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No, Rishi you weren't born this way, you made your money from hedge funds that made the financial crash of 2008 happen and marrying a billionairess who used non-dom status to not pay tax in the UK until she was caught by the press.
 
Truss saying she's seen the light over Brexit because all the treasury forecasts were wrong. All the rest of us can all see what a disaster Brexit is. Nobody thinks it's going well!
 
Rishi Sunak said "being Prime Minister means being honest". He didn't think that for the 2 years he was in cabinet with Boris Johnson's government!

It's like two rats fighting in a sewer about which one of them is vermin!

Meanwhile there are reports that Johnson is trying to get written in as a third option by the membership.

I don't think it would work but I hope it does... Before being found guilty by the privileges committee and suspended for over 20 days and then subjected to a recall petition.

That would be entirely appropriate for his premiership and The Modern Conservative Party.
 
Truss saying she's seen the light over Brexit because all the treasury forecasts were wrong. All the rest of us can all see what a disaster Brexit is. Nobody thinks it's going well!

Are you actually watching it?

:jaw-dropp

How come you have retained enough neural function to type?

How come you haven't put something through the screen you're watching it on?
 
Are you actually watching it?

:jaw-dropp

How come you have retained enough neural function to type?

How come you haven't put something through the screen you're watching it on?

I had it on BBC News website open on a tab while I was doing something else. I was listening.
 
Rishi Sunak said "being Prime Minister means being honest". He didn't think that for the 2 years he was in cabinet with Boris Johnson's government!


That’s what living in London is like: you don’t know the first thing about your next-door neighbour.
 
The Tory leadership sucks.
Question is how much better is Labor?
From what I have read, both parties seem to be lacking in the "good leader" department.
 
The Tory leadership sucks.
Question is how much better is Labor?
From what I have read, both parties seem to be lacking in the "good leader" department.

Starmer is possibly a bit boring.

He is (rightly) worried about being painted as a wired zealot by the Murdoch press, but the Labour front bench is now competent, and seem quite personable.

The shadow chancellor handed over to Starmer with the words, "I'd like to say I'm handing over to the next Prime Minister, but who knows how many more Tory leaders there will be before the general election"
 
After both telling the country that they are going to be honest with the public because that's important for a PM, in response to the question "is Brexit the cause of the queues in Dover?" they both say no.
 
I saw a two-minute clip of the shambles on the BBC webpage - that is enough for me in this waste-of-time sideshow - and I have to say, I couldn't believe how rude Sunak was, talking over and interrupting Truss. He is an entitled boor and bore. I think Truss' tax cuts using economist Minford's (_sp?) paradigm could work. The tax cuts are simply funded by higher interest on debts and savings - thus increasing in investments - and 'zombie' firms relying on low to zero interest penalties being too sluggish to be productive because there is no incentive to earn, interest-wise (although, of course, earned interest is taxable). The problem I foresee with this model is that it fails to appreciate that the UK is a credit -led economy, with the average household debt - excluding securities such as mortgage - being £8K per person. Truth is, whilst the savers would love more interest, unfortunately, I can't see how the average household is going to cope if they are in debt and are now facing ridiculous energy bills, not to mention inflation putting a kybosh on spending.

The other issue is education. Both claim to come from humble beginnings (see article about this int he Guardian) yet Sunak ignores the fact that even if parents 'sacrifice' and 'work hard' there is still only about 5% who could afford the £46,000 pa fees needed to go to the school he went to,, even with the 30% off scholarship, which Sunak got. Who is Sunak kidding? However, it is true that people in the UK are so used to the class system they just don't see themselves in it.

I think this is what Truss was touching on when she said her comprehensive school let kids down. Yes, it was under Tory rule the whole time but inherited the class-infested system that meant a second-class education compared to people like Sunak, who come out the other end brightly polished and affable. The irony is that when Wykeham founded Winchester, it was meant for country boys such as himself and the landed gentry excluded, as presumed to be expecting inherited wealth so didn't need the same schooling - and anyway, they had private governesses and tutors. Winchester was also a feeding school for Oxford New College founded by Henry IV (_? iirc). Eton was founded similarly. Of course, the plebs have been elbowed out, making a mockery of the original term, 'public school'. As long as people can buy their way into the establishment, then there will always be the self-entitled affables like slick Rishi who belief being PM is their natural right and kid themselves and others that they 'did it through hard work'.
 
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I think this is what Truss was touching on when she said her comprehensive school let kids down. Yes, it was under Tory rule the whole time but inherited the class-infested system that meant a second-class education compared to people like Sunak, who come out the other end brightly polished and affable.

IMO the grammar school system worked for the majority those children lucky enough to pass the 11-plus exam. The trouble is that unless your parents could afford to pay for extra tutoring to get you through the exam or you went to a "good" primary school which helped you prepare to take the exam then your chances of passing were limited.

For sure some working class children slipped through the net, but generally grammar schools were a way for middle-class children to get a free education equivalent to one they could get at a minor public school.

Heaven help you if you were a "late bloomer".

I'd have likely passed the 11-plus, I was precocious and my parents were teachers, but I went to comprehensive school with a lot of kids who would have been consigned to the Secondary Modern and their academic education would have been at an end. A fair proportion went on to get good O and A levels and have a successful university career. These are the real beneficiaries from the comprehensive system - bright, hard-working kids from poor backgrounds.

Being dim and lazy, I can see how Liz Truss didn't thrive under such a system ;)
 
IMO the grammar school system worked for the majority those children lucky enough to pass the 11-plus exam. The trouble is that unless your parents could afford to pay for extra tutoring to get you through the exam or you went to a "good" primary school which helped you prepare to take the exam then your chances of passing were limited.

For sure some working class children slipped through the net, but generally grammar schools were a way for middle-class children to get a free education equivalent to one they could get at a minor public school.
I guess I was one of them :)

I was in the last year to take the 11-plus, and was the only one from my (rural council estate) primary school to pass that year. I suspect I got through mostly because of the IQ test that formed part of it, based on the headmaster's comments and subsequent attitude change.

I didn't get to university, though, I left school at 16 with 8 O levels. I was fortunate that my first (government) employer was willing to pay for me to do day release and evening classes for as long as I wanted to get further qualifications. Eight years of that got me an HNC in Electronics and a degree in Maths.
 
My dad passed his 11 plus and he was from a rough as **** council estate. He left school at 14 though...


...mind you, he didn't do badly - he became a Quantity Surveyor.
 
IMO the reason why the grammar system is so popular with Conservatives is because it helps to maintain inequality and keep the proles in their place.

The reason why they hate the comprehensive system so much is that it allows those same proles to get a decent education even with a fraction of the per-pupil funding enjoyed by the grammar schools.
 
I think this is what Truss was touching on when she said her comprehensive school let kids down. Yes, it was under Tory rule the whole time but inherited the class-infested system that meant a second-class education compared to people like Sunak, who come out the other end brightly polished and affable.

I’m confused by that ‘but’.
 
IMO the grammar school system worked for the majority those children lucky enough to pass the 11-plus exam. The trouble is that unless your parents could afford to pay for extra tutoring to get you through the exam or you went to a "good" primary school which helped you prepare to take the exam then your chances of passing were limited.


...snip...

Don't forget the grammar school system is still alive and well in some places in England - I live in one of those areas and moving here was an eye-opener.

Nothing could be more true than your statement "...generally grammar schools were a way for middle-class children to get a free education equivalent to one they could get at a minor public school.....".

Parents who have resources screw with the system like anything and without any shame, from getting solicitors involved, to out and out lying, to 12 months of tutoring for little Jeanie that is only about passing the 11 plus. Oh of course it still means a bright kid from any background should be able to get in, if everything else was equal - but everything else isn't equal. I've known parents who dreaded the idea of their kid getting to a local grammar if they passed their 11 plus - because of the incidental costs involved. Uniforms tend to be more expensive; they tend to need more equipment and kit because they get a more varied curriculum, there are more and much more expensive school trips and so on. It all adds up.

Sadly, it's a corrupted system.
 
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