Roe v. Wade overturned -- this is some BS

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In what sense doesn't it deserve those things? Every system is based on an elite group ruling. The founding fathers wrote about this. If you rely on passively voting, you get a choice between two flavours of whatever the non-passive, organised people decide you are going to get to choose between.

In a way you are right... but... G.W. Bush won by the supreme court of partisans ruling despite losing the majority votes of the people.... and Trump won by the electoral college ruse despite loosing the majority votes of the people.

Also the number of senators being set to two per state is an abject atrocity of undemocratic representation... since some states with a handful of people get two senatorial votes out of 100 while ones with millions of people get the same.

And the gerrymandering chicanery is making sure that despite the majority votes for one party the minority party still gets more congress representatives than the one with the majority of votes.

So the people of the USA are cheated out of their votes all the time.

And that is on the federal level... on the state level there is even more shenanigans that take place... like voting booths not being available in certain areas and striking out piles of votes by some guy deciding to do so... etc. etc.

It is a Banana Republic in many ways.
 
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The Dobbs v. Jackson Decision, Annotated

Notable in the above decision is it relies almost fully on historical references to state regulations during a time in our history where women had no right to vote, let alone sit on government seats.

I think that is exactly what they mean by chanting "make America great again"... and not just about women's emancipation.

What always make me ponder... is how can there be any (sane) women republicans... let alone the other groups.
 
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In a way you are right... but... G.W. Bush won by the supreme court of partisans ruling despite losing the majority votes of the people.... and Trump won by the electoral college ruse despite loosing the majority votes of the people.

Also the number of senators being set to two per state is an abject atrocity of undemocratic representation... since some states with a handful of people get two senatorial votes out of 100 while ones with millions of people get the same.

And the gerrymandering chicanery is making sure that despite the majority votes for one party the minority party still gets more congress representatives than the one with the majority of votes.

So the people of the USA are cheated out of their votes all the time.

And that is on the federal level... on the state level there is even more shenanigans that take place... like voting booths not being available in certain areas and striking out piles of votes by some guy deciding to do so... etc. etc.

It is a Banana Republic in many ways.

When organizations send election observers to other countries they are looking for standards to be followed that are not followed in the USA and when they are not followed in these emerging democracies, they call it electoral chicanery.
 
Trump said God said abortion issues should be resolved by states.
 
Lovely country you have there, America. The idea that peoples’ rights are protected, or important, is a blatant lie. I am wondering, as an old fart, whether the USA will become recognized as the theocracy it is becoming while I am still alive.
 
Lovely country you have there, America. The idea that peoples’ rights are protected, or important, is a blatant lie. I am wondering, as an old fart, whether the USA will become recognized as the theocracy it is becoming while I am still alive.

The American FARM is good pastures for its sheep... so long as they keep grazing with their heads in the grass... and not ever notice that the FARMER is not there to take care of them but rather to milk fleece and consume them... and when he protects them from the "wolves" it is not out of love for them.. but rather for his property.

Now of course this has been the state of humanity since farming started... but not many farmers throughout history have been as nice to their sheep as the American farmers... and not many farms have had as good pastures as the American farm.

--- with apologies to George Orwell.
 
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When organizations send election observers to other countries they are looking for standards to be followed that are not followed in the USA and when they are not followed in these emerging democracies, they call it electoral chicanery.


Of course... the rules do not apply to the rules' enforcers and their masters.
 
You gotta love these morons on the court. Gun violence is a problem. So what do they do? Make the problem worse.

The number of homeless is growing. Resources are limited. And what do they do? Make the problem worse.

Maybe you don't know this, but SCOTUS isn't there to legislate. They exist to determine if the constitution and US laws have been properly interpreted and/or implemented.
 
Maybe you don't know this, but SCOTUS isn't there to legislate. They exist to determine if the constitution and US laws have been properly interpreted and/or implemented.


Unless they are a bunch of unqualified lying partisans who lied under oath to gain entry so as to sabotage the constitution in service of their sky daddy and TRIBE.
 
I think the SCOTUS decision was legally correct, but morally reprehensible.

:(

If the last three justices lied about their abortion stances during confirmation hearings, they should be impeached.
 
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Maybe you don't know this, but SCOTUS isn't there to legislate. They exist to determine if the constitution and US laws have been properly interpreted and/or implemented.

In that case, why do the judges disagree, and why is this disagreement based on their ideology?
 
That's the end of story. States are free to implement abortion laws as they see fit.

I don't see that as a bad thing.

Are you ok with States deciding for themselves whether or not to ban discrimination in housing, education, employment and stores?
 
I think the SCOTUS decision was legally correct, but morally reprehensible.

:(

If the last three justices lied about their abortion stances during confirmation hearings, they should be impeached.


Actually it is not... also even the clowns themselves swore under oath that it is not legally correct... and the arguments they used are against other laws.
 
It will be like prohibition; on the outside the conservatives will act happy but if the situation arises they will get abortions. Just like when their grandparents wanted a drink - they did so. A system based on states still providing abortions will grow up. Some die hards will try and interfere with that system and most police departments will 'not prioritize' anti-abortion' investigations.
 
It will be like prohibition; on the outside the conservatives will act happy but if the situation arises they will get abortions. Just like when their grandparents wanted a drink - they did so. A system based on states still providing abortions will grow up. Some die hards will try and interfere with that system and most police departments will 'not prioritize' anti-abortion' investigations.

I've been thinking a bit about this, and I think this is an important point. Much of conservative support comes from those who are convinced that "liberal" government is meddlesome, complex, and expensive. But that's really because repression is applied only to certain parties.

I think one way around this would be malicious compliance. If the state owns your uterus, demand in writing permission to use it. Demand written guarantees that your gynecologist may have access to government property. Demand that, if it's illegal to cross state lines for an abortion, the state issue a paper granting you permission to cross state lines without search and seizure. Demand a written declaration of what measures are required or forbidden for a fertile woman to perform on her body in anticipation that an embryo that does not exist but might at some future time will find a welcome. Everything should be in writing. If the state wants to own our bodies, then it damned well better put its money where its mouth is. That should include by default that any medical procedure involving the reproductive system that is required for the health of any person should be the sole responsibility of the government that has asserted ownership.

In a state like Texas, where every neighbor of every potentially pregnant woman apparently has standing to initiate a lawsuit based on the suspicion of abortion, every potentially pregnant woman who is not planning an abortion should be able to phone every neighbor every night to assure them of this fact.

If birth control is made illegal, men should demand in writing permission to wear socks to bed. Demand written codes on what it is and is not legal to wear in case of sex, and be prepared to file complaints against anyone suspected of not following the codes. Hat colors, pajama styles. There should be a written guarantee that premature ejaculation, for example, is not grounds for criminal charges. Demand written clarification of whether vasectomy is permitted. After all, vasectomy is as much a physical barrier to the passage of sperm as other birth control.

Demand that agencies be established to codify and issue permits for activities, and that specifics be established for all of them, and printed. The administration of these laws should be expensive and complex.

If stupidity carried a financial or inconvenience expense to its promoters even a fraction of the emotional, spiritual, cultural expense it imposes on its victims, it would be dead in the water.
 
I saw a couple of these, I didn't realize it was quite that wide spread.

Governor Dip****, of my home state of Missouri, is bragging that we are the first state in the nation to outlaw abortions. I'm contemplating whether it is better to fight or flight.

Thank goodness I have no family in a red state except for my 'niece' in TX who is really my BF's daughter. I've never set foot in TX and never will. When my parents retired to Spokane in 1984 and my sister moved there after getting back from working in Saudi Arabia, they all moved to OR because they couldn't take the redneck culture there. Spokane is just 20 miles from Idaho, which is ruby red.
 
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