DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt

[sackett]

#RecoveringYuppy: Let me edit a tiny bit:

"Just because you're stupid doesn't mean everything's stupid."

Goddamn! I'm stealing that 'un!

RY, let me add that you are a terrible, awful, dreadfully mean person. Don't ever change.

 

[Foster Zygote]

It is a suck ass law.

Only to suck-ass people whose first question upon hearing about asylum-seeking refugees fleeing from starvation, economic collapse and government hit squads is, "what color is their skin".

Any reasonable person can see this.

Well poisoning fallacy. I'm getting close to BINGO now.

If anything, I'm surprised libs aren't up-in-arms about the massive amount of people being deported for the same crime of crossing illegally (some are, no doubt). It is a law that is unequally enforced, based upon country of origin.

Yeah, because not all countries are the same. If someone were to illegally sneak in from Norway or Canada, I say send him back and tell him to apply for a visa. But people are fleeing Venezuela because things have gotten really, really bad there. People are making dangerous journeys seeking asylum, often with their young children, because they're sure that staying home is far more dangerous. That's why the laws have been amended so that people from Venezuela can turn themselves in to U.S. authorities and legally begin the asylum application process.

"We made murder legal for Hatians. All others face the death penalty".

Seriously, Warp, what the **** are you doing? What the **** does that even mean? That's one of the ********* attempts at an argument I've ever seen. How the **** do you compare, "making an exception allowing people from a dystopian nightmare country, where they face a high probability of being murdered, to apply for legal asylum", with, "making it legal for Haitians to commit murder"? You're making a ridiculous parody of your own arguments.

These stupid immigration policies need to be changed, and I hope more attention is being drawn to them by stunts like DeSantis pulled.

You're right, Warp. These dirty, brown Venezuelans should go through the proper channels to apply for visas before they try to leave their country controlled by a violently repressive totalitarian regime, or at least have the decency to be white before they try to enter the U.S.

 

[Foster Zygote]

International human rights organizations urge people in places where the rule of law is compromised, where a society has become dysfunctional to the point ordinary citizens are in danger with no effective state agency to turn to, LEAVE. Leave by any means available, but leave. Even if you have to enter another country illegally...at least you're still going to be alive.

From the NPR report:

Venezuela used to have a strong middle class - people with educations who worked in trades, owned businesses, worked in offices... All that's collapsed in a nightmare political tragedy that's destroyed the economy and the most basic personal security. Watching people portray these desperate refugees as "uneducated and diseased" - referring to them like they're sub-human savages who lived in filthy, mud-floored straw huts because that's all they were capable of, and not giving a **** what happens to them as long as they don't come here for help, really serves to illustrate the face of bigotry and racism in the U.S.

 

[arayder]

I swear, watching our impulse drive poster struggle with reality, and getting jerked bald headed for it, has made my morning.

 

[phiwum]

Plenty of discussion earlier of why this is 100% true. Of course Dems will say "they have a special exception!". I don't give a damn about that. If they are crawling across the borders illegally, they are criminals, imo. They committed the same crime as Mexicans who are being deported for the same actions.

I know, right? Why do cops get to run red lights when I can't?

This is quite astute moral reasoning, this is. Some things are illegal for some people but not others. That's just not fair.

If anyone wants a cheap appendectomy, let me know. I've already washed my pocket knife.

 

[phiwum]

It all sits perfectly well once you realize that they very likely tried to enter this country illegally.

The symbolism of telling them to GTFO of FL is perfect. We don't want those types on our soil, is the message.

Not quite so perfect, since they were first flown to Florida by DeSantis.

And conservative voters are going to love that thinking.

Perhaps.

 

[Warp12]

You're right, Warp. These dirty, brown Venezuelans should go through the proper channels to apply for visas before they try to leave their country controlled by a violently repressive totalitarian regime, or at least have the decency to be white before they try to enter the U.S.

I don't care about the color of their skin. Like i would embrace homeless, jobless, infectious, poorly-vetted whites? Of course, that is the "go-to" accusation for liberals, where everything is about race. I don't endorse illegals, it's that simple. And yes these folks arrived as illegals, as do tens of thousands of them, apparently monthly. I don't GAF what you call them now, they are still illegals to me.

I hope if DeSantis does run and get elected in 2024, he is able to get these illegal immigration loopholes closed. This country is under no obligation to make special exceptions for any of these people, no matter what their sob stories may be.

 

[Upchurch]

And yes these folks arrived as illegals, as do tens of thousands of them, apparently monthly. I don't GAF what you call them now, they are still illegals to me.

And they turned themselves in, as is required by law.

Have you ever broken a law? Any law at all? Driven over the speed limit, perhaps? J-walked, maybe?

Are you an illegal?

 

[Warp12]

And they turned themselves in, as is required by law.

Have you ever broken a law? Any law at all? Driven over the speed limit, perhaps? J-walked, maybe?

Are you an illegal?

"Turned themselves in"?

In August alone, the Border Patrol recorded more than 50,000 apprehensions in the Del Rio sector, which includes Eagle Pass — tens of thousands more than in traditional migration corridors like the Rio Grande Valley and El Paso.The number of migrants arriving from Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua was nearly equal to the number from Mexico and northern Central America.

You think these Venezuelans are all "turning themselves in"? I mean, they should...since they are allowed to enter illegally. But apparently a hell of a lot of them are too stupid to even do that.

The rest of your post is too idiotic to consider.

 

[Stacyhs]

"Turned themselves in"?




You think these Venezuelans are all "turning themselves in"? I mean, they should...since they are allowed to enter illegally. But apparently a hell of a lot of them are too stupid to even do that.

The rest of your post is too idiotic to consider.

Actually, they do turn themselves in. Why? Because they know they can apply for asylum. Try doing a little research.

In Mexicali, he paid the smuggler $800 to ferry him into Arizona, where he turned himself over to border patrol and was held in a migrant detention center for six weeks before being released to await his asylum hearing.

Antonio, a smuggler from El Salvador, said in early July that he had taken more Venezuelan clients in the past five months than ever before. From southern Mexico he charges $3,000 to take them to the U.S. border, where he instructs them to turn themselves in to U.S. border agents to request asylum.

https://www.reuters.com/world/ameri...-bias-abroad-venezuelans-flock-us-2021-07-14/

ETA:

A group of migrants prepare to turn themselves in to authorities after wading through the Rio Grande and crossing the U.S.-Mexico border at Del Rio, Texas, June 15, 2021. Record numbers of Venezuelans — often bankers, doctors and engineers — are crossing the U.S.-Mexico border as overall migration swells.

(https://leads.ap.org/best-of-the-week/venezuelan-asylum-seekers-cross-us-border)

I bet those bankers, doctors, and engineers are just totally disease-ridden when they come here to become drug dealers and commit crime.

 

[Warp12]

Actually, they do turn themselves in. Why? Because they know they can apply for asylum. Try doing a little research.

You think of 50,000 illegals apprehended in one month, none are Venezuelans? That is rich.

In August alone, the Border Patrol recorded more than 50,000 apprehensions in the Del Rio sector, which includes Eagle Pass — tens of thousands more than in traditional migration corridors like the Rio Grande Valley and El Paso.The number of migrants arriving from Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua was nearly equal to the number from Mexico and northern Central America.

 

[Stacyhs]

You think of 50,000 illegals apprehended in one month, none are Venezuelans? That is rich.

[/hilite]

"Apprehensions" does not necessarily mean being taken against their will. Someone can be apprehended when they turn themselves in. It means to take into custody, which they are.

 

[Warp12]

ETA:
(https://leads.ap.org/best-of-the-w ...ts. Probably a whole lot are lawyers, too. :D

 

[Stacyhs]

"Often" bankers, doctors, and engineers....lol. That doesn't sound like liberal propaganda at all.

Yeah, damn that Associated Press story reporting on facts. They must be just making crap up in order push their liberal agenda. Especially all those pictures in the article showing the migrants turning themselves in, including the woman who left a paid off home and was an elementary school teacher. Stinking liars. FAKE NEWS!!

Regardless, they are illegals. They just aren't being deported like they should be. Instead, they are here being flown to Martha's Vineyard with complaint, and filing lawsuits.

No, you think they should be illegals. The law says they aren't.

Probably a whole lot are lawyers, too.

I wouldn't doubt it at all.

 

[RecoveringYuppy]

"Often" bankers, doctors, and engineers....lol. That doesn't sound like liberal propaganda at all.

You know, if you actually looked it up, you could find out that Venezuela's turmoil has lead to a "brain drain" that the US has been a beneficiary of.

Compared to foreign- and U.S.-born adults (ages 25 and older), Venezuelan immigrant adults have considerably higher levels of education, especially in terms of four-year college degrees. In 2018, more than half of Venezuelan immigrants held at least a bachelor’s degree (57 percent), significantly higher than all foreign-born and U.S.-born adults (32 percent and 33 percent, respectively). Venezuelan immigrants were also more likely to have a graduate or professional degree than the other two groups (21 percent, versus 14 percent for all immigrants and 12 percent for the U.S. born). Only 6 percent of Venezuelan immigrants lacked a high school diploma, compared to 27 percent of all immigrant adults.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/venezuelan-immigrants-united-states-2018

 

[smartcooky]

I’m just enjoying the irony, intentionally or not, of complaining about being treated like a stereotypical villain while simultaneously monologue-ing about the worthless, dirty under-class. Honestly, the only thing that would make it more perfect would be idly twirling a mustache with one finger.

"Villains who twirl their mustaches are easy to spot. Those who cloak themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged, waiting for the right climate in which to flourish, spreading fear in the name of righteousness"
- Patrick Stewart as Jean-Luc Picard in "The Drumhead"

My problem with this is, the poster you refer to is doing what they always seem to do. In this case, turning the thread away from a discussion of DeSantis and his policies and turning it into a thread about themselves, their feelings and the shortcomings of other posters. They find the migrants to be "nauseating," other people's positions are "idiotic." This gets repeated over and over and based on experience I doubt we can expect to see anything else.

That isn't taking part in a discussion about DeSantis and his policies, it's the opposite.

True to form then!

 

[Warp12]

You know, if you actually looked it up, you could find out that Venezuela's turmoil has lead to a "brain drain" that the US has been a beneficiary of.



https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/venezuelan-immigrants-united-states-2018

I have to admit that would be surprising, if it still holds true after the special exception has been made for illegals (I doubt it does). However, they are still entering illegally. And the article also points out that 53% of Venezuelan immigrants reside in FL..so much for that state being a poor choice for them. Of course the data is also 4 years old, before the most recent massive surge and open door policy for illegals was made. So, who knows the accuracy of the information...on either count.

 

[Stacyhs]

If doctors, bankers, and other professionals are leaving Venezuela, lawyers are likely leaving, too. As this report says:

In a briefing paper released today, the International Commission of Jurists (ICJ) calls attention to the numerous obstacles and restrictions that Venezuelan lawyers face in exercising their profession.

Lawyers acting independently are frequently subjected to harassment, intimidation, and even criminal sanction. Lawyers acting in high-profile actions, particularly politically charged cases, or those involving human rights violations are at particular risk.

A Lawyer in Venezuela, She Started From Scratch in the U.S.
As her country’s economy collapsed, Yolanda Molina sought respite in New York. “Not all immigrants arrive here to be a burden,” she says.

When Jesus Manuel Gomez crossed the border from Ecuador into Peru in February 2018 after traveling 1,300 miles from Venezuela, his life changed markedly.

In Venezuela, he was an accomplished lawyer with specialized training.
“I am a lawyer with much responsibility, with a postgraduate degree in agrarian and environmental law,” said Gomez, whose wife and children remain in Venezuela. “Few in my country have that title.”

After a day of working manual labor, Paredes, who was a lawyer in Venezuela, returned home in Princes Town. Paredes, 40, also has a doctoral degree. RIGHT: Carlos Paredes, second left, with his family in their makeshift home in Princes Town, Trinidad. He and thousands of Venezuelans fled to the island nation; up to 160 a week are still arriving.

Venezuelans aren't just immigrating to the US, but to many other Latin American countries like Peru and Argentina to escape what's happening in their home country. What makes you think Venezuelan professionals, including lawyers, aren't coming to the US?

 

[Stacyhs]

I have to admit that would be surprising, if it still holds true after the special exception has been made for illegals (I doubt it does). However, they are still entering illegally. And the article also points out that 53% of Venezuelan immigrants reside in FL..so much for that state being a poor choice for them. Of course the data is also 4 years old, before the most recent massive surge and open door policy for illegals was made. So, who knows the accuracy of the information...on either count.

They are entering illegally but they aren't here illegally once they turn themselves in and apply for asylum.

 

[smartcooky]

"Often" bankers, doctors, and engineers....lol. That doesn't sound like liberal propaganda at all.

Regardless, they are illegals. They just aren't being deported like they should be. Instead, they are here being flown to Martha's Vineyard with complaint, and filing lawsuits. Probably a whole lot are lawyers, too.

"I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops."
- Stephen Jay Gould