Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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Matthew Best said:
OK, but which specific type is the most dangerous?
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It's hard to say with certainty because most other shootings/mass shootings are not tracked with the same diligence as extremist shootings. From the time I've spent reading about mass shootings I'm going to guess shootings by those who illegally obtain firearms, those who have been previously convicted of gun crimes or those that are gang-related/gang-violence.
 
"Uvalde has hired a private law firm in an effort to suppress body camera footage and other records surrounding the mass shooting, Motherboard reported last week. In a letter, the city’s private lawyer argued it should be exempted from releasing records in part because they include “highly embarrassing information” and may cause “emotional/mental distress.”"

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy7...to-open-door-to-save-kids-from-shooter-report
 
I am more than a bit concerned about the rhetoric I've heard so far about planned disturbances during Pride celebrations this coming weekend. There's a big one locally that I'll have relatives going to (I might even go with them) and the city police are known nationally for several incidents in the past few years.
 
Bogative said:
I'm saying all domestic violent extremism combined poses very little threat to the US, much less one specific type. In 2016 according to the ADL, 76 people (the highest number between 2010 and 2020) were killed by domestic violent extremists. There are around 25,000 homicides in the US every year and some want us to believe that the 76 are much worse, much scarier and more prevalent than the other 24,924 or so. Left-wing politicians and media spend an inordinate amount of time on one and not so much on the rest.

I believe it's because most domestic violent extremism is considered "right-wing" and the left over inflates and hypes those numbers to smear their political opposition and paint them with a broad brush.
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I'd theorize that its because their audience is much more concerned with random acts of violence that could potentially kill them or their children rather than crime that almost exclusively occurs in the bad part of major cities. One can effect them the other really can't.

Where I live the paper started posting a "murder map". Nearly every murder was confined in 3 small sections of town and they are nearly always in a cheap motel, rundown apartment complex, or the poor guy working nights at a gas station. And the other handful of dots are usually domestic.

ETA: I also don't know why you are trying to say the media only covers "extremists". Uvalde was just an angry guy that decided to kill a bunch of kids. Its not political extremism, yet the news coverage was huge.
 
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It's become obvious that the reason why the Uvalde police failed so miserably is not because they have not enough cops, but too many cops: with multiple law enforcement agencies in a tiny town, no one was even clear on who would be in charge.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
It's become obvious that the reason why the Uvalde police failed so miserably is not because they have not enough cops, but too many cops: with multiple law enforcement agencies in a tiny town, no one was even clear on who would be in charge.
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Yes, when it doesn't even seem clear how many organisations with police powers there are in the US, except that it was somewhere around eighteen thousand in 2008, with 12000 being police forces of some description and 6000 having ten or fewer full time officers.
 
Bogative said:
Well you see, Dann, like you(presumably, forgive me if I'm wrong), I once believed that most mass shooters in the United States were white. That is until I read this New York Times article stating that 3/4 of mass shootings were committed by blacks. It's a statistic I had read on the web several times over the years. I just assumed it was a figure made up by some nutty racist and never took it seriously until I read the actual article.

After seeing the myth that whites make up the majority of mass shooters in this country repeated multiple times here at the ISF, I decided I would do my part and help the skeptical community by pointing out the fact that it is not white people who commit the majority of mass shootings. My focus this year is on mass shootings with 10 or more victims because there are way too many single-digit victim shootings to keep track of – 267 so far this year.

I throw in "not-a-white-supremacist" as a counter narrative to the current administration and left-wing media's narrative that white supremacists are the biggest threat to America since forever ever and minorities need to be scared all the time and keep voting for Democrats so they can be saved from said white supremacists. I'm doing my small part to prove that the current regime's narrative is complete bull ****. See below, no need to thank me.

Of the 19 mass shootings with 10 or more victims, the trigger pullers break down thusly:

1 white supremacist.

1 black nationalist.

1 Latino.

30 black men.

These numbers come from media and police photos, videos and descriptions of the suspects. There are around 10 undescribed suspects as of now, and based on the types of shooting, where they were and the other suspects the shooters were with, not a single one of these will be a white supremacist.

I changed my mind, you can thank me for my service.
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The message I take home from this is that anyone in possesion of a Y chromosome should be banned from carrying a firearm (except under direct supervision of a responsible person such as a mother or sister).
 
During a press conference today the Texas DPS stated that video evidence shows Uvalde and school police never tried the door handles on the classrooms occupied by the gunman to see if they were locked - which they definitely weren't, because evidently the doors can't be locked from the inside.

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The "Thin Blue Line" is looking pretty ******* thin right now. Like it's only got one dimension at this point.
 
Checkmite said:
During a press conference today the Texas DPS stated that video evidence shows Uvalde and school police never tried the door handles on the classrooms occupied by the gunman to see if they were locked - which they definitely weren't, because evidently the doors can't be locked from the inside.

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I've taken the liberty of copying a few of the recent posts on the Uvalde shooting to the following thread.

The Uvalde Shooting and responses to it

as I think the revelations around the police response and the other responses deserve a dedicated thread
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Bogative said:
It's hard to say with certainty because most other shootings/mass shootings are not tracked with the same diligence as extremist shootings. From the time I've spent reading about mass shootings I'm going to guess shootings by those who illegally obtain firearms, those who have been previously convicted of gun crimes or those that are gang-related/gang-violence.
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This reminds me of an episode (No. 176) of the 'Squaring the Strange' podcast I listened to recently. They also cover mass shootings and the take-away was that the idea that 'all mass shooters are one mass shooter' is wrong, there are at least four broad categories, one of which is the 'iconic' lone shooter with multiple writers, the least well known being crime related mass shootings.


The first category also tends to get the most coverage and it's the one in which the majority of shooters tend to be Whites. It's also the smallest category.


The last category (Criminal related mass shootings.) is the largest category and it's the one in which African-Americans make up the majority of the shooters. It's also the category that get's the least coverage in the media.


This feeds into the Right Wing idea of 'The Narrative' in which the race/name of White shooters is shouted from the rooftops while the racial identity of African-American shooters is suppressed to 'prevent negative racial stereotyping'.


Actually what's going on is that stories involving 'White People' tend to get more traction in the media whether it's mass shootings, child kidnappings, etc, etc...


For those who want to listen to the episode, I've linked to the summary page for Squaring the Strange episode 176 below.


https://squaringthestrange.libsyn.com/episode-176-mass-shootings-and-media-literacy
 
Graham2001 said:
Actually what's going on is that stories involving 'White People' tend to get more traction in the media whether it's mass shootings, child kidnappings, etc, etc...
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I guess the question is, are the media ignoring the most common types of mass shootings because they don't care about the mostly black victims or are they trying to suppress the truth that the most common type of mass shooting is perpetrated by blacks?
 
Bogative said:
I guess the question is, are the media ignoring the most common types of mass shootings because they don't care about the mostly black victims or are they trying to suppress the truth that the most common type of mass shooting is perpetrated by blacks?
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I think it is because nobody really cares about most instances of blacks shooting each other up. At least that seems to be part of the message I've taken away from this thread.

How else do you explain the combination of statistics and the associated comfortable apathy?
 
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