Jordan Peterson Event Report

[arthwollipot]

Peterson just posted a happy snap with right wing conservative ex-Prime Minister Scott Morrison, who led the government so badly that we kicked him out in a landslide at the last election.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Peterson just posted a happy snap with right wing conservative ex-Prime Minister Scott Morrison, who led the government so badly that we kicked him out in a landslide at the last election.

You can tell a man by the company he keeps.

Applies to both of them.

 

[a_unique_person]

True.



I see Peterson is on Ancient Apocalypse with Graham Hancock, that's about his level.

Thanks for introducing me to that rabbit hole.

From The Guardian

"They’re drawn to Ancient Apocalypse, thanks in part to Hancock’s loud and persistent claims that his life’s work is being suppressed by Big Archaeology."

 

[catsmate]

A view I would prefer to be in the sun light.

What "view"? That you and Peterson better understand the case of elective surgery being carried out on a consenting patient that anyone actually involved?

In every sense more worthy of analysis than election result denial or an innocent man should be executed where due process is sound.

What is this drivel supposed to mean?

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

True.

I see Peterson is on Ancient Apocalypse with Graham Hancock, that's about his level.

I remember going into a branch of Easons a few years ago, and finding a Hancock book in the history section. Asked the staff why it wasn't in the fantasy section with the rest of the obvious fiction.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Huh. I had no idea.



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Makes sense he's speaking to the ousted right-wing Coalition and the openly racist One Nation.

I assume that the last one is Pauline Hanson's One Person party, right?

 

[Samson]

What "view"? That you and Peterson better understand the case of elective surgery being carried out on a consenting patient that anyone actually involved?


What is this drivel supposed to mean?

There is a swathe of harm done by American surgeons which is driven by profit, greed, and they are fast becoming international outliers with the fast changing mood in the UK.
Maybe Peterson is correct to use emotive language to alert people to the danger posed their own sons and daughters.

The analogy I tried for was to suggest Scalia was a far more dangerous man than Peterson yet immune to sanction.

Maybe Peterson is simply reminding of the common sense in

"First do no harm."

 

[Norman Alexander]

There is a swathe of harm done by American surgeons which is driven by profit, greed, and they are fast becoming international outliers with the fast changing mood in the UK.
Maybe Peterson is correct to use emotive language to alert people to the danger posed their own sons and daughters.

The analogy I tried for was to suggest Scalia was a far more dangerous man than Peterson yet immune to sanction.

Maybe Peteron is simply reminding of the common sense in

"First do no harm."

You seem to be assuming that if one or two plastic surgeons do a few bad boob or tummy-tuck jobs then EVERY plastic surgeon is a groomer and mutilator of children. That would be quite a leap!

 

[arthwollipot]

I assume that the last one is Pauline Hanson's One Person party, right?

Indeed, though they actually have two currently sitting senators - Pauline Hanson and Malcolm Roberts. As Norman said, the company you keep.

 

[arthwollipot]

While checking in on Scott Morrison’s Facebook to see his statement regarding the Bell inquiry I noticed he’d posted a selfie with Jordan Peterson last night, saying he’d enjoyed meeting up and “having a chat” with him.

“He makes a lot of sense,” Morrison added.

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If Scotty from Marketing says you make a lot of sense, you really want to take a hard look at what you're saying.

 

[Norman Alexander]

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If Scotty from Marketing says you make a lot of sense, you really want to take a hard look at what you're saying.

True dat!

 

[catsmate]

There is a swathe of harm done by American surgeons which is driven by profit, greed, and they are fast becoming international outliers with the fast changing mood in the UK.

Like medically unnecessary circumcision?

Maybe Peterson is correct to use emotive language to alert people to the danger posed their own sons and daughters.

Or maybe he is merely, as usual, spouting emotive lies to get his fans agitated.

Maybe Peterson is simply reminding of the common sense in

"First do no harm."

Perhaps Peterson should shut up and drop causing harm them?

 

[Samson]

Circumcision was a custom before civil engineering.
I have a simple view that elective surgery should save lives and mobility and little else.
Peterson might agree, I plan to check his body of work on the subject because I like the way he seems to view data as queen.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Circumcision was a custom before civil engineering.
I have a simple view that elective surgery should save lives and mobility and little else.
Peterson might agree, I plan to check his body of work on the subject because I like the way he seems to view data as queen.

I suspect you don't understand what "elective" means here.

Highlighted is probably not elective at all but often an emergency.

Elective surgery means it can wait until medical resources are available, e.g. boob jobs and butt lifts.

The problem is deciding what is critically necessary and what is not, and who gets to decide that. Setting priorities. And it is not as simple as "elective or not". There are degrees of necessity, especially to do with timing. For example, a kidney transplant in some medical jurisdictions is considered elective. The patient can supposedly live for some time without it or use dialysis, while they find a donor kidney. Other patients may be rated more urgent than others. So it is not an emergency, ergo "elective". But I'm pretty sure such patients don't see that predicament as being anywhere near the same class as an elective butt-lift. The situation is very important for them, and the medical procedure gets more and more urgent over time.

 

[Warp12]

What "view"? That you and Peterson better understand the case of elective surgery being carried out on a consenting patient that anyone actually involved?

I suspect you don't understand what "elective" means here.

Highlighted is probably not elective at all but often an emergency.

Elective surgery means it can wait until medical resources are available, e.g. boob jobs and butt lifts.

The problem is deciding what is critically necessary and what is not, and who gets to decide that. Setting priorities. And it is not as simple as "elective or not". There are degrees of necessity, especially to do with timing. For example, a new kidney in some medical jurisdictions is considered elective. The patient can supposedly live for some time without it or use dialysis, while they find a donor kidney. So it is not an emergency, ergo "elective". But I'm pretty sure such patients don't see that predicament as being anywhere near the same class as an elective butt-lift. The situation is very important for them, and the medical procedure gets more and more urgent over time.

Back to Peterson, as related to elective/cosmetic surgery...

I think Peterson likely gets the idea that saying "I want bigger boobs to look more attractive" is a lot different than saying "I want you to lop my penis off so I can be a girl". I think that is why he is judgemental of say, the surgeon who mutilated Ellen Page (as was discussed earlier). Of course some would say that what the surgeon did was wonderful for her...and helped her transition to the man she wished to be. To each their own, I suppose....but I get his reasoning.

 

[Samson]

I think Peterson likely gets the idea that saying "I want bigger boobs to look more attractive" is a lot different than saying "I want you to lop my penis off so I can be a girl". I think that is why he is judgemental of say, the surgeon who mutilated Ellen Page. Of course some would say that what the surgeon did was wonderful for her...and helped her transition to the man she wished to be.

Mutilated is the correct word in my world view.

 

[Robin]

Is.there anything at all that Jordan Peterson had said that isn't codswallop?

 

[Robin]

Back to Peterson, as related to elective/cosmetic surgery...

I think Peterson likely gets the idea that saying "I want bigger boobs to look more attractive" is a lot different than saying "I want you to lop my penis off so I can be a girl". I think that is why he is judgemental of say, the surgeon who mutilated Ellen Page (as was discussed earlier). Of course some would say that what the surgeon did was wonderful for her...and helped her transition to the man she wished to be. To each their own, I suppose....but I get his reasoning.

The fact that you are having to guess what he means suggests that he did not supply reasoning.

I have been saying since the early eighties that I doubt that surgery is really the best option for trans gender people.

All that time I have been able to state my position clearly and unemotionally, supply clear reasoning for my position and accept the possibility that I may be wrong.

Peterson appears to be incapable of any of those things.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

Is.there anything at all that Jordan Peterson had said that isn't codswallop?

Not since he got famous.

 

[catsmate]

Circumcision was a custom before civil engineering.

So was slavery. By your "logic" that's acceptable too?

I have a simple view that elective surgery should save lives and mobility and little else.

So no cosmetic surgery or pain reduction or quality of life procedures?

Peterson might agree, I plan to check his body of work on the subject because I like the way he seems to view data as queen.

So you don't even bother to understand what Peterson actually says?