The Jan. 6 Investigation

[Aridas]

What do you expect? It was the Rump cult that was responsible. How do you address that without appearing partisan?

Liz Cheney who couldn't be more Republican gave a good presentation, it's the Constitution stupid, not the party.

Hey, when Republican lawmakers apparently specifically requested pardons for their actions, that quite indicates their recognition of guilt. Further, pointing things like that out should not be counted as partisan, in and of themselves.

Unfortunately, Republican propagandists have long been working to politicize accountability itself, so here we are.

 

[Upchurch]

I guess I was wrong after all. Nothing partisan about this.

<snicker>

What do you expect? It was the Rump cult that was responsible. How do you address that without appearing partisan?

Liz Cheney who couldn't be more Republican gave a good presentation, it's the Constitution stupid, not the party.

Fun fact: Trump is not, in and of himself, a political party.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Fun fact: Trump is not, in and of himself, a political party.

His cult followers would beg to differ.

 

[tyr_13]

Fun fact: Trump is not, in and of himself, a political party.

Opposing a fascist take over of the US is partisan when one party is for a fascist take over of the US.

Justice is partisan if one party is against justice.

Reality is partisan if one party is against reality.

So it is partisan, and that's fine. No matter what the conservatives in the US will call it that anyway. Screw their assessment.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Ooo, closing with recordings of a few of the convicted rioters saying Rump asked them to come to the Capitol.

Looks like it's going to focus on Rump's role front and center.

 

[stanfr]

Ooo, closing with recordings of a few of the convicted rioters saying Rump asked them to come to the Capitol.

Looks like it's going to focus on Rump's role front and center.

That is clear. They are going to lay out all the evidence for a criminal prosecution. I’ve been saying from day one T is criminally culpable. Only question remaining is whether the justice dept has the political courage to follow through. The hearings are obviously intended to provide public support, which is why I’m hoping sane republicans are watching…

 

[Pixel42]

I guess I was wrong after all. Nothing partisan about this.

It is not partisan to establish the facts of an incident, even if most of those obliged to do so are of one political party and most of the perpetrators of the incident are of another.

Refusing to help establish the facts of an incident because the perpetrators were members of the same political party as you is, however, partisan.

 

[Resume]

I guess I was wrong after all. Nothing partisan about this.

<snicker>

That'll happen when the insurrectionists and their enablers all belong to one party.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Tonight, I say this to my Republican colleagues who are defending the indefensible: There will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain.

—Liz Cheney, opening remarks at the January 6 committee's public hearing on 9 June 2022​

 

[Babbylonian]

I tell that to every one of my university classes on the first day, to make a point about learning and getting smarter, and about 1/3 of any individual class manages a chuckle or a flicker of recognition.

Do any of them bother to remind you that "average" is not the same as "mean," or perhaps point out the error that there's not just a single person of average intelligence and thus less than half the population will be below or higher than the average?

I only ask because a university teacher should know better.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Do any of them bother to remind you that "average" is not the same as "mean," or perhaps point out the error that there's not just a single person of average intelligence and thus less than half the population will be below or higher than the average?

I only ask because a university teacher should know better.

In common usage, "average" usually means "arithmetic mean".

Are you perhaps confusing "mean" with "median"?

 

[Babbylonian]

In common usage, "average" usually means "arithmetic mean".

Are you perhaps confusing "mean" with "median"?

Fair enough. It is still factually inaccurate that "half are dumber and half are smarter." The inaccuracy is made tiresome by people who say it because they think it makes them look like one of the smart ones.

If one actually gave a **** about measuring the intelligence of the population, they would at the very least categorize people according to ranges within their chosen system rather than using lousy math in an attempt to make themselves feel smart and to allow themselves to dismiss half the population as dumb.

 

[Ladewig]

This morning John Solomon broke a blockbuster story, based on documents he managed to obtain, that Trump authorized at least 20,000 National Guard troops at least four days before the January 6 riot but Pelosi turned down every request to use the troops.

https://justthenews.com/government/...onal-guard-capitol-four-days-jan-6-riots-memo

Tonight on Hannity, Solomon will discuss another newly obtained document that shows that the FBI warned the capitol police that they had intel that some of the protestors planned on storming the Capitol and committing violent actions, and that this information was conveyed to one of Sen. Schumer's aides but Schumer did nothing about it.

So it seems that Pelosi and Schumer may have actually wanted to allow radical Trump protestors to storm the Capitol so they could blame the riot on Trump, when it turns out that Trump was the one who approved 20,000 NG troops to protect the Capitol, that Pelosi and Schumer were the ones who rejected all requests to deploy troops, and that Schumer sat on intel that there some protestors would storm the Capitol.

It seems as if you are saying Trump looked at the situation and said, “my supporters will be so out of control that we had better put 10,000 troops between the people counting the votes and my supporters.”

Plus, if he were so concerned that he thought 10,000 troops were needed to protect Congress, why didn’t he tell the crowd “no violence. Do not attack anyone. Peaceful demonstrations.”

Furthermore, how do we explain Trump aides begging Trump for hours to make a statement encouraging peaceful retreating?

Like others in this thread, I’m going to call these claims Bantha poodoo.



ETA
please pardon my strong language.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

If you think the hearings are partisan, MSNBC has a montage below what the GOP legislators said right after the insurrection. Minute 1:40 for McConnell but then minute 2:36 for the full montage:

 

[mgidm86]

Just to drag my family business into this a little more....

My Dad after the dog and pony show (he used that line too, hmm): "I just saw Newt Gingrich say that Pelosi refused to supply 10,000 troops 4 days before Jan 6"

Me "That's a lie it never happened"

Dad "Really? Are you sure?" (at least he asked)

Sends links. "Look it up"

[EDIT: I see above someone maybe claiming it happened. I have seen no evidence but am happy to look if there is anything to it]

We had a "heated" text debate where I addressed every concern of his and he whatabouted etc. and I pointed that out to him as well.

He says "You can't trust either side they're like magicians with their misdirection!"

Me "I was taught how to think by a famous magician! He taught us all the tricks!" LOL!

I think he was a few sheets to the wind too. Me and my Dad have a great relationship and we can say anything to each other. He's a good man, and usually quite intelligent. I spent last weekend there with him.

I'm glad he watched. Now he can at least have some clue as to what and who I'm talking about from now on.

Maybe it's shocking hearing all of that after not knowing about ANY of it.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

This morning John Solomon broke a blockbuster story, based on documents he managed to obtain, that Trump authorized at least 20,000 National Guard troops at least four days before the January 6 riot but Pelosi turned down every request to use the troops.

https://justthenews.com/government/...onal-guard-capitol-four-days-jan-6-riots-memo

Tonight on Hannity, Solomon will discuss another newly obtained document that shows that the FBI warned the capitol police that they had intel that some of the protestors planned on storming the Capitol and committing violent actions, and that this information was conveyed to one of Sen. Schumer's aides but Schumer did nothing about it.

So it seems that Pelosi and Schumer may have actually wanted to allow radical Trump protestors to storm the Capitol so they could blame the riot on Trump, when it turns out that Trump was the one who approved 20,000 NG troops to protect the Capitol, that Pelosi and Schumer were the ones who rejected all requests to deploy troops, and that Schumer sat on intel that there some protestors would storm the Capitol.

Now that I've seen the first 2 hours of the hearing, this is what I think of the so-called blockbuster story:



You'd have to be a complete idiot to believe Rump wanted troops there after seeing how detailed Rump's plot was to stop the EC vote certification.

 

[mgidm86]

Now that I've seen the first 2 hours of the hearing, this is what I think of the so-called blockbuster story:



You'd have to be a complete idiot to believe Rump wanted troops there after seeing how detailed Rump's plot was to stop the EC vote certification.

But they'd have to see Rumps detailed plot to know about it. They refuse to look.

This is what's so frustrating about talking to someone about this. It's like you have to cover everything for them to make sense of it all.

Like how can I convince you this guy robbed that guy when you don't even know who that guy is? And if I tell you who he is I have to explain his backstory and then that leads to another thing....ya I'm gonna explain 6 years of madness?

I mean where do you start? LOL. Now it's on TV and that is why I wanted my Pop to see it. It's all laid out for you.

 

[Regnad Kcin]

DC politicians put together a prime time dog and pony show, and your concern is whether the network will air it? The fact that CSPAN isn't the source of truth on this tells us all we need to know.

I'm sorry that you felt your dad would be educated by political grandstanding. Sorry for your dad. Did you really need to parade your family business here?

Okay, I have you down for two Blowjob Liars with noodles, a Sweet ‘n Sour Benghazi over fried rice, and a Tan Soup Lo Mein. Would you like any drinks with that?

 

[mgidm86]

Okay, I have you down for two Blowjob Liars with noodles, a Sweet ‘n Sour Benghazi over fried rice, and a Tan Soup Lo Mein. Would you like any drinks with that?

Red whine.

For Trump supporters: That's a joke, like red as in you are red, and whine as in wine, but also whine as in you whine too much.

 

[Cain]

This morning John Solomon broke a blockbuster story, based on documents he managed to obtain, that Trump authorized at least 20,000 National Guard troops at least four days before the January 6 riot but Pelosi turned down every request to use the troops.

https://justthenews.com/government/...onal-guard-capitol-four-days-jan-6-riots-memo

Tonight on Hannity, Solomon will discuss another newly obtained document that shows that the FBI warned the capitol police that they had intel that some of the protestors planned on storming the Capitol and committing violent actions, and that this information was conveyed to one of Sen. Schumer's aides but Schumer did nothing about it.

So it seems that Pelosi and Schumer may have actually wanted to allow radical Trump protestors to storm the Capitol so they could blame the riot on Trump, when it turns out that Trump was the one who approved 20,000 NG troops to protect the Capitol, that Pelosi and Schumer were the ones who rejected all requests to deploy troops, and that Schumer sat on intel that there some protestors would storm the Capitol.

Thanks. I just knew that Pelosi and Schumer were to blame for the bad things that happened and now I have my reasons.