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An interview/conversation with Nicky Woolf and Max Johnston from the Project Brazen podcast series:
Argument by podcast interview, how boring. If his insight was worth something he would write it down, or at least give us some interesting visuals to watch while they drone on. Actually even that wouldn't be enough to keep me interested for over half an hour.

When I read an article I don't just read it. Whenever I see something I want to know more about I google it. I might also want to re-read a part to understand it better. Not so easy to do this with audio. And then I might want to quote it. This is a real pain...
 
Apropos of Zaid:

Tomorrow the Intelligence Community issues awaited findings concerning #AHIs ("Anomalous Health Incidents") that will be very disconcerting. My firm represent abt 2 dozen fed victims.
I plan to challenge the conclusions.
We have already sued under #FOIA for the final report.
Mark S. Zaid (on Twitter, March 1, 2023)

That Mark Zaid plans "to challenge the conclusions" seems to indicate that he doesn't think it's going his way, doesn't it?!

One of the replies (to the question of another Tweeter, Aaron James: "What does this mean?") includes copies of what appears to be 4 documents:
Nothing that we don’t know for sure,including you that lied to people you and many others
Crespo (on Twitter, March 1, 2023)
The first one appears to be an email from Michael Hoffer to James Giordano, Sep 2, 2018, about: "Penn group (which is a group entirely composed of clinicians) now is convince this is microwaves."
The second one is a Hoffer tweet to Biden's pandemic rescue plan (Jan 14, 2021). Hoffer writing: "And vaccinate as many people as possible ASAP"
The third copy appears to be Hoffer's evaluation of patient. I have no idea what "(After VT2)" means.
The fourth from March 28, 2019 also seems to be Hoffer's evaluation of the same patient: "Chief complaint: New Patient Evaluation (acoustic attacks in cuba)"
"Patient with tinnitus and left ear pain that began after af visit to Cuba in September 2016 (...) Tinnitus is very bothersome"

Hoffer's tweet about Covid-19 vaccinations is weird in the context of the others about the 'syndrome. Can it be a 'syndrome' sufferer + antivaxxer?
 
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No Attack - so what do you do when that's what you've been claiming?

Bonus episode in the Project Brazen podcast series:

While we were crafting our last few episodes, some big news dropped. A new report from the CIA and other intel agencies found that no foreign actor, attack or technology could be behind the Anomalous Health Incidents, aka Havana Syndrome. Co-creators Nicky Woolf and Max Johnston sift through the noise to find out what’s going on.
BONUS: Fresh Doubts out of Washington (THE SOUND, March 2, 2023 - 13 min.)


The Project Brazen team pretends that the report revealing that there was never any attack and never any attacker doesn't really change anything of what they have been claiming in their podcast series.
I think it's pretty embarrassing that Nicky Woolf still clings to the conspiracy theory of the 'Havana Syndrome' after this.
 
it is “very unlikely” a foreign adversary is responsible for the reported AHIs

This is the news that ruined Project Brazen's story:

Since US officials first reported AHIs in Havana, Cuba in late 2016, the IC has sought to understand whether these events can be attributed to a foreign actor and a deliberate external mechanism. The IC pursued three separate lines of inquiry: the first encompassed work determining whether available data points to the involvement of a foreign adversary in the incidents; the second focused on the feasibility and existence of deliberate mechanisms that an adversary might use against US personnel to cause AHIs; and the third evaluated whether medical analysis can help determine if an outside actor is involved in the broad range of phenomena and symptoms associated with AHIs. Based on the results of these three lines of inquiry, most IC agencies have concluded that it is “very unlikely” a foreign adversary is responsible for the reported AHIs. IC agencies have varying confidence levels, with two agencies at moderate-to-high confidence while three are at moderate confidence. Two agencies judge it is “unlikely” an adversary was responsible for AHIs and they do so with low confidence based on collection gaps and their review of the same evidence.
Updated Assessment of Anomalous Health Incidents (National Intelligence Council, March 1, 2023)
 
Lawyer Mark Zaid sounds pretty desperate:

The level of categorical denial by Intelligence Community that no[/hilitee] (sic) foreign adversary was involved in AHI cases raises many red flags. Did we tell Japanese we broke their WWII codes? No. Did we tell Germans we obtained enigma machine & could read msgs? No. Is this explanation?
NEWS ALERT: @MarkSZaidPC reps more than 2 doz federal #AHI victims & family members. Below is our statement in response to IC Assessment findings issued today. We already have #FOIA litigation to compel release of report & @ODNIgov must update Court by March 20th.
Mark S. Zaid (on Twitter, March 1, 2023)
See Mark Zaid's statement in the Twitter threat. This tweet is pathetic:
I, for one, would like to know what this @CIA slide from approx 1971 means. Mark S. Zaid (on Twitter, March 1, 2023)
I hope for Mark Zaid and his clients' sake that he doesn't think the illustration in the tweet is a photo documenting a directed pulsed microwave attack! :)
 
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US intelligence community cannot link ‘Havana Syndrome’ cases to a foreign adversary (CNN, March 1, 2023)
Havana Syndrome unlikely to have hostile cause, US says (BBC, March 1, 2023)
'Havana syndrome' not caused by foreign adversary, US intelligence says (The Guardian, March 1, 2023)
‘Havana syndrome’ not caused by energy weapon or foreign adversary, intelligence review finds (Washington Post, March 1, 2023)
What's likely behind mysterious 'Havana syndrome' that plagued US diplomats (ABC News, March 2, 2023)
Intel Report Says 'Havana Syndrome' Isn't So Menacing after All (The Daily Beast, March 1, 2023)
US intelligence: 'Havana syndrome' not foreign foes' work (DW, March 2, 2023)

For some reason, CBS* doesn't seem to have much to say about this. But maybe they are busy preparing another episode of 60 Minutes about the 'syndrome' ...


*ETA: My bad! When I didn't find any articles from CBS, I switched my search term to Anomalous Health Incidents and immediately found this article:
U.S. intelligence review says "very unlikely" foreign adversary is behind "Havana Syndrome" (CBS News, March 1, 2023)
It has 'Havana Syndrome' in the title, so I don't know why it didn't give any results at first.
The CBS article has this:
One official said the intelligence community's judgment on the potential involvement of foreign adversaries was not only based on an absence of evidence, but that there was "a lot of evidence that points the other way."
The official said intelligence had shown "confusion" about the theory among key U.S. adversaries who were more inclined, he said, to "think this is a U.S. plot."

The idea that it might have been the inadvertent result of a listening device gone bad also seems to have been dismissed:
Agencies also determined, after reviewing intelligence, medical and scientific literature and open-source data, that there was "no credible evidence" that a foreign adversary was using a weapon or other collection device that resulted in symptoms.
 
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Speaking during the White House briefing on Wednesday, press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre assured reporters that government officials who reported Anomalous Health Incidents (AHI) of ‘Havana syndrome’ symptoms will continue to receive access to the health care that they need. “We understand that people truly went through an ordeal,” Jean-Pierre said. “The president’s commitment to the health and safety of U.S. government personnel remains unwavering.”

Earlier in the day, an extensive U.S. intelligence community investigation concluded it was “very unlikely” a foreign adversary was responsible for the “Havana syndrome” ailments that have afflicted U.S. diplomats and intelligence officers worldwide, according to declassified findings released on Wednesday.
US government officials with “Havana syndrome” symptoms have Biden's "unwavering" support (Global News on YouTube, March 1, 2023 - 2 min.)

The U.S. State Department said the findings from an investigation concluded that it is 'very unlikely' a foreign adversary is responsible for 'Havana syndrome' and 'in no way call into question' the symptoms reported by U.S. diplomats and officers.
U.S. intel finds 'Havana syndrome' not caused by foe – News (Reuters on YouTube, March 2, 2023 - 2 min.)

And since my original title for this thread was Alien Attack? Mass Hysteria? Conspiracy?, I really appreciate this one from the Reuters video: "The U.S. intelligence officials said the agencies even considered the possibility that extraterrestrials were responsible, but later ruled that out.
 
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The coverage seems to be worldwide:
Efterforskning: Havana-syndromet kan forklares med naturlige årsager (Berlingske, March 1, 2023)
USA: Ingen udenlandsk teknologi bag Havana-syndrom (DR.dk, March 1, 2023)
Efterforskning: Havana-syndromet kan forklares med naturlige årsager (Politiken, March 1, 2023)
Efterforskning: Havana-syndromet kan forklarets med naturlige årsager (AvisenDanmark, March 1, 2023)
The Danish media has tended to translate and reprint all the nonsense from the U.S. media about the syndrome. The CBS 60 Minutes report was very popular in my country!

German Tagesschau prefers to call it a mystery even now after it has been revealed that there's nothing mysterious about it:
Erkrankte US-Diplomaten: "Havanna-Syndrom" bleibt ein Rätsel (Tagesschau, March 1, 2023)

Die Welt claims that 'U.S. intelligence agencies find no cause for the 'syndrome', which shows that they either didn't read the report or don't understand it:US-Geheimdienste finden keine Ursache für 'Havanna-Syndrom' (Welt, March 1, 2023)

So far, I have seen nothing in the Cuban media, but in Cuba it's not exactly news that no U.S. diplomats or spies were attacked in Havana ...
 
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It shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody that guys like David Relman (see post 1,590 remain adamant that his insane ideas are valid. After all, he is responsible for wasting tons of money and other government resources while maintaining the idea of a microwave attack, i.e. he has contributed significantly to the very idea that makes the U.S. spies and diplomats in Havana think that their brains have been damaged by a 'malefactor' with a ray gun. That no sign has been found of an attack, a weapon or a perpetrator doesn't matter. To him it constitutes a "failure to identify a malefactor" because he needs that 'malefactor' to back of his idea that there is actual "plausibility of directed energy as a mechanism," which is no longer (and never really was) the case:

David Relman, who headed the National Academies investigation and co-chaired the intelligence community experts panel, and had not reviewed the final intelligence assessment, said the energy weapon hypothesis remains viable.
“There are multiple possible explanations for the apparent discrepancy between the failure to identify a malefactor and the plausibility of directed energy as a mechanism. One should not necessarily discount the latter,” Relman told The Post.
‘Havana syndrome’ not caused by energy weapon or foreign adversary, intelligence review finds (Washington Post, March 1, 2023)


The unscrupulous vanity of some researchers ...
The plausible explanation is that Relman himself is a malefactor in the case of the 'Havana Syndrome' and that he will remain a malefactor rather than help the victims of the 'syndrome' give up on the idea that makes them sick.
 
US intelligence community cannot link ‘Havana Syndrome’ cases to a foreign adversary (CNN, March 1, 2023)
Havana Syndrome unlikely to have hostile cause, US says (BBC, March 1, 2023)
'Havana syndrome' not caused by foreign adversary, US intelligence says (The Guardian, March 1, 2023)
‘Havana syndrome’ not caused by energy weapon or foreign adversary, intelligence review finds (Washington Post, March 1, 2023)
What's likely behind mysterious 'Havana syndrome' that plagued US diplomats (ABC News, March 2, 2023)
Intel Report Says 'Havana Syndrome' Isn't So Menacing after All (The Daily Beast, March 1, 2023)
US intelligence: 'Havana syndrome' not foreign foes' work (DW, March 2, 2023)

For some reason, CBS* doesn't seem to have much to say about this. But maybe they are busy preparing another episode of 60 Minutes about the 'syndrome' ...


*ETA: My bad! When I didn't find any articles from CBS, I switched my search term to Anomalous Health Incidents and immediately found this article:
U.S. intelligence review says "very unlikely" foreign adversary is behind "Havana Syndrome" (CBS News, March 1, 2023)
It has 'Havana Syndrome' in the title, so I don't know why it didn't give any results at first.
The CBS article has this:


The idea that it might have been the inadvertent result of a listening device gone bad also seems to have been dismissed:


It would be nice if this finally laid to rest the issue but we all know . . . .

:deadhorse
 
Indeed!
Marco Rubio, for instance, writes: Rubio rejects intelligence finding that ‘Havana syndrome’ not linked to foreign adversary (The Hill, March 2, 2023)

Yesterday, the Senate Intelligence Committee received the Intelligence Community’s Assessment on Anomalous Health Incidents (AHIs). Upon first glance, I am concerned that the Intelligence Community (IC) effectively concluded that U.S. personnel, who reported AHI symptoms, were simply experiencing symptoms caused by environmental factors, illness, or preexisting conditions and is potentially rushing to a conclusion while a substantial number of questions remain.
English/Español: Rubio Statement on Intelligence Community’s Assessment on Anomalous Health Incidents (March 2, 2023)


Rushing to a conclusion! Yeah, riiiiight!

Also: "It’s hard to accept it was caused by AC units and loud cicadas," Rubio wrote on Twitter. (National Review, March 2, 2023)
 
Mass Psychogenic Illness (MPI)

Most of the cases investigated appear to have different causes, from environmental factors to undiagnosed illnesses, said the officials, who say they have not found a single explanation for most or all of the reports.
Instead, officials say, there is evidence that foreign countries were not involved. In some cases, the U.S. detected among adversarial governments confusion about the allegations and suspicions that Havana syndrome was an American plot. And investigators found “no credible evidence” that any adversary had obtained a weapon that could cause the reported symptoms or a listening device that might inadvertently injure people.
Intel agencies: No sign adversaries behind 'Havana syndrome' (Washington Post, March 1, 2023)


Two weeks after the CIA interim report was released on Jan 20, 2023, David Relman's group insisted that there was a core group of two dozen people, mainly those who got the symptoms in Havana, who were legit cases of a directed microwave attack.

Investigators reviewed roughly 1,500 cases in 96 countries. Many of those cases, officials said, have been linked to other potential explanations aside from a foreign campaign: medical illnesses, malfunctioning air conditioning and ventilation systems, or electromagnetic waves coming from benign devices like a computer mouse. And some people may have come forward to report symptoms based on what they had heard about other cases or the exhaustive media reports about Havana Syndrome, officials said.

A core group of roughly two dozen cases identified in an interim assessment published last year has been exhaustively studied, officials said. None of the cases was linked to an attack by an adversary.

"Symptoms based on what they had heard about other cases or the exhaustive media reports."
In other words, mass psychogenic illness! And mass suggestion.

And of the "roughly two dozen cases": "None of the cases was linked to an attack by an adversary."
None!
In your face, David Relman!

Cuba's reaction to the 'news' in the same article:
Authorities in Havana said the findings reflect what Cuba has repeatedly stated: that no attacks occurred.
“We’re not surprised,” Johana Tablada, deputy director of the U.S. division of Cuba’s Foreign Ministry, told The Associated Press.
 
Psychiatrist.com

When you google the 'syndrome' right now, the story dominates the first 18 pages. Most of the links are to outlets that copy other sources. I opened this one exclusively because it was Psychiatrist.com and I was hoping to find out what the story looks like from the point of view of psychiatry, but the last paragraph leaves me wondering:

The report did not offer any alternative medical explanations for the sonic injuries, though a government commission concluded last year that the symptoms could not have been caused by stress or psychosomatic reactions. Although the government vowed to continue its investigation, for now, the exact origins of the illness remain unknown.
'Havana Syndrome' Not Caused by Energy Weapon or Foreign Agent, Report Says (Psychiatrist.com, March 2, 2023)


1. The report does offer "alternative medical explanations". It offers several. It just doesn't offer any explanation that encompasses each and every case. The reason why it doesn't is that there is no syndrome. All kinds of ailments and symptoms were ascribed to the 'syndrome', some of them real (but not caused by any kind of attack), some of them caused by fear of the imaginary attack.
2. There were no sonic injuries. None at all! The sonics were crickets, and the cricket sounds didn't damage anybody's brains. The fear of the sound of crickets damaged people's perception of reality.
3. The conclusion reached by the government commission, i.e. David Relman's group, last year was obviously wrong.
4. The origins of the 'illness' don't remain unknown. Even Marco Rubio seems to have understood this at long last. He just doesn't like what he has been told.
 
Google translate:
US Intelligence Agencies admit the improbability of sonic attacks against their diplomats
After abusing unfounded accusations to impose measures against the Island and generating a setback in bilateral relations, the US intelligence community finally admits that there was no attack against its diplomats in Cuba, or elsewhere
(...)
The diplomat recalled that this is "the same conclusion reached, after a rigorous investigation, by the team of Cuban experts, the FBI and scientists who made the Jason report," but added that "Nothing can repair the damage caused to Cuban families for the extreme measures taken on the basis of falsehoods."
Agencias de Inteligencia de EE. UU. admiten la improbabilidad de ataques sónicos contra sus diplomáticos (Granma.cu, March 2, 2023)


Google's translation isn't bad, but ...
The official document made public also reveals that a review of intelligence reports, open source information, and scientific and medical literature on aliens, weapons, and research programs, as well as data provided by scientists inside and outside the US government. In the US, they have led intelligence agencies to judge that there is no credible evidence that a foreign adversary has a weapon or device that causes the aforementioned symptoms.


The Spanish words are "literatura científica y médica sobre extranjeros". :sdl:
 
And from Prensa Latina:

Havana, Mar 2 (Prensa Latina) Cuban Foreign Minister Bruno Rodríguez denounced today that nothing can repair the damage caused to families in this country by the extreme measures taken by the United States based on falsehoods.
(...)
Seven intelligence agencies were involved in reviewing approximately 1,000 cases of “abnormal health incidents,” the term the US government uses to describe a range of physical symptoms that include ringing in the ears followed by pressure in the head and nausea, headaches and discomfort.
Five of these, he said, determined that it was “highly unlikely” that a foreign adversary was responsible for the symptoms, either as a result of intentional actions, such as a directed energy weapon, or as a byproduct of some other activity, including electronic surveillance.
The officials said they found no evidence, including forensic information or geolocation data, to suggest that an opposing country used a form of directed energy, such as radio waves or ultrasonic rays, he added.
The symptoms felt by US diplomats were first reported at the US embassy in Havana in 2016, and although similar incidents were later described in India, Russia, Vietnam and even in Washington, there were only reprisals against Cuba.
Cuba denounced damage caused by extreme US measures (PrensaLatina, March 2, 2023)
 
Mark Zaid has gone full conspiracy theory:
About to join @CNN to discuss Anomalous Health Incidents & latest USG efforts to pursue disinformation campaign & bury the truth.
Mark S. Zaid (on Twitter March 2, 2023)
The disinformation campaign attempting to bury the truth is what has been happening for the past six years, but it seems to have ended now.

He has even begun to retweet Marco Rubio:
The @CIA took the investigation of “Havana Syndrome” seriously
But when you read about the devastating injuries it’s hard to accept it was caused by AC units & loud cicadas
Something happened here & just because we don’t have all the answers doesn’t mean it didn’t happen
Marco Rubio (on Twitter, March 2, 2023)


It must feel strange for somebody who is so proud of a Jan 6 lawsuit against Trump that he has pinned his tweet about it:
NEWS ALERT:
We just filed new fed lawsuit against #Trump & two criminal defs for wrongful death of @CapitolPolice Ofc #BrianSicknick arising from #January6th insurrection/coup attempt. #Accountability
Our legal team is: @PhilAndonianEsq, @mattkaiser, @noahbrozinsky, @BradMossEsq
Mark S. Zaid (Pinned tweet from Jan 6, 2023)
 
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It would be nice if this finally laid to rest the issue but we all know . . . .

:deadhorse


This short podcast makes it clear that the 'syndrome' sufferers won't let anything be laid to rest:
The United States intelligence community is now ruling out foreign involvement when it comes with the cause of ‘Havana Syndrome’. Hundreds of former government employees experienced health issues from vertigo, nausea and even traumatic brain issues. FOX’s John Saucier speaks with Jennifer Griffin, FOX’s Chief National Security Correspondent, about the latest report on the incidents, reaction from it and her discussion with the first person to experience symptoms.
Evening Edition: Intelligence Report Says Foreign Adversaries Did Not Cause ‘Havana Syndrome’ (Fox News Podcast, March 2, 2023 - 15 min.)


They have talked to "a U.S. government worker," i.e. Patient Zero, here called 'Adam', but apparently the guy that Entous and Anderson called 'Tony'. He is very disappointed, thinks that the intelligence agencies are twisting the truth, and claims that China has bragged about having the weapon (maybe sold to them by Russia) and already having used it against India at the Indian border.

So in spite of the intelligence agency task force having spent two years on the report with all resources available, conducted a very serious investigation, gone from city to city, reconstructed cases on location, looked at thickness of walls etc., the 'syndrome' sufferers think that not enough has been done and that it has to be looked into it further.

It is also claimed that 'Adam' has very serious brain damage (he doesn't sound as if he does) and has had "blood coming out of his ears." (I don't remember hearing that one before.)

The journalist says that 'they have no motivation to make something like this up'.


Nothing in the story of the 'victims' sounds probable. The government appears to have attempted a 'soft landing', i.e. trying finally to end the whole thing while assuaging the anxiety of the 'syndrome' suffers by telling them that their symptoms are real, that they can keep their health benefits etc., but I don't think that this approach will be accepted by this group at all.
That some of them have already gone the way of Chuck in Better Call Saul makes it even less likely that they will be appeased.
And I guess that Polymeropoulos will continue to insist that he was attacked by rays in a Moscow hotel room and thus suffers from a "combat injury" ...
 
At last, Robert Bartholomew chips in agains

Long time, no see ... or hear. For the past two months, I have been hoping that Robert Baloh and/or Robert Bartholomew would say something about the two 'syndrome' podcasts, but now Bartholomew gets a chance to talk about the new intelligence report dismissing all speculations about the 'syndrome' being caused by a directed energy attack.
And in case, you're wondering: Yes, he does feel vindicated! :)
A short audio:

A new report from US intelligence agencies has found that a foreign adversary or adversaries were not responsible for health episodes - dubbed Havana Syndrome - at US embassies around the world.
GUEST: Dr Robert Bartholomew, medical sociologist, University of Auckland
Credits
Joe Sullivan, Producer
All in the mind: mystery 'Havana Syndrome' declared not an attack (ABCnet.au, March 2, 2023 - 6:40 min.)
 
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This short video (+ transcript!) is interesting for a couple of reasons:

It is a mystery that has challenged the U.S.’s intelligence community for years. The unexplained illness known as Havana Syndrome, named after the city where diplomats and intelligence officials first suffered from dizziness, cognitive difficulties and even memory loss. Wednesday, the intelligence community assessed it was likely not the work of a foreign adversary. Nick Schifrin reports.
‘Very unlikely’ foreign adversary caused Havana Syndrome, U.S. intelligence says (PBS Newshour, March 1, 2023 - 6:20)


It is quite good as a very short video summarizing the new report and its implications. For instance here about the alleged weapons:
As for the weapon, previous assessments that the intelligence community has considered said that directed energy might have caused these symptoms. The intelligence official told us — quote — "Those were all washed out." There was no evidence, this official said, that any adversary overcame some of the challenges to create some kind of microwave, for example, that would have, this official said, had to have gone through concrete or had line of sight to some of these victims.


This has been obvious almost since the beginning. Remember the story about a whole family having been 'attacked': the parents in the bedroom and the two kids in their beds, the father noticing a sound like rushing water when he bends over the beds of his sons. Their apartment or hotel suite would have had to be surrounded by ray-gun shooters, all targeting individual members of the family, which would have required that they either "had line of sight" to each individual or that their rooms came pre-equipped with concealed directed microwave ray guns pointed at the head ends of all the beds.

However, one head of an expert panel disagrees, and it's not a big surprise who that head is:
But I just spoke with the head of the intelligence community experts panel, David Relman, and he disagreed. He said that the panel found that a device could have been portable, concealable, and there could have been more than one mechanism used.
And he said, look, the U.S. simply doesn't know enough about directed energy to know for certain whether it could have been used or not in this case.


It is clear that Relman is aware that no such weapon exists, i.e. one that could target several 'victims' simultaneously. It is also clear that he knows that no such weapon has ever been found, but instead of acknowledging that this makes it very unlikely that any attack ever took place, he starts fabulating: It wasn't found because it was concealable. It wasn't found later because it was portable, and when it is obvious that no such weapon could have targeted four members of a family at the same time, then it was because "more than one mechanism [was] used."

David Relman is flailing about because he doesn't want to give up his minority opinion based on nothing but his own bias. Do you remember this from his preface to the NAS report?
The committee is left with a number of concerns. First, even though it was not in a position to assess or comment on how these DOS cases arose, such as a possible source of directed, pulsed RF energy and the exact circumstances of the putative exposures, the mere consideration of such a scenario raises grave concerns about a world with disinhibited malevolent actors and new tools for causing harm to others, as if the U.S. government does not have its hands full already with naturally occurring threats.
An Assessment of Illness in U.S. Government Employees and Their Families at Overseas Embassies (NASEM)


David Relman is nothing but a paranoid nationalist, scaring himself and others with the delusions he comes up with when he imagines what kind of enemies may be out there threatening the USA.
(By the way, this just occurred to me: I didn't notice it when I first looked at the NAS report when it was published: Why the **** does the preface end with references to these two Relman papers from 2002 about Surveillance for unexplained deaths and critical illnesses due to possibly infectious causes, United States, 1995-1998 and Broad-range bacterial detection and the analysis of unexplained death and critical illness. Why does he refer to those papers? They have nothing whatsoever to do with "directed, pulsed RF energy" or the "putative exposures" to it. I don't know if the purpose of the references is to prove that he is an expert in something, but that something has got nothing to do with microwaves, or if he is just fond of throwing around references to his work.
The papers show that Relman might be good to have around if somebody has died and it's important of find out if the death might be due to a bacterial infection. If you suspect that you may have been hit by a zap gun, it is obvious that Davis Relman is not the guy to go to. Go see him if you have a sore throat and don't know if it's due to a virus or strep!)

As for Relman's idea that "the U.S. simply doesn't know enough about directed energy to know for certain whether it could have been used or not in this case." I love it when these advocates of the attack delusion contradict each other, and here's lawyer Mark Zaid in the same short video contradicting Relman:
There is absolutely no doubt that our foreign adversaries are very capable of doing this. In fact, the technology, frankly, was created by the United States, for the most, part back five, six decades ago.


I have objections to a couple of points made by the video, and I have seen other news outlets make the same mistakes:
Geoff Bennett:
Wow.
So, if we're to take this assessment at face value, if not a foreign adversary with a weapon, what then explains the symptoms that these people have come forward with, 1,500 reports across 96 countries?
Nick Schifrin:
Yes, it's a great question, for which the intelligence community does not have a great answer.


He goes on to say that "the officials who we spoke to briefed on a couple of possibilities for what the victims suffered from." But the officials actually mentioned a couple of the things that had caused some of the different ailments: environmental circumstances like a malfunctioning air conditioner, preexisting medical conditions, conventional illness and media attention. They are not possibilities, they are actual causes.

It think the problem is that all of these different ailments have been jumbled into one category, 'Havana Syndrome', and now the media is looking for only one explanation for these very different illnesses with very different symptoms and causes. And the attack idiots deliver: No matter what the symptoms are, the cause is directed microwaves! (We are familiar with this strategy from quacks!)

The team of intelligence agencies have now done a proper job of investigating the various cases and come up with the answer, at long last: It's no only a bit more complicated. Not only is it more than one disease, but it definitely isn't the one all encompassing disease that it was supposed to be!
In the meantime, all the 'syndrome' sufferers with their diverse symptoms insist that one thing, one thing only, caused those diverse symptoms: a microwave attack.

Another problem: It is obvious that the 'victims' don't understand what the authorities are saying, but as it turns out the media also doesn't understand it:

Ned Price, State Department Spokesman:
The findings that the intelligence community has spoken to today in no way call into question the experiences, the symptoms that our colleagues and their family members have reported in recent years.


This needs to be explained much better than it's being done right now: What exactly does it mean when they say that the experiences and the symptoms are real? (or 'in no way called into question'.) The 'syndrome' sufferers hear this as: 'I know that I am a victim of a microwave attack. That's what I experienced. And now the authorities are telling me that what I experienced was real, that my symptoms are real, and yet they claim that there is no microwave weapon and no attacker. What is that supposed to mean? How does it not mean that I'm plain old crazy?'

It needs to be spelled out what mass psychogenic illness is. To the 'syndrome' sufferers as well as to the media.

And then there's the outright lie being spread by both the 'victims' and the media: that there was no coordination:

But that has not ameliorated what the victims felt. I talked to multiple former officials today who made the same point; 26 Americans and Canadians in Havana at the same time felt symptoms, and there were no preexisting medical conditions among them, nor was there coordination between them when they suffered, these victims.


This appears to have become the major argument against it being a case of mass psychogenic illness, but thanks to the two recent podcasts we know that it isn't true. Most or maybe almost all of the 26 cases may have had headaches, dizziness and nausea at the same time. It wouldn't be surprising. We have all had a couple of those symptoms from time to time, especially when we are under a lot of stress. But the symptoms that became known as the 'Havana Syndrome' didn't get a common denominator, a frame of reference shared by the U.S. embassy employees in Havana, until Patient Zero ('Adam', 'Tony', whatever) played his cricket recordings at the embassy's New Year's Eve party on Dec 31, 2016, telling people that it was a sonic attack and which symptoms to look out for. That is all the coordination required to set it off.

All the coordination it took was to combine this story with the symptoms that they had already had (or would have the next morning). That's what mass psychogenic illness is.
 
A new article in Washington Post makes a big deal out of two Conflicting reports:

Sounds thorough, but, as Shane and John noted in their must-read piece, it’s also at odds with two other reviews of “Havana Syndrome.”
An independent panel assembled by the intelligence community said just last year that some foreign actor could have developed “pulsed electromagnetic energy that made people sick.”
And in 2020, the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine concluded “directed, pulsed radio frequency energy appears to be the most plausible mechanism in explaining these cases.”
Is ‘Havana Syndrome’ settled now? White House won’t say (WP, March 2, 2023)


No reason to mention who headed the groups behind the two conflicting reports, I guess.
 

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