The Jan. 6 Investigation

[The Great Zaganza]

Barr reminds me of NAZI General Dietrich von Choltitz. Choltitz surrendered Paris to Eisenhower's
But General Choltiz took credit for not turning Paris into ruins. Yet Choltitz had leveled many cities for Hitler. He didn't have the men or material to level the Paris.

Choltitz just tried to rewrite history. The same as Barr.

right.

I fear Trump was correct in that if Barr had pretended that the "Voter Fraud" was under serious DOJ investigation, is Coup might have worked.
And if Barr had thought it would have, he would have lied for Trump, just like he did with the Mueller Report.

PS: any comments from Mueller on Jan 6th?
I would argue that he is partially to blame.

 

[arayder]

My guess is Barr realized with the fake electors and a few other Drumpf coup moves that this could not be erased the way Barr erased the Mueller report. Time to jump ship before it sinks.IMO Barr is simply trying to write himself a clean slate history when he knew full well his slate was as filthy as the rest of those in Drumpf's circle.

Not to mention that he could not have faced legal jeopardy for what he did with the Mueller Report, but assisting a president in overturning an election would be a different matter, and could have seen him criminally liable.

I think his motivation was more self-preservation than anything else.

I have to wonder if there was not, as we might expect, differing levels of willingness to go along with the crazy in the Trump administration.

Some folks would be more tolerant and some folks might hope that when the SHTF they might be a voice of sanity. A voice lost if they throw up their hands one day and say, 'I can't take it any more!"

Some people might be really ambitious and willing to put up with the shirt. Others might simply need the job and the health insurance.

In a way the situation makes the case for rich, upper class people being in the cabinet and on the White House staff since they can more easily tell the POTUS go fly a kite.

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Dope Clock II: It's been 365 days since Bobby Menard announced plans to create "Artists Valley". So far all he has done is lie through his teeth..

 

[dudalb]

All these people serve "at the pleasure of the President" The POTUS can fire them at any time for any reason. The are all Schedule C appointments, which means they get high salaries , and the benefits of Somebody in the Civil Service with one exception...they have no job protection like a regular Civil Servant does; they can be fires for any reason the President see fit.

 

[Trebuchet]

All these people serve "at the pleasure of the President" The POTUS can fire them at any time for any reason. The are all Schedule C appointments, which means they get high salaries , and the benefits of Somebody in the Civil Service with one exception...they have no job protection like a regular Civil Servant does; they can be fires for any reason the President see fit.

Don't forget Trump wanted that power for ALL Civil Service employees, regardless of pay or benefits.

 

[Mike!]

Don't forget Trump wanted that power for ALL Civil Service employees, regardless of pay or benefits.

I imagine that was one of his greatest disappointments with the office, "What do you mean I can't just fire anyone I want to? What's the point of this job if I can't fire anyone I want to regardless of where they're employed? What a joke."

 

[bruto]

A sign of the times when the rats that jumped off the ship are the heroes of the day.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

A sign of the times when the rats that jumped off the ship are the heroes of the day.

They aren't heroes, just smarter Rats. They hid the Fact that we had a Chief Executive Crookeder than a Sidewinder on a hot pavement at 120 Degrees, and Crazier that Bat Excrement. Also I don't think this is the first Time Trump has tried to get Away with something Crazy and Illegal. But (Hint,) I don't want to get into conspiracy theories here.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

A sign of the times when the rats that jumped off the ship are the heroes of the day.

If you mean Barr, he's not a hero just because he bailed when it was clear his own neck was sticking out too far.

None of these guys who jumped off the Drumpf clown ship did so when it would have been useful to the country, like when they realized Drumpf was a dangerous narcissist. They only jumped ship when it was clear the fire was going to take the ship down.

The way I see it, they were more than willing to hang around if Drumpf was going to be reelected.

 

[Stacyhs]

If you mean Barr, he's not a hero just because he bailed when it was clear his own neck was sticking out too far.

None of these guys who jumped off the Drumpf clown ship did so when it would have been useful to the country, like when they realized Drumpf was a dangerous narcissist. They only jumped ship when it was clear the fire was going to take the ship down.

The way I see it, they were more than willing to hang around if Drumpf was going to be reelected.

This ^^

 

[Lurch]

What works for one country might not work for every country.
I think your whole hand waving away the differences in population as to why the US does htink different the NZ is pretty questionable.
And in the US the states control the voting procedures, not the Federal Governemnt.

So?! Each State could still get on the ball and do all this better. Bigger poloulation, more electoral workers is pretty simple math many other countries have worked out a good while ago.

But we have before us the dis-United States of America. Got men on the Moon within a decade, but still have a generally crap election system after a couple centuries plus. Special, unique, benighted America, which doesn't stoop so low as to learn from those 'lesser' nations that in numerous respects makes a mockery of the so-called, deluded and delusional, US and A. Soon to become rather like Russia if sanity does not soon prevail.

 

[smartcooky]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...frontation-three-days-before-jan-6/?itid=mr_1

There's more coming out about a dramatic meeting at the Oval Office on Jan 3 involving The Fat Orange Turd, and the leadership of the DoJ along with members of the WH counsel's office. They threatened to resign as a group if The Fat Orange Turd installed an obscure DoJ Republican environmental lawyer as the new Acting AG.

That lawyer, Jeffrey Clark, was at the meeting, promising the The Fat Orange Turd that if he became acting AG, he would send a letter to elected officials in Georgia and other swing states won by Joe Biden, telling them the lie that the DoJ had found fraud in the presidential election in that state, and urged the states to illegally submit a slate of Trump Electors to the Electoral College.

Deputy AG Richard Donoghue, who testified on day 2 of the hearings, heard about this meeting and rushed to the Oval Office dressed in jeans and a T-shirt to try to put a halt to proceedings, and stop Jeffrey Clark being appointed.

Donoghue: "He's never been a criminal attorney, he's never conducted a criminal investigation in his life, he's never been in front of a grand jury, much less a trial jury"

Clarke: "Well, I've done a lot of very complicated appeals, incivility litigation and environmental litigation. Things like that."

Donoghue: "That's right, you are an environmental lawyer. How about you go back to your office and we will call you when there's an oil spill."​

At the end of the meeting The Fat Orange Turd decided not to make Clark Acting AG

Trump: “I appreciate you being willing to suffer the abuse but the reality is you are not going to get anything done, these guys are going to quit, everyone else is going to resign. It's going to be a disaster, The bureaucracy will eat you alive and no matter how much you want to get things done in the next few weeks you won't be able to get it done, and it's not going to be worth the breakage.”​

Just wow... especially the highlighted... a brutally dismissive "don't call us, we'll call you"!!

ETA: Oh, but wait, there's more!

Clark was shot down by other lawyers in the room when he tried to discuss what authority VP Mike Pence would have on January 6th, in counting the Electoral College votes, but it was not the end of that idea. Attorney John Eastman pushed the idea of having Pence reject the EC votes from key states won by Biden.

The next day, Eastman rang one of the The Fat Orange Turd's WH lawyers, Eric Herschmann.....

https://twitter.com/January6thCmte/status/1536815728208355330

FF to 1:16 in the embedded video of Liz Cheney

... I don't remember what he called me for... he wanted to talk to me and said he could not reach "others", and he started to ask me about something dealing with Georgia, preserving something potentially for appeal.

Herschmann: Are you out of your ******* mind!?” I only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on – "orderly transition". I don't want to hear hear any other ******* words coming out of your mouth, no matter what, other than "orderly transition! Repeat those words to me!"

Eastman: (eventually...) "Orderly transition"

Herschmann: "Good John, now I'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're going to get in your life.... get a great ******* criminal defence lawyer... you're going to need it..... and then I hung up on him."​

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...frontation-three-days-before-jan-6/?itid=mr_1

There's more coming out about a dramatic meeting at the Oval Office on Jan 3 involving The Fat Orange Turd, and the leadership of the DoJ along with members of the WH counsel's office. They threatened to resign as a group if The Fat Orange Turd installed an obscure DoJ Republican environmental lawyer as the new Acting AG.

That lawyer, Jeffrey Clark, was at the meeting, promising the The Fat Orange Turd that if he became acting AG, he would send a letter to elected officials in Georgia and other swing states won by Joe Biden, telling them the lie that the DoJ had found fraud in the presidential election in that state, and urged the states to illegally submit a slate of Trump Electors to the Electoral College.

Deputy AG Richard Donoghue, who testified on day 2 of the hearings, heard about this meeting and rushed to the Oval Office dressed in jeans and a T-shirt to try to put a halt to proceedings, and stop Jeffrey Clark being appointed.

Donoghue: "He's never been a criminal attorney, he's never conducted a criminal investigation in his life, he's never been in front of a grand jury, much less a trial jury"

Clarke: "Well, I've done a lot of very complicated appeals, incivility litigation and environmental litigation. Things like that."

Donoghue: "That's right, you are an environmental lawyer. How about you go back to your office and we will call you when there's an oil spill."​

At the end of the meeting The Fat Orange Turd decided not to make Clark Acting AG

Trump: “I appreciate you being willing to suffer the abuse but the reality is you are not going to get anything done, these guys are going to quit, everyone else is going to resign. It's going to be a disaster, The bureaucracy will eat you alive and no matter how much you want to get things done in the next few weeks you won't be able to get it done, and it's not going to be worth the breakage.”​

Just wow... especially the highlighted... a brutally dismissive "don't call us, we'll call you"!!

ETA: Oh, but wait, there's more!

Clark was shot down by other lawyers in the room when he tried to discuss what authority VP Mike Pence would have on January 6th, in counting the Electoral College votes, but it was not the end of that idea. Attorney John Eastman pushed the idea of having Pence reject the EC votes from key states won by Biden.

The next day, Eastman rang one of the The Fat Orange Turd's WH lawyers, Eric Herschmann.....

https://twitter.com/January6thCmte/status/1536815728208355330

FF to 1:16 in the embedded video of Liz Cheney

... I don't remember what he called me for... he wanted to talk to me and said he could not reach "others", and he started to ask me about something dealing with Georgia, preserving something potentially for appeal.

Herschmann: Are you out of your ******* mind!?” I only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth from now on – "orderly transition". I don't want to hear hear any other ******* words coming out of your mouth, no matter what, other than "orderly transition! Repeat those words to me!"

Eastman: (eventually...) "Orderly transition"

Herschmann: "Good John, now I'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're going to get in your life.... get a great ******* criminal defence lawyer... you're going to need it..... and then I hung up on him."​

Now who would have thought Trump was a complete Idiot who wanted an Insurrection on the 6th? That he would find fools that would tell him he could actually get away with it?

 

[The Great Zaganza]

What we've learned is that Trump wanted to overturn the election after everyone in the actual administration/cabinet told him he couldn't.
So why did no one do 25th amendment, when they all clearly saw that that would have been the only way to prevent a catastrophe?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

What we've learned is that Trump wanted to overturn the election after everyone in the actual administration/cabinet told him he couldn't.
So why did no one do 25th amendment, when they all clearly saw that that would have been the only way to prevent a catastrophe?

No one wants to be the first Target of a firing Squad, I have been there done that not good way to promote your genome. Trump should have been 25th amendment long before then!

 

[smartcooky]

What we've learned is that Trump wanted to overturn the election after everyone in the actual administration/cabinet told him he couldn't.
So why did no one do 25th amendment, when they all clearly saw that that would have been the only way to prevent a catastrophe?

Ok, the 25th Amendment.
Section 1 is death/resignation of POTUS
Section 2 is VP vacancy for any reason
Section 3 is POTUS self declaration of inability discharge the powers and duties.
Section 4 is what you are talking about, the "forced" removal of POTUS from office.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President. ​

Who would the highlighted apply to? Any of the witnesses who have so far testified?

The only one I can think of is Bill Barr.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Ok, the 25th Amendment.
Section 1 is death/resignation of POTUS
Section 2 is VP vacancy for any reason
Section 3 is POTUS self declaration of inability discharge the powers and duties.
Section 4 is what you are talking about, the "forced" removal of POTUS from office.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President. ​

Who would the highlighted apply to? Any of the witnesses who have so far testified?

The only one I can think of is Bill Barr.

Key is it has to be Officers not officer, so concensus is required.

Ps. Personally I think it was Sean Hannity who gave Trump's Insurrection playbook to BLM, I mean Sean would hesitate to save America from a plan Coup he was part of would he?

 

[bruto]

If you mean Barr, he's not a hero just because he bailed when it was clear his own neck was sticking out too far.

None of these guys who jumped off the Drumpf clown ship did so when it would have been useful to the country, like when they realized Drumpf was a dangerous narcissist. They only jumped ship when it was clear the fire was going to take the ship down.

The way I see it, they were more than willing to hang around if Drumpf was going to be reelected.

Of course he's not really a hero or even a simulacrum of one, except in the relative sense, a wallflower at the dumpster-fire orgy, the same relative sense that gets Liz Cheney integrity points for not combining her rabid conservatism with downright insanity. It's just disturbing, at least to some, how dependent our very democratic being is on the tiniest glimmers of truth.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Of course he's not really a hero or even a simulacrum of one, except in the relative sense, a wallflower at the dumpster-fire orgy, the same relative sense that gets Liz Cheney integrity points for not combining her rabid conservatism with downright insanity. It's just disturbing, at least to some, how dependent our very democratic being is on the tiniest glimmers of truth.

Barr obviously thought Trump could win if there was a Battle between Antifa, and BLM and If Trump declared the Insurrection act, and martial law like Greene stated in her text Message!
What he didn't know is Mr.X warned BLM on December 19th that Trump wanted a Riot, so he could declare the Insurrection act and Martial Law.
We owe Mr.X (Sean Hannity) a great debt of Gratitude for saving our nation! BLM informed 5 seconds after Trump's Tweet that it was a Trap.

 

[gnome]

You have sources for this, especially Sean Hannity's involvement?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

You have sources for this, especially Sean Hannity's involvement?

The January 6th committee has the Facebook pages,anything that mentioned the Insurrection act was Supeana by them, and who else in Trump Circle would have informed BLzm and Antifa within five seconds of Trump's December 19th Tweet?
Actually if I had Mr.X real name I wouldn't reveal it openly, because he might be in danger of Physical harm, Sean Hannity was just a Guess.