Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

ponderingturtle said:
With out that it seems hard to grasp what the supposed problem here is. Either showing around naked pictures with out permission is a problematic behavior or it isn't.
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The problem is the refusal to state just who is supposedly supporting the idea of revenge porn when this story had nothing to do with revenge porn. Yes, showing around naked pictures without consent is problematic.

People are not being at all clear on what the supposed bad thing that happened here was other than his behavior.
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Uh, the 20 or so other guys who were falsely accused. Remember the list on the bathroom wall when this whole incident snowballed into a massive gong show?

And if intoxication is relevant why bring it up at all, what next bring up the lighting quality?
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Intoxication impairs one's judgement which was no doubt a factor in this guy's decision to betray his then girlfriend's confidence. I'm unaware of lighting conditions having the same effect.
 
Stout said:
The problem is the refusal to state just who is supposedly supporting the idea of revenge porn when this story had nothing to do with revenge porn. Yes, showing around naked pictures without consent is problematic.



Uh, the 20 or so other guys who were falsely accused. Remember the list on the bathroom wall when this whole incident snowballed into a massive gong show?



Intoxication impairs one's judgement which was no doubt a factor in this guy's decision to betray his then girlfriend's confidence. I'm unaware of lighting conditions having the same effect.
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So what? Either you are arguing that being drunk diminishes his culpability or it is irrelevant. Which is it?
 
ponderingturtle said:
So what? Either you are arguing that being drunk diminishes his culpability or it is irrelevant. Which is it?
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No I'm not, being drunk was a statement of fact that may have influenced his decision to show the pictures. Good try though.

We'll just go with nobody is supporting revenge porn and put that statement down to being a falsehood, possibly made using impaired judgement and write it off as just another mean and nasty thing said on the Internet then.
 
It's entirely possible to believe an act was wrong or even criminal and also hold that the response was disproportionate. One does not have to he 'ok' with anything and still be consistent in arguing against a certain 'punishment' (or outcome, not all the things described here were undertake to punish).
 
d4m10n said:
Have you ever seen any?
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Not enough to constitute a "culture", and not very many good examples in this thread, starting with the disastrously bad first one in the OP and this most recent one.

But hey while I have you, as someone who defined "cancel culture" as "the popular practice of withdrawing support for (canceling) public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive. Cancel culture is generally discussed as being performed on social media in the form of group shaming", can you please explain how the Hamline incident serves as an example?
 
Graham2001 said:
The New York Times (Not the New York Post) has produced a second article on the Hamline Affair in which a (non-tenured) teacher was essentially fired after showing an image of Mohammed, that she had prepared for in advance by warning students about it three times (Once in the course syllabus, once the day before the lesson in question and finally two minutes before the image was shown.) an act which the 'Associate Vice-President of Inclusive Excellence' proclaimed to be:





Source: https://www.twincities.com/2023/01/...over-dismissal-amid-islamophobia-controversy/


From the latest reports, the teacher has sued, and it seems that Hamline may be reconsidering their position.





https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/us/hamline-lawsuit-prophet-muhammad-religion.html
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Cool. How is any of this "cancel culture"?
 
Stout said:
No I'm not, being drunk was a statement of fact that may have influenced his decision to show the pictures. Good try though.

We'll just go with nobody is supporting revenge porn and put that statement down to being a falsehood, possibly made using impaired judgement and write it off as just another mean and nasty thing said on the Internet then.
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I like how you're castigating other posters for alleged falsehoods while simultaneously accepting at face value a dubious story that offers exactly zero substantiation for any of its claims. Skepticism at its finest. :thumbsup:
 
johnny karate said:
I like how you're castigating other posters for alleged falsehoods while simultaneously accepting at face value a dubious story that offers exactly zero substantiation for any of its claims. Skepticism at its finest. :thumbsup:
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Oh come on, it fits his biases! And good skeptics accept dubious stories if they fit our culture war needs!
 
johnny karate said:
I like how you're castigating other posters for alleged falsehoods while simultaneously accepting at face value a dubious story that offers exactly zero substantiation for any of its claims. Skepticism at its finest. :thumbsup:
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Oh so it's a "dubious" story is it? Well then we'll just sit back and wait for all the witness and participant retractions and clarifications as well as the lawsuits to get filed like happened with A Rape on Campus.

I take it you didn't like the story.
 
Shalamar said:
It can only be Cancel Culture when Liberals do it, otherwise it's merely sparkling free speech.
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Well then post some conservative examples of cancel culture then, they should be easy to find. Something, anything but this whiny liberal shtick.
 
Stout said:
Well then post some conservative examples of cancel culture then, they should be easy to find. Something, anything but this whiny liberal shtick.
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<temples fingers> Yeeeessss, excellent! Why, Smithers, just because I've failed to convince anyone that cancel culture is big and scary doesn't mean anything! Watch me challenge the guy mocking me over it to provide better examples! That way I win either way. He will support the point I can't support, or he will stop pointing out how badly I'm failing to support my claim! Ha ha, old fellow, I've got him now! <capers about in glee>
 
Stout said:
Oh so it's a "dubious" story is it? Well then we'll just sit back and wait for all the witness and participant retractions and clarifications as well as the lawsuits to get filed like happened with A Rape on Campus.

I take it you didn't like the story.
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Ah, so it's true until someone proves it's not. Just really excellent, top-notch skepticism.
 
Stout said:
Well then post some conservative examples of cancel culture then, they should be easy to find. Something, anything but this whiny liberal shtick.
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Does this count?

I know it's not as sexy as a sub-par actress getting fired from a Star Wars show or some "cancel culture" fanfic being passed off as journalism, but it seems to me that government officials passing punitive laws that violate the First Amendment might also be important.
 
Shalamar said:
It can only be Cancel Culture when Liberals do it, otherwise it's merely sparkling free speech.
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This is such a weird trope. Numerous examples of conservative cancel culture have already been provided upthread, including people cancelled for pro-Palestinian and anti-war viewpoints.

ETA: Off the top of my head, conservatives have called for sanctions against Kathy Griffin, Cardi B, The Dixie Chicks, Taylor Swift, Janet Jackson, Madonna, basically any woman with a platform who speaks out against conservative values. Also Colin Kaepernick, Muhammad Ali, and every other black athlete who dared to speak out against conservative values.
 
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johnny karate said:
Does this count?

I know it's not as sexy as a sub-par actress getting fired from a Star Wars show or some "cancel culture" fanfic being passed off as journalism, but it seems to me that government officials passing punitive laws that violate the First Amendment might also be important.
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No, not cancel culture. A foolish and overly broad law that may violate the first amendment. It might not on account of it applying to government run schools. As it applies to all government schools in Florida its even less clear. If it were only applied to K-12, it would probably be legal as there's basically no such thing as academic freedom for primary and secondary schools. Less clear when it comes to colleges and universities.

Regardless, no person was singled out for abuse in this case, so I would say it doesn't really fall under the category of cancel culture. Just bad law.

That's basically what you get when you have an education monopoly, the organization that runs the monopoly gets to make the rules.
 
ahhell said:
No, not cancel culture. A foolish and overly broad law that may violate the first amendment. It might not on account of it applying to government run schools. As it applies to all government schools in Florida its even less clear. If it were only applied to K-12, it would probably be legal as there's basically no such thing as academic freedom for primary and secondary schools. Less clear when it comes to colleges and universities.

Regardless, no person was singled out for abuse in this case, so I would say it doesn't really fall under the category of cancel culture. Just bad law.

That's basically what you get when you have an education monopoly, the organization that runs the monopoly gets to make the rules.
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We are currently lamenting the firing of one teacher in this thread as "cancel culture" but codifying that exact same situation into law so that every teacher in the state of Florida is under threat of termination somehow isn't "cancel culture". Weird take.
 
wareyin said:
<temples fingers> Yeeeessss, excellent! Why, Smithers, just because I've failed to convince anyone that cancel culture is big and scary doesn't mean anything! Watch me challenge the guy mocking me over it to provide better examples! That way I win either way. He will support the point I can't support, or he will stop pointing out how badly I'm failing to support my claim! Ha ha, old fellow, I've got him now! <capers about in glee>
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What? Hang on, I've got to go get the stoner guy next door to translate that for me,BRB.

OK, nobody is saying cancel culture is some big scary thing that's going to bring about the collapse of society and if somebody somewhere is, then they aren't posting on this thread.

Maybe you've missed the conservative examples of cancel culture or maybe those examples haven't really been cancel culture. Maybe they've been off topic government censorship issues like book bannings or companies, like Seuss, discontinuing a product.

It can't be all that hard to find mobs of conservatives trying to get people fired, can it?
 
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