Merged Russian (genocidal) internal propaganda and goals about Ukraine

[GraculusTheGreenBird]

Perhaps a meeting in Turkey between Zelensky, Putin, Erdogan, and the U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, where a peace treaty would be agreed, based on the following principles: Russian withdrawal to February positions, Crimea is Russian, the Donbass republics are independent or Russian (but with no territorial expansion compared with February), Ukraine remains neutral (no joining NATO) and all economic sanctions are lifted (with the North Crimean canal providing water to Crimea).

And once again, rewarding Russia for their invasion, and giving them everything they wanted in the first place.

Russian propaganda from a Russian propagandist. We see right through you.

 

[Craig4]

See first replies here: https://twitter.com/ZelenskaUA/status/1567182927703728129 .

What is this? This is nothing.

 

[Michel H]

You would have to explain to everybody why this is a good deal for everybody. Because, if you haven't figured it out already, pretty much everybody here sees this deal of yours as only favouring Russia.

The primary reason why this simple peace plan would be good for everybody (even beyond Ukraine and Russia) is that it is a peace plan: it would bring peace, stop the fighting.

There is nothing pro-Russian about it.

Crimea and possibly part of Donbass joining Russia: this is just democracy.

Ukraine neutral: why should Ukraine join a proven, anti-Russian criminal organization? (it seems absurd).

Sanctions lifted: good for economic development and prosperity, good for everybody.

Russian withdrawal: this is certainly not pro-Russian.

 

[Craig4]

Perhaps a meeting in Turkey between Zelensky, Putin, Erdogan, and the U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, where a peace treaty would be agreed, based on the following principles: Russian withdrawal to February positions, Crimea is Russian, the Donbass republics are independent or Russian (but with no territorial expansion compared with February), Ukraine remains neutral (no joining NATO) and all economic sanctions are lifted (with the North Crimean canal providing water to Crimea).

Or the better plan is Ukraine, with NATO and other Western arms cripples Russia, forces the Orcs back to their borders, hiding their Nukes and can't threaten anybody again for a generation. Your silly little idea just makes the next war inevitable.

 

[Craig4]

The primary reason why this simple peace plan would be good for everybody (even beyond Ukraine and Russia) is that it is a peace plan: it would bring peace, stop the fighting.

There is nothing pro-Russian about it.

Crimea and possibly part of Donbass joining Russia: this is just democracy.

Ukraine neutral: why should Ukraine join a proven, anti-Russian criminal organization? (it seems absurd).

Sanctions lifted: good for economic development and prosperity, good for everybody.

Russian withdrawal: this is certainly not pro-Russian.

It's funny you think this is going to happen.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

The primary reason why this simple peace plan would be good for everybody (even beyond Ukraine and Russia) is that it is a peace plan: it would bring peace, stop the fighting.

There is nothing pro-Russian about it.

Crimea and possibly part of Donbass joining Russia: this is just democracy.

Ukraine neutral: why should Ukraine join a proven, anti-Russian criminal organization? (it seems absurd).

Sanctions lifted: good for economic development and prosperity, good for everybody.

Russian withdrawal: this is certainly not pro-Russian.

In your 'neutral' plan you propose that Russia gets to annex all it's occupied territory using sham referanda and thus does not need to withdraw and the Ukraine is forbidden from following it's own international policy and seeking protection from a nation that twice in the last decade invaded and sought to annex their territory.

Russia gets exactly zero consequences for these criminal actions.

Why is it so hard for you to just openly admit you admire fascism and would like it rewarded?

 

[Michel H]

In your 'neutral' plan you propose that Russia gets to annex all it's occupied territory using sham referanda and thus does not need to withdraw and the Ukraine is forbidden from following it's own international policy and seeking protection from a nation that twice in the last decade invaded and sought to annex their territory.

Russia gets exactly zero consequences for these criminal actions.

Why is it so hard for you to just openly admit you admire fascism and would like it rewarded?

No, I don't admire fascism, and I don't want it to be rewarded (Hitler shouldn't have invaded the Soviet Union and persecuted the Jews).

According to my plan, Russia should withdraw its forces to February positions. So, a lot of territory which is currently under Russian occupation should become Ukrainian again, and many Ukrainian refugees should be allowed to return home.

 

[arthwollipot]

Well, yeah, if you just give me your lunch money I'll stop punching you in the face.

 

[Michel H]

Well, yeah, if you just give me your lunch money I'll stop punching you in the face.

Ukraine would actually have far more lunch money if it agreed to my suggested peace terms.

 

[The Don]

Ukraine would actually have far more lunch money if it agreed to my suggested peace terms.

Except it wouldn't because, like Nazi Germany, having achieved their initial set of aims, Russia would have the made further demands.

It's clear from Russia that they don't think that Ukraine should exist, that the Ukrainian language should be extinguished and that Ukrainians should either become Russian or be exterminated.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

No, I don't admire fascism, and I don't want it to be rewarded (Hitler shouldn't have invaded the Soviet Union and persecuted the Jews).

According to my plan, Russia should withdraw its forces to February positions. So, a lot of territory which is currently under Russian occupation should become Ukrainian again, and many Ukrainian refugees should be allowed to return home.

No, your plan claims the area's now under Russian control should become 'independent', after which they will ask for Russian 'protection' and then 'vote' to become part of Russia.

 

[Michel H]

No, your plan claims the area's now under Russian control should become 'independent', after which they will ask for Russian 'protection' and then 'vote' to become part of Russia.

No, only the Donetsk and Luhansk people's republics with their February 23 borders should become independent or join Russia, in a way agreed and recognized by all (and especially by Ukraine).

There should be no reward for illegal aggression (and Russia has lost many men).

 

[Michel H]

Except it wouldn't because, like Nazi Germany, having achieved their initial set of aims, Russia would have the made further demands.

It's clear from Russia that they don't think that Ukraine should exist, that the Ukrainian language should be extinguished and that Ukrainians should either become Russian or be exterminated.

If the Russians decide later to invade Ukraine (which is very unlikely if my plan, which involves neutrality, has been agreed), then I would have another "peace plan" for such a situation. The Russians should leave.

 

[GraculusTheGreenBird]

If the Russians decide later to invade Ukraine (which is very unlikely if my plan, which involves neutrality, has been agreed), then I would have another "peace plan" for such a situation. The Russians should leave.

And that peace plan would again reward Russia for invading.

You seek to reward them at every turn.

You disgust me, Russian Propagandist.

 

[Michel H]

And that peace plan would again reward Russia for invading.

You seek to reward them at every turn.

You disgust me, Russian Propagandist.

Come on, Green Bird, telling Russia it has to leave isn't rewarding Russia.

 

[Craig4]

If the Russians decide later to invade Ukraine (which is very unlikely if my plan, which involves neutrality, has been agreed), then I would have another "peace plan" for such a situation. The Russians should leave.

You don't have a plan. You're just some rando with a bad idea. That's not the same as a plan. A plan implies some way to implement. You can't even get your silly little idea considered by anyone who could even talk to someone who could implement it. It's a bit uppity of you to think you have a "peace plan". Presidents and potentates have peace plans. You have delusions of grandeur.

 

[The Don]

Come on, Green Bird, telling Russia it has to leave isn't rewarding Russia.

You've already granted them a huge win in giving them Crimea and the parts of the Donbas occupied in 2014.

 

[Wildy]

What is this? This is nothing.

Just to save you some time if you aren't algorithmically given the tweet, but our friend here decided to tweet his "peace plan" directly to the First Lady of Ukraine.

The primary reason why this simple peace plan would be good for everybody (even beyond Ukraine and Russia) is that it is a peace plan: it would bring peace, stop the fighting.

At the basis of it, any peace plan would do that. Even one that said that all the Russian Oblasts that border Ukraine are to be spun off as an independent neutral buffer state between the two countries (just to be fanciful).

There is nothing pro-Russian about it.

Crimea and possibly part of Donbass joining Russia: this is just democracy.

Is it? Last time I checked democracies also respected the rule of law which didn't happen here.

Ukraine neutral: why should Ukraine join a proven, anti-Russian criminal organization? (it seems absurd).

Because of the large aggressive neighbour that's currently invaded their country and previously meddled within it to illegally annex parts of their country. After all this is it really wrong for them to say "I'd like to join a group that promises mutual defence" in case Russia tries to take more land from them again?

Sanctions lifted: good for economic development and prosperity, good for everybody.

The EU thought that they could create peace with Russia through economic development and prosperity between the two groups and that still didn't stop Russia from doing what it's done. And given the rampant corruption in Russia the only people that will benefit from the lifting of sanctions are the oligarchs and the London institutions that service them.

Russian withdrawal: this is certainly not pro-Russian.

You know that this would be a given right? When the war ends and Russia gets to keep a bunch of land in which to start another invasion later on as well as taking all the washing machines that they can find in Ukrainian houses.

The fact of the matter is that you keep proposing a peace deal that doesn't have any tangible benefits for Ukraine. After all that Ukraine goes through your pitiful excuse for a "peace deal" leaves a poorer and isolated country that will be forced to toe the Russian line in the hopes that Russia doesn't decide to come back for the rest of the land that they still want.

 

[Craig4]

Just to save you some time if you aren't algorithmically given the tweet, but our friend here decided to tweet his "peace plan" directly to the First Lady of Ukraine.

Can't even get past the first line of horse-holders.

 

[arthwollipot]

How about this for a peace plan:

Russia withdraws to its pre-2014 borders, ceases meddling in the affairs of other countries, Donbas and Crimea are returned to Ukraine, Russia pays reparations to Ukraine for the infrastructure that they destroyed during the war, and turns over all war criminals for trial in the Hague?

Perfect plan for complete peace in the region.