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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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smartcooky said:
As have certain other posters.

I guess there is no joy for them here when there aren't any blacks to blame.
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Nah, I've been waiting for any double-digit victim mass shooting that doesn't get mentioned here. Now here I am.

10 wounded in Charleston, South Carolina after a gun man/men opened fire during a block party. No suspect description available yet, but I'll report back as soon as there is available information regardless of race or ethnicity.

The shooting in Lafayette, Louisiana I mentioned earlier in the thread that no one here was bothered to be outraged about where 12 people were wounded in the downtown district also had a black man on the trigger.

https://www.katc.com/news/local-downtown-businesses-struck-during-early-sunday-morning-shooting

http://jades.lafayettesheriff.com:8888/index2.php?nav=record&id=765622


By my count, that is 17 mass shootings this year where the victim was in the double digits.
19 black males, 1 Latino male and 1 white male pulling the triggers.

There are at least 7 known shooters who have yet to be identified, likely many more than that.
 
Bogative said:
Nah, I've been waiting for any double-digit victim mass shooting that doesn't get mentioned here. Now here I am.

10 wounded in Charleston, South Carolina after a gun man/men opened fire during a block party. No suspect description available yet, but I'll report back as soon as there is available information regardless of race or ethnicity.
The shooting in Lafayette, Louisiana I mentioned earlier in the thread that no one here was bothered to be outraged about where 12 people were wounded in the downtown district also had a black man on the trigger.
https://www.katc.com/news/local-downtown-businesses-struck-during-early-sunday-morning-shooting

http://jades.lafayettesheriff.com:8888/index2.php?nav=record&id=765622


By my count, that is 17 mass shootings this year where the victim was in the double digits.
19 black males, 1 Latino male and 1 white male pulling the triggers.

There are at least 7 known shooters who have yet to be identified, likely many more than that.
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Please tell us, was that evil black man right- or lefthanded? Did he wear glasses? What's his shoe size?
 
New report: Teacher didn't leave door propped open.
Four days after saying that the gunman who massacred children in a Uvalde, Tex., elementary school had gotten inside through a door “propped open by a teacher,” the state agency investigating the massacre now says the educator had closed the door.

The teacher shut the door behind her, but it “did not lock as it should,” Travis Considine, chief of communications with the Texas Department of Public Safety, said in a brief telephone interview Tuesday. “And now investigators are looking into why that was.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/31/uvalde-teacher-door-closed/
 
Hlafordlaes said:
How minimally insightful! No one need fear they are the chosen target of random crime, but those persons or groups targeted owing to ideological or conspiratorial causes against them do have reason to fear.
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alfaniner said:
Back to reporting about the stupid door again. It was stated that the teacher actually closed the door and she heard the shooter was on the premises, but it didn't lock. What the reports haven't said is, was that before or after he entered the school? Ultimately I guess it doesn't make any difference, but it's an important part of the story.
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A scapegoat has been found - that's all that matters.

The fact that in any other country in the developed world it wouldn't have resulted in a school shooting is neither here nor there. It's not access to guns that's the problem or the lack of action from the police for over an hour, it's that some poor teacher may, or may not, have left a door open who is the real villain of the peace here. :mad:
 
Chanakya said:
That was ...outstanding!

I don't know which one was funnier, this, or Trump reading out trying to read out those names in time with those bells.
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The best one was that Trump and the NRA seem to acknowledge that 'a good guy with at gun' doesn't work. At least, they don't seem to object to guns being banned at one of their events:

Visitors to the NRA's Annual Meetings & Exhibits can carry firearms "in accordance with Texas law," a spokesman said, referencing the conference website.
The exception to this rule is the NRA-ILA Leadership Forum, where former President Donald Trump will speak on May 27. ILA refers to the Insitute for Legislative Action, the lobbying arm of the NRA. The Secret Service, not the NRA, is banning guns at that portion of the event, along with numerous other items.
Fact Check: Guns banned from Trump NRA speech by Secret Service policy (USA Today)
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Trevor Noah had a great piece tonight on stopping gun violence. He covered all the GOP excuse bases. It's ~10 minutes well worth the time. It is what we already know but he gets down to the excuses in precise terms.

 
Captain_Swoop said:
I have no objection to anyone owning multiple rifles or pistols but it's not as if they were even collecting historic or unusual guns in any kind of thoughtful way.

They are just hoarding.
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Not so much hoarding, but conspicuous consumption. A bizarre American version of the tasteless rich people that amass sports cars or collect designer handbags.

Having a professional photographer come photograph their tacky wall of nearly identical AR-15s was probably the thrill of a lifetime. Now everyone can look at how much money they have in a glossy magazine.
 
dudalb said:
It's clear that the tide in Texas has turned against the Uvalde police. Even those who usually support the police are screming for blood over this. Their stonewalling this will not work; it will just result in a even bigger probe.
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The courts are clear that the police have no obligation to do anything and going in is at their discretion. Why are people who support the police so much upset with them using their discretion as they see fit? They are happy to have cops ignore things like orders of protection and enforce them only when they see fit why is this so different?
 
ponderingturtle said:
And why the cop defenders are upset over this, remember blue lives matter, and that is clear they matter more than kids.
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Remember our real heroes, brave grade schoolers and teachers that put their bodies on the line to protect cops. The thin crayon line.
 
ponderingturtle said:
The courts are clear that the police have no obligation to do anything and going in is at their discretion. Why are people who support the police so much upset with them using their discretion as they see fit? They are happy to have cops ignore things like orders of protection and enforce them only when they see fit why is this so different?
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This probe is going to show what is already plainly true. Cops absolutely abdicated their duty in waiting, contrary to well known best practices that are commonly understood in a country where these kinds of shootings are commonplace. Even their own training manuals and policies explicitly instruct cops to do the opposite of what they did in this situation, for any on-scene cops to immediately engage the shooter as they are and not wait for backup or special equipment. There's no explanation beyond some combination of incompetence and cowardice.

My predictions is that the probe will:

1) Confirm what we already know now, that police inaction directly lead to more kids being killed. A closer review will show that several were killed during the inexplicable delayed response that otherwise would likely have lived had cops done their jobs swiftly. A by-the-minute timeline of the shooter is going to be extremely damning to the cops because it's going to be fairly easy to designate victims that were killed or wounded during the inexplicable delay that arguably would have survived had the cops acted promptly.

2) Very likely show that some people who died could have survived had medical aid been offered promptly, rather than delayed for nearly an hour while cops pissed their pants and wrestled parents. Gunshot wounds are often survivable if treated quickly. The cops' explanation of this turning into a "barricade" hostage situation makes no sense considering they absolutely know that people had been shot and likely needed immediate medical aid to survive. Even if you take the cops word on this, they doomed people to die who might otherwise have lived. Cops sat on their hands while victims slowly bled out.

3) I suspect and think there's a not-remote chance that cops shot a kid during their raid. Maybe this would be excusable had the cops acted promptly, because such confrontations are inherently chaotic and dangerous, but in this circumstance all good-will from the public is exhausted.

Like you say, such blatant abdication of duty is not a crime. This is strictly a political problem. What remains to be seen is how the public reacts and what demands they make of their local government in response.

So far, it seems grim. The city is doing the typical thing of circling the wagons around their indifferent-to-life cops:

Uvalde school police chief sworn into council in secret amid criticism over shooting response
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https://www.tpr.org/news/2022-05-31/uvalde-school-police-chief-sworn-into-council-in-secret-amid-criticism-over-shooting-response

Swearing in a disgraced cop like thieves in the night. Shame on everyone who facilitated this farce.
 
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dudalb said:
As opposed to those who hate all cops, which ,sadly, forms a majority here.
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I don't think one needs to "hate all cops" to recognise a huge problem in this case. Conversely, shouting "you only say that because you hate all cops" at people rightly pointing out the huge problem is not a good look.
 
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