Electric universe theories here.

[steenkh]

It is really a laugh that it is so difficult to make him state what his own theory is.

 

[Steve]

It is really a laugh that it is so difficult to make him state what his own theory is.

No theory required. As long as an encounter with Big Billy Goat Gruff can be avoided the lair beneath the viaduct will remain secure.

 

[lauwenmark]

It is really a laugh that it is so difficult to make him state what his own theory is.

Very likely because his 'theory' is nothing more than a long collection of cases where 'mainstream' science fails to provide a perfectly accurate explanation, surrounded by some technobabble and a few "ELECTRIC UNIVERSE!!!" shouting.

It isn't really that he doesn't want to answer, it's simply that he cannot.

 

[Ziggurat]

Very likely because his 'theory' is nothing more than a long collection of cases where 'mainstream' science fails to provide a perfectly accurate explanation, surrounded by some technobabble and a few "ELECTRIC UNIVERSE!!!" shouting.

It isn't really that he doesn't want to answer, it's simply that he cannot.

At this point, I doubt he would even know what an answer looks like.

 

[lauwenmark]

At this point, I doubt he would even know what an answer looks like.

My bet is that his next "answer" will consist in a batch of posts that:

- Swipe those comments aside, with a few "champs", "dudes", or that awful laughing dog picture;
- A "now let's get back on serious business" kind of comment, asking an unrelated question to tusenfem;
- A few random quotes from a few randomly chosen papers that include keywords like 'plasma' or 'electric discharge' in their abstract;
- Keywords he perceives as decisive, hammered in all-caps: ELECTRIC UNIVERSE, PLASMA, GAS and a few similar ones;
-The word 'mainstream' being repeated ad nauseam.

 

[Sol88]

Look sport, I’m not sure you can quite put the right shapes in the right holes. Let me help.

Electric Universe Link

Galaxies created from galactic‐scale field‐aligned Birkeland currents
In contrast, there is a coherent theory of how galaxies are created in the Electric Plasma Universe, thanks largely to American plasma and nuclear physicist Anthony Peratt at Los Alamos National Laboratory Santa Fe in New Mexico, who carried out laboratory experiments and computer simulations beginning in the late 1980s [4, 5].

Mainstream, peer reviewed link

6.1. Towards a Working Model of AGN Jets

Relativistic jets are the conduits that connect supermassive, spinning black holes and their attendant disks to their host galaxies and the universe beyond. They were once seen as ex- hausts that, like their automotive counterparts, remove excess heat from powerful machines. However, the observations that we have reviewed suggest a rather different metaphor.

Black holes are turbines that are spun up by orbiting gas to generate high voltage electrical power and AGN jets are lossy and glowing, coaxial cables that ultimately heat their surroundings. This change of viewpoint is one that is supported by observations of selected local AGN, from which we tentatively generalize to AGN in general.

However it is not secure.

Nonetheless, this sketch does suggest causal and testable mechanisms through which the type of AGN that is produced is determined by the black hole mass, spin, gas supply rate, and the strength of the magnetic field, which, in turn may depend upon the manner by which gas is supplied to the nucleus at Rinf . In particular, it appears that only powerful jets, can escape the nucleus as supersonic, relativistic flows. It also indicates that AGN jets can accelerate protons to EeV energy and that they could be significant sources of high energy cosmic rays.

This further allows jet γ-ray emission to be mostly synchrotron instead of Compton radiation. In toto, AGN contribute to and are constrained by the γ-ray background (Di Mauro et. al. 2018).

Understanding the content, power, electrical current and duty cycles of AGN jets will help quantify their role in galaxy formation and evolution.

So both mob think electrcurrents have a role to play in cosmology.

You have to stop thinking plasma is a gas, it’s not sorry and it led you into the middle of the paddock.

 

[Sol88]

Ziggurat, do you think galactic‐scale field‐aligned Birkeland currents are possible?

Any role for an electric current in galaxy formation and evolution according to the mainstream paper by Blandford et al?

 

[Sol88]

No theory required. As long as an encounter with Big Billy Goat Gruff can be avoided the lair beneath the viaduct will remain secure.

The Electric Universe

Give that a quick flick thru, see if you can use that immense brain of your to see if any “issues” that arise in this paper my be better understood if they read the above paper.

For you to recognise plasma is not a gas is a start.

 

[Sol88]

No, I said: The accretion disk is hot and turbulent and contains plasma, and through the turbulent motion magnetic fields are generated



I am not here for your bedtime stories, ask your mum to read you to sleep.



Why would I need an electric field?

Are you saying the mixing of plasma would not creat an electric field?

We are only just clearing up the gas is not plasma thing, though I still see you use plasma/gas.

Not much in the way of anything neutral in space plasma’s, including dust.

Something about amperes law or some such you’ve blabbed about before, would this give rise to electric fields in a turbulent mixing plasma?

Would the same happen for a turbulent mixing of GAS?

 

[Sol88]

An Electric Universe View of Stellar and Galactic Formation Don Scott

Thus, a Birkeland current performs a scavenging effect, gath- ering and concentrating whatever (neutral or ionized) elements it passes near.

The result is analogous to a cosmic coaxial cable transmission line.

Blandford uses a metaphor instead of an analogy but Scott and Blandford agree.

Black holes are turbines that are spun up by orbiting gas to generate high voltage electrical power and AGN jets are lossy and glowing, coaxial cables that ultimately heat their surroundings. This change of viewpoint is one that is supported by observations of selected local AGN, from which we tentatively generalize to AGN in general.

Can’t both be wrong, so who’s correct on the assumption of coaxial cables?

 

[steenkh]

Since you insist that plasma is not a gas, you could perhaps enlighten us with your definition of a gas?

 

[Sol88]

Played this game champ!

I can’t help it if you’ve used incorrect assumption, like tusenfem plasma/gas and mainstreams general interchangeable use of a term that means two COMPLETELY different states of matter.

Gas can’t be doing the following...from wiki

The presence of charged particles makes plasma electrically conductive, with the dynamics of individual particles and macroscopic plasma motion governed by collective electromagnetic fields and very sensitive to externally applied fields.[7]

plasma can and we are talking plasma.

Unless like to delve into the world of one of favourite subjects...DUSTY PLASMA and DOUBLE LAYERS (plasma)?

With my hand over my heart say that GAS anything in a charged environment is probably not doing a whole heap.

What’s your fascination with space gas steenkh?

Looks like you’ve nailed gas maths down here on the surface of the Earth, putty it falls over in space plasma’s and the actual computation needed can not yet be done.

This is what I’ve picked up.


Plasma simple from a conceptual point of view shocking difficult for the mathamagicians of the mainstream.

 

[Sol88]

My bad, Astrophysical plasmaa

Possible related phenomena[edit]
Scientists are interested in active galactic nuclei because such astrophysical plasmas could be directly related to the plasmas studied in laboratories.[13] Many of these phenomena seemingly exhibit an array of complex magnetohydrodynamic behaviors, such as turbulence and instabilities.[2] Although these phenomena may occur on astronomical scales as large as the galactic core, many astrophysicists suggest that they do not significantly involve plasma effects but are caused by matter consumed by super massive black holes.[citation needed]

In Big Bang cosmology, the entire universe was in a plasma state prior to recombination.[14] Afterwards, much of the universe reionized after the first quasars formed.[citation needed]

Studying astrophysical plasmas is part of mainstream academic astrophysics. Though plasma processes are part of the standard cosmological model, current theories indicate that they might have only a minor role to play in forming the very largest structures, such as voids, galaxy clusters and superclusters.[citation needed]

Seems the paper by Blandford et al my instigate a change to this wiki page.

6.1. Towards a Working Model of AGN Jets
Relativistic jets are the conduits that connect supermassive, spinning black holes and their attendant disks to their host galaxies and the universe beyond. They were once seen as ex- hausts that, like their automotive counterparts, remove excess heat from powerful machines. However, the observations that we have reviewed suggest a rather different metaphor. Black holes are turbines that are spun up by orbiting gas to generate high voltage electrical power and AGN jets are lossy and glowing, coaxial cables that ultimately heat their surroundings. This change of viewpoint is one that is supported by observations of selected local AGN, from which we tentatively generalize to AGN in general.

Further

Jets can have a major influence on their environments, stimulating and limiting the growth of galaxies.

And steenkh is trying to find out what a gas is....

 

[Sol88]

Touch more digg’n and I think I’ve found your error steenkh.

Astrophysical fluid dynamics wiki

Astrophysical fluid dynamics is a modern branch of astronomy involving fluid mechanics which deals with the motion of fluids, like the gases which the stars are made up of, or any fluid which is found in outer space.[1]

The subject covers the fundamentals of mechanics of fluids using various equations, ranging from the continuity equation, Navier-Stokes to Euler's equations of collisional fluids and the like.[2] It is an extensive study of the physical realms of the astral bodies and their movements in space. A thorough understanding of this subject requires detailed knowledge of the equations governing fluid mechanics.[3] Most of the applications of astrophysical fluid dynamics include dynamics of stellar systems, accretion disks, Astrophysical jets,[4] Newtonian fluids, and the fluid dynamics of galaxies.

Stars

A star is an astronomical object comprising a luminous spheroid of plasma held together by its gravity.

wiki


Gas or plasma steenkh?

 

[Sol88]

Your dogma is so full of inconsistency it’s embarrassing you have to go to university to learn rubbish.

I feel sorry for some.

 

[Steve]

Your dogma is so full of inconsistency it’s embarrassing you have to go to university to learn rubbish.

I feel sorry for some.

Says the poster who has proved totally incapable of providing a consistent theory of an electric universe

 

[steenkh]

Three posts, many quotes, and not a single one supporting your belief that plasma is not a gas …

And you think you are playing this “game” well?

Instead of concentrating on what a plasma is, you should settle on what a gas is, and point out what a plasma can that a gas cannot.

 

[Sol88]

Instead of concentrating on what a plasma is, you should settle on what a gas is.

GAS, you’re breathing it!

 

[steenkh]

Instead of concentrating on what a plasma is, you should settle on what a gas is.

GAS, you’re breathing it!

Was that supposed to be a witty reply? You certainly didn’t define what a gas is.

 

[Sol88]

Was that supposed to be a witty reply? You certainly didn’t define what a gas is.

Astrophysical fluid dynamics is a modern branch of astronomy involving fluid mechanics which deals with the motion of fluids, like the gases which the stars are made up of, or any fluid which is found in outer space.[1]

Now that’s a witty reply.

Plasma is a fluid in your definition, so...