• Quick note - the problem with Youtube videos not embedding on the forum appears to have been fixed, thanks to ZiprHead. If you do still see problems let me know.

Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

Status
Not open for further replies.
shemp said:
face any appropriate criminal charges.
Click to expand...

There are none. The court rulings are entirely unambiguous about this. Not only is it not criminal, cops cannot be sued for abandoning their duty to the public.
 
Last edited:
lobosrul5 said:
I mean in this case he certainly had time to fire way more than 30 rounds from a bolt-action rifle, whether made for deer hunting or not.
Click to expand...

How long do you think that would take? Operating the bolt after every shot creates a pause during which people might rush a shooter or run. And most bolt-action rifles need to be reloaded every four or five rounds with one cartridge at a time, which also creates the opportunity to fight or run. How can anyone possibly compare them to semi-autos with 30-round mags that can be replaced in a second?
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
It's a situation I have encountered in real life, the Crazy people who shoot at people can't be stopped unless people take action. These idiots are taking vengeance for wrongs they Imagine because they don't have the Brains to admitt they are the cause of their own problems. They want to go out in a blaze of Glory because they can't handle the stress of their own lives, and they want to take as many Innocent people with them as they can.
It's pure Insanity and if Cops can't handle it they shouldn't be cops.
Click to expand...
And let's not forget, these good guys with guns are the GOP solution to the problem.
 
Warp12 said:
Well, again...it seems to me that the cops were not well-prepared. I think calling them cowards is really taking the easy way out of analyzing a very complex and difficult situation. Probably if the border patrol guys got shot dead and this psycho shot 10 more kids, people would say, "Why did they rush in without a plan? What were they thinking? They were brave but stupid, and it cost more lives".
Click to expand...

Well yes. But the idea is that EVERY cop in US should be well prepared for this very situation by now.
 
Bob001 said:
How much research is needed? Every mass shooting in recent decades has been conducted with semi-auto weapons, not revolvers, not bolt-action rifles. Does real-world evidence count?
Click to expand...

I think there might be a pump shotgun or two in there, I remember a shooting at a naval base that I think the shooter used a shotgun.
 
Conservatives: “lol! Look at the stoopid libs upset at dead kids because the police wouldn’t do anything. Lol!”
 
Thermal said:
Wait, what? That didn't happen?
Click to expand...

I'm getting confused myself.

Maybe it did after all. I suppose I'll check news reports as updated.


When I wrote that post, I was under the assumption that they arrived, and formed some sort of "tactical stack", I think was the term being used.

Here in this thread, it seems like people are saying that the local police were fidgeting trying to figure out what to do and the BP agents came in, went past the cops, and directly in as soon as they got there.

So, maybe it did happen, just not quite the way I initially pictured it.
 
Warp12 said:
If I am planning to shoot up a school and I can't get a semi-auto, I am just canceling the plan. "I mean, yeah, I'm a deadly psycho killer who wants to mass-murder schoolchildren...but with a pistol, shotgun, or bolt action rifle? That would really be crazy!"
Click to expand...

They might still do it, but they'd do less damage and be easier to fight or stop.
 
I don't want to be accused of "politicizing the tragedy", but what are the odds that we eventually get a repeat of the Parkland, Florida response?

"If I'd been the guard at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High I'd have run to get the gunman even if I'd been unarmed!"
-- You Know Who

He's going to be at the upcoming NRA conference, after all.
 
shemp said:
Whether they did or didn't take fire, they got the job done while the cops did nothing. If this turns out to be true, every cop there needs to be fired and replaced, and face any appropriate criminal charges.
Click to expand...

There probably is no statute on the books that they violated. And with qualified immunity they can't be civilly prosecuted.
 
There are various claims online that the NRA meeting in Houston starting tomorrow (27th May) has banned guns, but that is not the case;

https://www.nraam.org/attend/firearms-policy/

"During the 151st NRA Annual Meetings & Exhibits, personal firearms may be carried in the George R. Brown Convention Center (GRBCC) in accordance with Texas law. When carrying your firearm, always adhere to all federal, state, and local laws."
 
Nessie said:
There are various claims online that the NRA meeting in Houston starting tomorrow (27th May) has banned guns, but that is not the case;

https://www.nraam.org/attend/firearms-policy/

"During the 151st NRA Annual Meetings & Exhibits, personal firearms may be carried in the George R. Brown Convention Center (GRBCC) in accordance with Texas law. When carrying your firearm, always adhere to all federal, state, and local laws."
Click to expand...


Why would they ban guns from the meeting? To stop an angry liberal from attempting a revenge shooting over their frustration with the NRA?
 
Last edited:
I saw another story of survival that was quite terrifying, but I don't know the timeline. It involved a kid being attended to by an EMT. She was blood covered, but I don't know if she had been in the room the entire time, or if she escaped before the gunmen barricaded himself in.

The horrifying part was that she was covered in blood, but not hurt. When the EMT rushed to her, she said it wasn't her blood, but her best friend was dead. She wasn't breathing. The EMT asked her what was the name of her best friend, and she answered with the name of the EMT's daughter. That's how the guy found out his daughter had died in the attack.

I don't know if the girl had been in the room the whole time, and if so, why she wasn't killed by the gunman.
 
Bob001 said:
.... In the U.S., pretty much anybody other than convicted felons can legally get any kind of firearm short of a machine gun.
Click to expand...
Machine guns are routinely sold to anyone who fills out the tax stamp correctly.

Ranb
 
Nessie said:
There are various claims online that the NRA meeting in Houston starting tomorrow (27th May) has banned guns, but that is not the case;
.....
Click to expand...


They are prohibited while Trump is there.
Upon the news of Trump’s attendance, the NRA announced that the hall where the former president will speak will be secured by the Secret Service. No weapons or firearms will be allowed in the building, and no storage for firearms will be provided.
Click to expand...
https://www.deseret.com/u-s-world/2...-donald-trump-nra-forum-texas-uvalde-shooting
 
Last edited:
To clarify, a Border Patrol tactical team came to the incident because local police requested them. The team took an unspecified about of time to "put a tactical stack together in a very orderly way", although it has been reported that they needed to wait for a faculty member to bring the key to the classroom door so that they could "breach and assault" the shooter.

Original reports about a lone CBP agent "running in without backup and taking down the shooter" were false.
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom