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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

Graham2001 said:
While many people call it 'Cancel Culture', the realitity is that it's more 'Censorship Culture', courtesy of the Spiked, a website that's just like a broken clock, here's an account of what's going on in the publishing industry.





https://www.spiked-online.com/2022/05/31/literature-is-being-terrorised-by-cancel-culture/




The other interesting article I stumbled across is from the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education discussing a couple of cases where schools initiated investigative processes worthy of Soviet Russia. In one case even announcing the person under investigation was guilty the same day the investigation started.





https://www.thefire.org/a-tale-of-t...-professors-at-central-florida-and-princeton/
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Lol imagine trying to make people feel bad for a guy that has a job where they explicitly have job security to make whatever bone-headed comments they like, but still manages to get fired because he's an unethical sex pest.

I dunno, if you're going to be an iconoclast anti-woke professor, probably best not to break ethical rules and jump into bed with undergrads or garner a reputation among your peers for being a creep. World's tiniest violin playing for this poor martyr.

Am I supposed to feel bad for a guy that made himself a nuisance then handed his employer a ready-made reason to fire him?
 
d4m10n said:
The cancellation of Reply All began with an online shaming campaign directed at the two founding podcasters and their producer for failing to enthusiastically support unionization at their company.
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I’m not questioning that. I’m just going from the headline of the paywalled article you linked to: ‘Reply All’ Podcast Is Paused After Accusations of Toxic Culture.

It has me scratching my head. Podcasting is the lowest cost media to produce. If there is still an audience for their content then I’m sure they will find a way to get it out. Call me when Apple refuses to post their content on their podcast app.
 
d4m10n said:
The cancellation of Reply All began with an online shaming campaign directed at the two founding podcasters and their producer for failing to enthusiastically support unionization at their company.
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Dude are you going to scour the entire Universe from end to end, finding every case of "People don't like something" and trying to turn it into a sinister conspiracy just to have the same discussion over and over?
 
Dr. Keith said:
I’m not questioning that. I’m just going from the headline of the paywalled article you linked to: ‘Reply All’ Podcast Is Paused After Accusations of Toxic Culture.

It has me scratching my head. Podcasting is the lowest cost media to produce. If there is still an audience for their content then I’m sure they will find a way to get it out. Call me when Apple refuses to post their content on their podcast app.
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Podcasters leaving one company and resuming essentially the same show under a different name is incredibly common. You're entirely correct that if there's still an audience for this show, there's 0 reason why it can't continue even if there's a falling out among the people and companies involved.

Seems much more obviously a failure caused by a workplace dispute around the wildly inequitable division of work and compensation rather than any "cancel culture". A top heavy organization collapsing in on itself after ignoring escalating complaints from the people actually doing all the grunt work for peanuts is a tale old as time.
 
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This thread is basically the "Todays Mass Shooting" thread. By now, every now and then someone furiously points at something while claiming "See, this is X" while it's so very obvious that it's actually not X at all but "With closed eyes and after 10 pints it could remotely resemble X but not really".
 
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JoeMorgue said:
Dude are you going to scour the entire Universe from end to end, finding every case of "People don't like something" and trying to turn it into a sinister conspiracy just to have the same discussion over and over?
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And somehow always choosing the absolute worst, least compelling examples of this allegedly happening. If someone was purposely trying to make "cancel culture" hand-wringers look stupid and ineffectual, they couldn't do a better job.

Case in point, let's not forget that this whole long, pointless thread was kicked off with the harrowing case of someone who a) didn't get "cancelled", b) didn't lose their job, and c) was granted a windfall of thousands of dollars for their trouble.
 
There's just nothing here. There's nothing talk about. Just a bunch of "Social pressures are being used against me and instead of in my favor and I'm irrationally angry about that" repeated over and over.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Dude are you going to scour the entire Universe from end to end, finding every case of "People don't like something" and trying to turn it into a sinister conspiracy just to have the same discussion over and over?
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Someone asked for a recent example; I provided an example of a podcast cancelled this month as the result of a process of cancellation many months in the making. Happened to be one of my favorites, so I've been tuned in for awhile now.

JoeMorgue said:
Just a bunch of "Social pressures are being used against me and instead of in my favor and I'm irrationally angry about that" repeated over and over.
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It takes an extra dash of chutzpah to frame up a strawman between quotation marks. Kudos!
 
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d4m10n said:
It takes an extra dash of chutzpah to frame a strawman between quotation marks. Kudos!
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Why does every wrong person A) think everything is a strawman and B) think direct quotes are the only valid reason to use quotation marks?
 
d4m10n said:
Someone asked for a recent cancellation, I provided an example of a podcast cancelled as of June 2022, as the result of a process of cancellation many months in the making.

It takes an extra dash of chutzpah to frame a strawman between quotation marks. Kudos!
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I'm still trying to figure out how an internal revolt of workers within a media company is "cancel culture". The highly contentious relationship between leaders and lowly workers at the company, culminating in a highly contentious and chaotic union drive, certainly sounds like a tough work environment. I can definitely understand why the whole enterprise fell apart, but I don't see what cancel culture has to do with any of it.
 
johnny karate said:
And somehow always choosing the absolute worst, least compelling examples of this allegedly happening. If someone was purposely trying to make "cancel culture" hand-wringers look stupid and ineffectual, they couldn't do a better job.

Case in point, let's not forget that this whole long, pointless thread was kicked off with the harrowing case of someone who a) didn't get "cancelled", b) didn't lose their job, and c) was granted a windfall of thousands of dollars for their trouble.
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To be fair, the thread was always intended to be a list of examples from the real world. See the title.

And I have been working hard to find the most petty examples from the real world. In some ways Bogative has inspired me. I’m just not focusing on black people cancelling stuff, because that would be racist.
 
d4m10n said:
The public shaming and social media fueled pile-ons, of course.
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Still seems like they could have just paid people more equitably and avoided the whole problem.

“Folks, we realized we were not doing things as well as we could. We changed that. Some people are happy about the change and others will make changes of their own, but we are trying to make life good for our whole team.”

- no ****** company ever
 
"Social pressure" has existed *checks notes* forever.

Why is bad, worse, or even different now? We've been asking this for years now and haven't gotten an answer that isn't "because now the wrong people are winning." (Ohhhh scawwwwy quotation marks, someone better throw a hissy fit over that...)
 
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