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Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

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lauwenmark said:
Because - shocking news - I have already read research on the topic. The CDC is not the only group of scientists doing research, you know. What makes you think the recommendations issued by the CDC would be any different from those previously formulated in existing studies? And what makes you think they won't get ignored just the same?

The problem is not that solutions aren't known. The real problem is that a significant part of the population is against them.
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It might well be that the CDC wouldn't come up with anything new. The issue is that the CDC has been explicitly prohibited from conducting research by cowardly politicians who fear that it might. That's what's shameful. It's also worth noting that research and recommendations by the CDC would carry more weight with legislators and the public than ordinary academic papers, which helps to explain politicians' fears.
 
Kimmel has worthwhile comments:


Hard to watch Jimmy Kimmel talking about this school shooting without crying. He has kids the age of those killed. The juxtaposed news clips are heartbreaking.
 
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lauwenmark said:
Because - shocking news - I have already read research on the topic. The CDC is not the only group of scientists doing research, you know. What makes you think the recommendations issued by the CDC would be any different from those previously formulated in existing studies? And what makes you think they won't get ignored just the same?

The problem is not that solutions aren't known. The real problem is that a significant part of the population [that pays big bucks to keep these yahoos in power] is against them.
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The messaging allows gun nuts to be louder than the majority of the population. The messaging convinces people, like flies to a light, like Rump and his cult, to believe in their precious gun rights and speak very loudly about it. They don't stop to think they can have those guns even with common sense gun regulation.

As for the CDC research being ineffective, that is not the result of the research, it is the fault of GOP legislators who stand in the way of implementing any interventions.
 
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I think some people here are jumping to conclusions and passing judgment on what the cops did or didn't do and why before we know exactly what happened.


Sgt. Erick Estrada of the Texas Department of Public Safety told CNN that when the shooter got to the school, he encountered a school resource officer, dropped a black bag with ammunition inside and entered the school.

The shooter barricaded himself inside adjoining classrooms and opened fire on the children and two teachers, Olivarez said, calling the act “complete evil.”

With the shooter barricaded inside, officers were at a disadvantage, he said.

“There was not sufficient manpower at that time, and their primary focus was to preserve any further loss of life,” he told CNN. “They started breaking windows around the school and trying to rescue, evacuate children and teachers while that was going on.”

A tactical team of local and federal officers arrived, forced its way into the classroom and shot the gunman dead, Olivarez said.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-wednesday/index.html
 
This video may be important. There is nothing visually graphic in it, but it will likely be disturbing nonetheless. There is graphic language.



This video was recorded from part of a Facebook livestream by someone outside the school during the attack. There are dozens of parents, and what certainly looks like a substantial police presence that is generally milling around not doing anything. Sounds that I take to be gunfire begin around five seconds into the clip, and the parents become more agitated and desperate with each volley, screaming at the police to take some action, any action. Some attempt to lunge past the police tape and are tackled to the ground.

We know from police statements so far that there was no protracted shootout between them and the attacker, so all of the shots heard during the clip must be from the attacker, who was at that point locked in the classroom with his victims.
 
Checkmite said:
This video may be important. There is nothing visually graphic in it, but it will likely be disturbing nonetheless. There is graphic language.



This video was recorded from part of a Facebook livestream by someone outside the school during the attack. There are dozens of parents, and what certainly looks like a substantial police presence that is generally milling around not doing anything. Sounds that I take to be gunfire begin around five seconds into the clip, and the parents become more agitated and desperate with each volley, screaming at the police to take some action, any action. Some attempt to lunge past the police tape and are tackled to the ground.

We know from police statements so far that there was no protracted shootout between them and the attacker, so all of the shots heard during the clip must be from the attacker, who was at that point locked in the classroom with his victims.
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I don't have the stomach to watch it but it sounds pretty conclusive there was indeed police inaction.

I still agree with Stacy, let the dust settle, wait for the facts. They might contradict what can be seen on the video I can't watch.
 
Gov. Abbott, mental health pioneer:
UVALDE, Texas — Gov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday that the Uvalde school shooter had a "mental health challenge" and the state needed to "do a better job with mental health" — yet in April he slashed $211 million from the department that oversees mental health programs.

In addition, Texas ranked last out of all 50 states and the District of Columbia for overall access to mental health care, according to the 2021 State of Mental Health in America report.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/abbott-calls-texas-school-shooting-232258543.html
 
Reports multiply:
The gunman who killed 19 students and two teachers at a Texas elementary school Tuesday was on the premises for up to an hour before law enforcement forcibly entered a classroom and killed him, officials said Wednesday.

“It’s going to be within, like 40 minutes or something, (within) an hour,” Texas Department of Public Safety director Steven McCraw told CNN’s Ed Lavandera at a news conference.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/u...ed-him/ar-AAXGzkk?ocid=mailsignout&li=BBnb7Kz
 
Rolfe said:
You know, I actually read that as Hungerford the first time. You see what you expect.
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Yeah, the human brain fills things in. A quiet little village made famous by a lunatic with a murderous death-wish.
 
Meadmaker said:
I'm good with that decision, for reasons related to what lauwenmark said.

(Welcome, Lauenmark, I don't think I've seen your posts before.)

I want the CDC to be studying germs. You don't need an MD or PhD to figure out that guns kill people.
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Gun violence, including domestic violence and suicides, is very much a public health matter. One the US Republican party does not want studied.
 
shemp said:
What the hell kind of doors are on classrooms nowadays? I never went to a school where the doors couldn't be kicked in or broken through by one or two strong guys. Do schools have doors like they have at Fort Knox now?
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Perhaps a reaction to all those school shootings? Abbott did fund some school fortification efforts.
 
Vice has also noticed some inexplicable contradictions in police statements about the timeline of the event. It's not unusual, in the wake of massive events like this, for early timelines to get the order of key events slightly muddled and an accurate accounting usually emerges within a couple of days. But some of these inconsistencies seem strangely drastic.

In press conferences after the event, a DPS sergeant said that after the shooter crashed his truck, a school resource officer and then two Uvalde police officers who were already at the scene tried to stop him but were unable to keep him from entering a classroom, but they kept him "contained" there while they called for a tactical unit which arrived and "eliminated the threat".

However sometime later, a DPS lieutenant gave a very different account to media, saying that responding school and city police could already hear gunshots coming from a classroom when they arrived on scene, and tried to enter the classroom but were repelled by the shooter, and then began evacuating nearby classrooms while they waited for backup to arrive.

Confusing everything, and not mentioned in the Vice article, is reports that mainstream outlets began circulating around the time of the first press conferences, telling a story about a lone Border Patrol agent who was nearby and "rushed into the school without waiting for backup and shot and killed the gunman". This report has since been deleted by reputable outlets that carried it, although it was widely carried and remains posted on right-wing commentary sites like this one. DPS would later tell media that tactical team either comprised of or including CBP officers made entry and were able to kill the shooter, but later still added that the team took "somewhere between 40 minutes to an hour" to arrive and when they did, they had to wait for some member of the school faculty to provide a key to open the classroom door before they could enter.

Tweets by the DHS about the tactical team's role state that they "placed themselves between the shooter and children on the scene to draw the shooter's attention away from potential victims and save lives", but if the shooter was "contained" to one classroom, and had free command of that classroom for as long as an hour, how many children could possibly have remained that hadn't already been shot? How big was the classroom that this whole team was able to "place themselves" between the shooter and...some children, apparently; why couldn't they shoot at him directly from the door - and if they could've, why didn't they? I hope the answers to these questions prove simple in the end, but it's hard not to get the feeling that the police agencies involved are being defensive and selective about the information they release, considering the shooter is dead.

Vice does provide a timeline of the events that, at the moment, can be assigned a precise time:

11:20 AM: First 911 calls about the truck crashing in the drainage canal adjacent to the school property; witnesses report a person with a gun, backpack, and possible body armor heading toward the school

11:43 AM: School district communicates a lockdown to local media; Uvalde Police Facebook page posts that the elementary school is an active police scene and people should avoid the area

12:17 PM: School district announces "active shooter" at the elementary school on social media

1:06 PM: Uvalde Police post to social media that the shooter is "in custody".
 
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