The Russian Invasion of Ukraine Part 4

[SpitfireIX]

Here is the exact quote, per CNN: '"I won't send anything that can fire into Russia,' Biden said at the White House on Monday when asked whether he was planning to send long-range rockets to Ukraine."

Frankly this doesn't make a lot of sense, because the US and Canada have already sent artillery and ammunition that can hit the Russian city of Belgorod from inside Ukraine. So I hope this is just another case of Biden's going off script.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Russian President Vladimir Putin has said Russia is ready to facilitate the unhindered export of grain from Ukrainian ports in co-ordination with Turkey, Reuters reported.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/wor...9517464259031cb5a259f0&pinned_post_type=share

 

[BobTheCoward]

That's a ridiculous non sequitur. Putin wants the Baltic States back in the Russian empire. He would attack them if he thought he could get away with it. And appeasement over Ukraine would make that more likely.

Okay. Non interference is not appeasement

 

[Andy_Ross]

The European Commission are to blame for a lack of progress on Russia oil sanctions Viktor Orban has told reporters. He also said he would only agree to the European Union's latest proposals for sanctions against Russia if solutions are found to guarantee his country's energy supply first.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61629260

 

[The Don]

Here is the exact quote, per CNN: '"I won't send anything that can fire into Russia,' Biden said at the White House on Monday when asked whether he was planning to send long-range rockets to Ukraine."

Frankly this doesn't make a lot of sense, because the US and Canada have already sent artillery and ammunition that can hit the Russian city of Belgorod from inside Ukraine. So I hope this is just another case of Biden's going off script.

Send something with a 2000 mile range and its clear that the target is likely Russia. Something with a 100 mile range - plausible deniability

 

[sackett]

Okay. Non interference is not appeasement

Oh.

Yes.

It.

Is.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Oh.

Yes.

It.

Is.

appeasing is to placate someone by giving into their demands. Ignoring their demands is not placating.

 

[theprestige]

Send something with a 2000 mile range and its clear that the target is likely Russia. Something with a 100 mile range - plausible deniability

LOL. Try 186 miles for the long range versions*. Compare with 20-40 miles for the "regular" version. Compare with 13 to 40 miles for typical 155mm howitzers.

Biden is being a scumbag here. The ability to out range enemy artillery is a huge factor in saving lives and equipment, and in winning battles. Withholding longer range artillery and forcing the Ukrainians to close with the Russians, just to avoid antagonizing Putin, is both evil and stupid.
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*There's a missile variant with a 300 mile range.

 

[lobosrul5]

LOL. Try 186 miles for the long range versions*. Compare with 20-40 miles for the "regular" version. Compare with 13 to 40 miles for typical 155mm howitzers.

Biden is being a scumbag here. The ability to out range enemy artillery is a huge factor in saving lives and equipment, and in winning battles. Withholding longer range artillery and forcing the Ukrainians to close with the Russians, just to avoid antagonizing Putin, is both evil and stupid.
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*There's a missile variant with a 300 mile range.

I really hope it was a Biden gaffe, and he meant we won't send anything that can hit Moscow from Ukraine. Guess we'll see. I still don't know the end game for Ukraine... They take back all their territory and Russia can still hit many of their cities near the border, or they invade and... That really could escalate to thermonuclear warfare.

 

[Craig4]

Here is the exact quote, per CNN: '"I won't send anything that can fire into Russia,' Biden said at the White House on Monday when asked whether he was planning to send long-range rockets to Ukraine."

Frankly this doesn't make a lot of sense, because the US and Canada have already sent artillery and ammunition that can hit the Russian city of Belgorod from inside Ukraine. So I hope this is just another case of Biden's going off script.

I think he's talking about the longest range rockets the MLRS can fire. Clearly, we've sent lots of ammunition that can fire a short distance into Russia.

 

[theprestige]

I really hope it was a Biden gaffe, and he meant we won't send anything that can hit Moscow from Ukraine.

Why would this even come up? Nothing in the MLRS catalog can hit Moscow from Ukraine. Nobody is talking about hitting Moscow from Ukraine. Why on earth would Biden be answering questions nobody is asking?

 

[Ziggurat]

Why would this even come up? Nothing in the MLRS catalog can hit Moscow from Ukraine. Nobody is talking about hitting Moscow from Ukraine. Why on earth would Biden be answering questions nobody is asking?

Because he's a ******* moron. Remember "minor incursion"? Biden doesn't know what he's saying, he doesn't know what he's doing. He isn't actually even in charge.

 

[a_unique_person]

Why would this even come up? Nothing in the MLRS catalog can hit Moscow from Ukraine. Nobody is talking about hitting Moscow from Ukraine. Why on earth would Biden be answering questions nobody is asking?

You and I know exactly what he means. He doesn't want to support long range weapons that facilitate strikes deep into Russia.

 

[Klimax]

You and I know exactly what he means. He doesn't want to support long range weapons that facilitate strikes deep into Russia.

Idiotic. Just let Ukraine rain fire on Russian military stuff deep in Russia.

 

[Pixel42]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61638860

European Union leaders have agreed on a plan to block more than two-thirds of Russian oil imports.

The ban will only affect oil that arrives by sea but not pipeline oil, following opposition from Hungary.

European Council chief Charles Michel said the deal cut off "a huge source of financing" for the Russian war machine.

Better than nothing.

 

[jimbob]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61638860



Better than nothing.

Pretty much my view

 

[Andy_Ross]

Because he's a ******* moron. Remember "minor incursion"? Biden doesn't know what he's saying, he doesn't know what he's doing. He isn't actually even in charge.

Looks like you are suggesting some kind of conspiracy.

 

[The Don]

Looks like you are suggesting some kind of conspiracy.

For those on the right, Biden is an incompetent rambling liability whereas President Trump was and is a genius playing elebenty million dimensional chess.

 

[The Don]

Meanwhile, Russia is continuing to grind away on the Eastern front.

"We need long-range artillery. The Russians are firing at us from a distance constantly. They have an enormous reserve of shells and they just fire at our positions for hours," Haidai said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/wor...95cb614259031cb5a25a2a&pinned_post_type=share

Pound towns and cities to rubble and then advance into the wasteland. The reports from Ukrainian intelligence (and echoed by the UK and US) are that the Russians are sustaining heavy losses and suffering low morale. Both armies have been in the field for months now and it's understandable that they're getting worn pretty thin. Unfortunately, there's no indication that the Russians are going to crack any time soon. They're continuing to grind away in the East and they're holding their positions around Kharkiv and in the South.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

appeasing is to placate someone by giving into their demands. Ignoring their demands is not placating.

The local bully took over your neighbours garage in 2014. Declared it was his now and defied anyone to do anything about it. Now he wants their spare bedroom too, and is throwing your neighbour's property into the yard.

There are no police in this scenario. The community should just let him do it, right? I mean he'll probably leave everyone else alone.