Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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dann said:
Hercules Rockefeller said:
An unknown number of people have been killed and wounded by a man with a rifle at Field's shopping center in Copenhagen

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919
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Yes, three killed, four more in a critical condition. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62030919
But no longer reason to fear for their lives: https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/seneste/a...-skyderiet-ved-fields-meldes-nu-uden-livsfare
The shooter is well-known by the psychiatric system: https://politiken.dk/indland/art8866312/Den-mistænkte-gerningsmand-er-kendt-i-psykiatrien
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The father, Robert Crimo Jr. ... said that the night before Monday's shooting, he and son Robert Crimo III discussed the 22-year-old Danish man man who shot and killed three people at a mall outside of Copenhagen on Sunday.
"He goes, 'Yeah, that guy is an idiot.' That's what he said!" the dad recalled his on saying of the Danish shooter.
The father said his son added. "People like that ... [commit mass shootings] to amp up the people that want to ban all guns."
Crimo dad washes hands of guilt but talked with son about a mass shooting night before Highland Park Massacre (New York Post, July 6, 2022)
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I don't know if this means anything other than that he didn't want his father to know what he had planned to do.
 
Graham2001 said:
Conspiracy types are taking a different tack of course. One comment to the blog post linked below, whose creator tries to argue the shooter was apolitical, states that the rose tatoos are "...a common antifa tattoo ..."


Another claims that "...the FBI activated another drone...", or to put it simply the shooter is yet another product of 'MK-Ultra/Treadstone' mass shooter factory.


The rest of the commentary is not much better.


https://up-ship.com/blog/?p=49886
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Conspiracy theorists fascinate me. They definitely have a different psychology than those who don't tend that way. I'm dealing with a few in an old missing child case who are all into the theory it's a massive conspiracy among 8-9 people to cover up an accidental death rather than what is obvious to me: the child was abducted. No matter how many times I shoot down their 'evidence' (which is mostly just their interpretations based on a pre-existing belief), they just handwave it away and they're off to another "fact" based on their conspiracy belief. EVERYTHING has a nefarious reason /motive for them.

I was reading a couple psychological analyses of the conspiracist personality and narcissism heads the list of traits. I'm shocked. :rolleyes:
 
dann said:
I don't know if this means anything other than that he didn't want his father to know what he had planned to do.
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I don't believe the father talked to his son about the Copenhagen shooting at all. I think he's trying to justify his signing and sponsoring his son's firearm owners identification (FOID) card application after the son had threatened to kill himself and all his family members just four months before. He's already claiming he's not culpable for what his son did. The shooter's parents had been involved in several domestic problems resulting in police coming to their home. The police confiscated the shooter's 16 knives, a sword and a machete but they were later returned to the father.
 
Michael Moore on the Highland Park shooting

He Knew No One Would Expect a Woman Was the Mass Killer and He Was Right

I’ll say this about mass murderer Bobby Crimo. He knows that we are safe from the 51% of the population who don’t do mass murder. 99.9% of mass murderers are men. So he knew that the best way to escape his slaughter on Monday in Highland Park, Illinois, was to blend in with the terrorized crowd running for their lives — and to do so dressed as a “woman.” Because no one would dare suspect he was the shooter because, well, he was a “woman.” He had dressed as a woman, even as he was up on the roof, wearing a skirt and makeup as he fired off his 83+ bullets.

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“Bullets” is a polite word in this case. The ammo he used in his “high powered assault rifle — a weapon of war” — is able to blow one’s head off. On Monday there was at least one victim with half his head gone. A woman was missing much of her upper torso. Another woman had most of one leg blown off — by just one “bullet.” I want every network and newspaper to do their duty to the truth and ******* show America what this really looks like. Stop blurring out the truth! When you do that you are liars. You pretend that by not showing the carnage you are being “respectful” to the families of the dead. WRONG. You are disrespecting the dead by not showing the sacrifice THEY made so WE can have a Second Amendment. Stop your b.s. and do your job. Show the world the real America in all its despicable violence. Legally-purchased guns with legally sold ammunition that has only one singular purpose: the utter annihilation of a human body with immediate decapitation and/or the vivisection that spills one’s innards out onto the sidewalk like raw mincemeat, organ after organ carved up and splayed for the little children at the parade to see. If millions saw the true horror of this, I am convinced they would March on Washington, encircle the Capitol and not leave until all assault weapons were banned or confiscated.

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Here’s what Joe Biden was able to bring himself to say: “I am shocked by this senseless act of gun violence.” Really? You’re “shocked?” What planet have you been on? There is NOTHING shocking about this tragedy. IT HAPPENS EVERY ******* WEEK! 310 mass shootings since January. There are now two mass shootings PER DAY in the USA! And you call this “senseless gun violence?” Does that mean there is sensible gun violence? What does sensible violence look like?

Stop calling it senseless! This all makes perfect sense! We Americans are the main perpetrators of violence, whether it’s against each other, against women specifically, whether it’s invading other countries or letting our people die from lack of health coverage so we can build more sophisticated bomb-dropping drones while we round up babies and kids on the border and throw them into cages. We’re one of the last countries with the death penalty, we lead the way in destroying planet Earth, we pump over 60 bullets into an unarmed Black man in Akron simply because he is Black, he’s not human, and wouldn’t it be cool to see what a Black body looks like with nothing left of his body but bullet holes? This makes cops like this so excited they jizz their pants.
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Stacyhs said:
Conspiracy theorists fascinate me. They definitely have a different psychology than those who don't tend that way. I'm dealing with a few in an old missing child case who are all into the theory it's a massive conspiracy among 8-9 people to cover up an accidental death rather than what is obvious to me: the child was abducted. No matter how many times I shoot down their 'evidence' (which is mostly just their interpretations based on a pre-existing belief), they just handwave it away and they're off to another "fact" based on their conspiracy belief. EVERYTHING has a nefarious reason /motive for them.

I was reading a couple psychological analyses of the conspiracist personality and narcissism heads the list of traits. I'm shocked. :rolleyes:
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You see that happening in the comments section to the blog entry I posted, the '...rose tatoos are "...a common antifa tattoo ..."...' guy is responded to by the person who wrote the blog entry and while they (The author of the linked blog post.) are willing to accept "...Antifa-thinking..." behind the shooting, they'd "...need more than a generic tattoo of a flower to draw that link."
 
Dr.Sid said:
I know it's quite irrelevant but 5.56 is not "high powered rifle" .. as rifles goes, it's actually quite mild ..
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5.56 is ‘high powered’ when measured by the effect of impact on a human at any useful range. That there are more powerful rounds available isn’t a particularly important fact when discussing what firearms should be available to the average citizen.
 
sarge said:
5.56 is ‘high powered’ when measured by the effect of impact on a human at any useful range. That there are more powerful rounds available isn’t a particularly important fact when discussing what firearms should be available to the average citizen.
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Come to that, high velocity .22s have never had any function off the target range except to explode flesh, whether varmints or men. That's why I propose that BATF rewrite their regs to include 5.56 x 45 in the category of destructive devices.
 
Dr.Sid said:
I know it's quite irrelevant but 5.56 is not "high powered rifle" .. as rifles goes, it's actually quite mild ..
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Tell that to the parents of the kids in Uvalde that had their heads blown off by a 5.56.

I don't give a flying **** about the "definition" or whatever of "high-powered rifle" when the reality is that 5.56mm rifles literally are ripping the victims' bodies apart. It occurred in Uvalde. It occurred again in Highland Park.

Being able to rip bodies apart should be enough to call a weapon "high powered".
 
Dr.Sid said:
I know it's quite irrelevant but 5.56 is not "high powered rifle" .. as rifles goes, it's actually quite mild ..
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Um, no.

In general, ammo used in military assault rifles are referred to as intermediate cartridges. They are not considered "high powered" but are not at all mild. The intention is that they can deliver a lot of energy on target while still being controllable when fired in fully automatic mode. Thanks to the buffer spring, AR-15 and derived weapons are quite controllable under just about any circumstances.

In the case of 5.56 mm rounds, the original AR-15 was designed to use a lower powered nitrocellulose powder that the military really did not want. So when the M-16 was adopted they went with a higher powered smokeless powder and that was also what civilians were getting. Then around the time the M-16A2 came out the new green tip ammo with an even stronger charge also came out. The green tip ammo became popular among civilian owners of AR-15 like weapons as well.

So you are technically correct to say it is not high powered. But not at all correct to call it "mild". This is what is most properly called BS.
 
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Dr.Sid said:
I explicitly said it's mild "as rifles go" so you can keep your BS.
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Still valid. At best you have a distinction without a difference. The numbers here are not true in all cases but they still make the point. Yes, the 5.56 mm round is only about half the power of the 7.62 mm NATO standard round. But it is still three times the amount from .45 ACP, which is known for ripping big exit holes in people with less power.

The point stands that they are not at all mild in any way, shape, or form.

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Muzzle_energy
 
Doubt said:
Still valid. At best you have a distinction without a difference. The numbers here are not true in all cases but they still make the point. Yes, the 5.56 mm round is only about half the power of the 7.62 mm NATO standard round. But it is still three times the amount from .45 ACP, which is known for ripping big exit holes in people with less power.

The point stands that they are not at all mild in any way, shape, or form.

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/Muzzle_energy
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Ok, once again, but it's the last time, I promise: "as rifles go". RIFLES.
 
The eight year old the jerk off shot is now paralyzed from the waist down. His mother underwent several surgeries for her own injuries.

Last year in Japan, they had ONE...ONE... homicide by firearm. Shinzo Abe's assassin had to make his own gun because they are so hard to get in Japan. But, yeah..I don't wanna hear how guns aren't the problem.
 
Perhaps 'mild' was a poor word choice. Especially as, you know, people died.

There is nothing (in my opinion) 'mild' about any firearm, regardless of it's relative destructive power compared to any other.

Given the context, I'm minded to agree with the good Captain's excised comment.
 
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Stacyhs said:
The eight year old the jerk off shot is now paralyzed from the waist down. His mother underwent several surgeries for her own injuries.

Last year in Japan, they had ONE...ONE... homicide by firearm. Shinzo Abe's assassin had to make his own gun because they are so hard to get in Japan. But, yeah..I don't wanna hear how guns aren't the problem.
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The attack in Japan is just normal. After all, we've been told that there is nothing, nothing we here in the USA can do to curb gun violence.
 
junkshop said:
Perhaps 'mild' was a poor word choice. Especially as, you know, people died.

There is nothing (in my opinion) 'mild' about any firearm, regardless of it's relative destructive power compared to any other.

Given the context, I'm minded to agree with the good Captain's excised comment.
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But we can take Dr Sid's dispassionate observation at face value: the 5.56 isn't even on the high end of readily avsilable rifle power, and look what it does. Its not even the most vicious thing on the shelf at the corner store.

These things are not needed by civilians.
 
Since Dr. Sid is clearly the first person in history to make an unfortunate utterance (none of We the Advanced Beings has ever done such a thing), it is altogether fitting and proper to chastise him for it.

When we have done enough chastising, I am confident that we will stop.
 
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