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Stacyhs said:
Did you have a massive anti-gun control "but mah freeeeedoms!" public and political party fighting against this sensible act?
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There was political consensus which resulted in 700,000 semi automatics and handguns purchased by the government, handed in or confiscated.

https://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opin...es-revealed-25-years-on-from-port-arthur.html

In 1997, the year after the Port Arthur massacre, Australia had 6.52 licensed firearm owners per 100 population. By 2020, that proportion had almost halved, to 3.41 licensed gun owners for every 100 people.
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Mass gun massacres ceased after this.
 
Rolfe said:
How a sunny Uvalde school day ended in bloodshed

This BBC version seems to have got its ducks in a row as far as I can see. There have been several updates which have corrected errors, so they seem to have been checking. Of course, they could still be wrong, but it seems like a decent account.
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I'm a bit confused, still, but I suppose more will come out.

It seems like there was one cop who worked at the school, and two others from the local PD, who were on the scene as the shooter got out of his car, firing.

But they couldn't keep him from getting into the school. It said they shot at him. Body armor saved the shooter maybe? With three guys shooting at him, it seems like they ought to have been able to do something to stop him, especially as he had already fired shots.

Or did they try and capture him, ordering him to stay still or get down or such, and only shoot when they realized he was not going to stop? I was picturing the ditch as something a long way from the school, but maybe it was a short run.

I don't know, and it doesn't much matter. It's a pity they didn't kill him on the way in, and the people close to the matter will be asking the same questions. Maybe they'll share the answers.

ETA: But, I've heard people calling for armed guards at schools. I guess those people haven't heard that the school actually had an armed guard, and it did no good.
 
Meadmaker said:
I'm a bit confused, still, but I suppose more will come out.

It seems like there was one cop who worked at the school, and two others from the local PD, who were on the scene as the shooter got out of his car, firing.

But they couldn't keep him from getting into the school. It said they shot at him. Body armor saved the shooter maybe? With three guys shooting at him, it seems like they ought to have been able to do something to stop him, especially as he had already fired shots.

Or did they try and capture him, ordering him to stay still or get down or such, and only shoot when they realized he was not going to stop? I was picturing the ditch as something a long way from the school, but maybe it was a short run.

I don't know, and it doesn't much matter. It's a pity they didn't kill him on the way in, and the people close to the matter will be asking the same questions. Maybe they'll share the answers.

ETA: But, I've heard people calling for armed guards at schools. I guess those people haven't heard that the school actually had an armed guard, and it did no good.
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Yes, but a good guy with a gun!
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Fox guest suggests parents should be purchasing "ballistic blankets" for children instead of toys and games.

video in link

https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1529231148689285120
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If fox news is "suggesting" it then it is beyond doubt that a significant percentage of Americans agree with the "suggestion". A sick society getting sicker by the day.

And there are posts in this thread that provide more than adequate examples of the reasons why I seldom bother coming to these forums any more.
 
Steve said:
If fox news is "suggesting" it then it is beyond doubt that a significant percentage of Americans agree with the "suggestion". A sick society getting sicker by the day.

And there are posts in this thread that provide more than adequate examples of the reasons why I seldom bother coming to these forums any more.
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Utter pants-on-your-head lunacy spoken in earnest.
 
Meadmaker said:
ETA: But, I've heard people calling for armed guards at schools. I guess those people haven't heard that the school actually had an armed guard, and it did no good.
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Columbine had an armed guard, approached the shooters outside the building, exchanged gunfire with the two gun students and thought he almost hit one. But then they fired back and entered the building anyway.

Stoneman Douglas had an armed guard. He hid behind a trash can until more cops arrived.

People calling for armed guards at schools might need to be schooled as to the effectiveness of these guards.
 
Steve said:
If fox news is "suggesting" it then it is beyond doubt that a significant percentage of Americans agree with the "suggestion". A sick society getting sicker by the day.

And there are posts in this thread that provide more than adequate examples of the reasons why I seldom bother coming to these forums any more.
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If the US does go to hell be carefull; it might drag Canada down with it.
I am getting a little tired of schanfeurde about the US on display here.
 
crescent said:
Columbine had an armed guard, approached the shooters outside the building, exchanged gunfire with the two gun students and thought he almost hit one. But then they fired back and entered the building anyway.

Stoneman Douglas had an armed guard. He hid behind a trash can until more cops arrived.

People calling for armed guards at schools might need to be schooled as to the effectiveness of these guards.
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All teachers should have guns and body armor to protect our children. Too bad they're lazy govt. employees who'd rather teach CRT on Zoom in their Disney-themed jamjams.
 
Checkmite said:
Political action is the only way to prevent or even just somewhat mitigate incidents like these, so it makes no sense to arbitrarily impose some "no political talk around this incident for X amount of time" rule.

But if you insist on doing so, I would point out that it has been a week and a half since the weekend of carnage that included separate mass shootings in Buffalo, Los Angeles, Chicago, and elsewhere; surely that's a long enough delay that it's now okay to "politicize" those incidents instead. The arguments and talking points will be largely the same.
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The only way to somewhat mitigate incidents like this is for the people of this country to collectively decide they have had enough. The people with the guns, to be more precise. The rest of us are already sick of it.

What will change their minds if not this? To my sister, how the hell can you walk around with an NRA shirt? Why are these guns so important to you?

To stop events like Jan 6? Ya sure, the militia groups are the ones who perpetrated it! That argument is dead. In this case I might argue that you are the oppressors, not the government. You will not budge while 6 year olds are gunned down. We all suffer because of you.

Until this happens no restrictions will be effective. Where there is a will there is a way, and that will needs to be removed.

As for "it's too soon", that is a crock of poo. We have a new shooting every week so I guess it's always too soon.

Gun owners: is there anything that would convince you to give up your guns? All of them? Do you feel any shame at all when you hear these stories?

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I'm thinking about changing how I fish because I am getting bothered by catching and releasing (torturing fish) for fun.

I am willing to at least question my hobby on moral grounds, and those are just fish. Do you ever do this when children are killed? If it does ever bother you, how do you justify or rationalize it away?
 
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Well I guess the normal 'gun enthusiast' simply thinks it's not his problem, as he wouldn't do that. If anything, he would take gun violence is one of the reason to arm himself.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Well I guess the normal 'gun enthusiast' simply thinks it's not his problem, as he wouldn't do that. If anything, he would take gun violence is one of the reason to arm himself.
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Like the snake eating it's own tail. Gotta arm yourself to protect yourself from the guns that they love! You are correct, they don't think they are the problem. They don't think guns are the problem.

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Also these are some of the people that guns are stolen from. Those folks are part of the problem, directly. "We didn't think junior would find the gun." Heard that one more than a few times.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
mandatory gun insurance would be one thing.
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Yeah, great. Because giving money is a solution when someone lost a relative in a shooting, Sure.
Now, that's going to save lives... How, exactly?

A tax on gifting/inheriting guns would provide both the funds and the data to monitor where a lot of currently obscure guns are.
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So what? The problem is not about finding where old guns are. It's that any random guy can buy military-grade weapons with zero control. That's just a measure to give people the reassuring feeling that 'something has been done'.

Pushing money into the CDC doing a lot more research on gun deaths.
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More research?! What is there to research? How much funding do you think is needed to demonstrate that selling assault guns without control is a bad idea?
 
Meadmaker said:
I've gotten kind of confused reading about the response of local cops. Last night I read, and posted here, that there was a school cop on the scene, but other accounts seem to indicate the school cop arrived on the scene after the shooting started.

I was surprised to hear that there was a school cop at an elementary school at all.
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Cops -- not security guards but actual armed police officers -- are routinely assigned to U.S. schools They're often called "resource officers." It sounds like that's what this school had.
The gunman encountered a school district police officer, who wasn't able to stop him, Estrada said.

"He was engaged by an Uvalde ISD police officer who works here at the school. And then after that, he was engaged by two other officers from the Uvalde Police Department," Estrada said.
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https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/25/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting-what-we-know/index.html
 
lauwenmark said:
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More research?! What is there to research? How much funding do you think is needed to demonstrate that selling assault guns without control is a bad idea?
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The CDC has been explicitly prohibited by Congress from spending money to examine gun violence, broadly, as a public health problem.
 
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