The footage of the SJW punching the glasses off the face of an elderly woman (and sending her to ER, apparently) might be shocking, but it's clearly an aberration and unworthy of coverage by ABC/CBC/MSNBC ad nauseam.

Although I don't know, it kind of reminds me of Eric Clanton.
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I couldn't find it in the Fox coverage either.

Or on the Australian Sky News our equivalent of Fox News
 
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Hercules56 said:
A little internet search shows that a "woman" is a female human being.

And the definition of "female" is "of the sex that can produce offspring and produce eggs".

Based on those definitions, trans women are not women.

According to which definition of "woman", are trans women "women"?
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None of them - have a look at the title of the thread.

Ziggurat said:
We have produced numerous sources laying out the legal definition of assault in New Zealand, and they all indicate that that qualifies.
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No, you've given your opinion on whether it qualifies. The decision on whether it does or not is up to the Crown Law Office.

Ziggurat said:
It is a separate question whether or not police would prosecute, but it absolutely qualifies, and an argument from incredulity (which is all you've offered) doesn't constitute any sort of rebuttal.
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I don't feel the need to rebut stupidity.
 
smartcooky said:
Wait... a member of this forum was given a death threat, and then subsequently murdered by the person who threatened them!?
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No. Just the threat, followed by a discussion of the implied physics in the wording of the threat.

I will try to find it.
 
Ziggurat said:
We have produced numerous sources laying out the legal definition of assault in New Zealand, and they all indicate that that qualifies. It is a separate question whether or not police would prosecute, but it absolutely qualifies, and an argument from incredulity (which is all you've offered) doesn't constitute any sort of rebuttal.
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Only actual battery and bodily harm is anything we need to be concerned about when it comes to neo-nazis, but even then ...
 
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