Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

[TurkeysGhost]

Curious to find out the details of how this guy who crashed his truck and got into a shootout with cops managed to gain entry to the school and gun down victims without interference.

The smart better would guess "the cops ran away to wait for backup" as the answer.

 

[Thermal]

Yes this is obvious. Are you happy with this?

An honest answer would be “I accept gun deaths, including massacres of young children, is an acceptable cost of our second amendment rights”.

Are you prepared to make this statement?

Switch 2nd amendment to first and swish it around. Does it still feel right?

For me, it's not about owning guns. It's about the type of civilian guns available and the lack of regulation.

 

[Stellafane]

I'd argue that the NRA, gun manufacturers and right wing politicians have been doing this for years, decades even.

Bad enough, but how far away are we from having certain political factions entertain the "gun massacre option" as a way of promoting their agendas? A few years ago such a question would seem alarmist hyperbole. But after January 6, I have to wonder if even now there's some people thinking, "if we'd only brought some guns!" Normalize gun massacres, and maybe a lot more people start thinking it.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Not a comforting prospect. Because once people decide something is normal, they'll start looking for ways to put it to use to benefit themselves.

They make great advertising for a specific gun. The gun used always gets real popular after such a mass shooting.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

NRA happens to be having a conference in Houston this weekend. Texas Gov. Abbott is scheduled to speak Friday.

Would be a damn shame if a rowdy mob happened to show up.

 

[lionking]

My comment wasn't meant as an endorsement, just an acknowledgement of reality. The insane minority has only tightened its grip on power over the last few years and the child sacrifices to Moloch will continue unabated.

So you accept the reality of such massacres. Fair enough. What should be done about it? Simply accept the religious acceptance of the right of 18 year olds to purchase semi automatics without even background checks?

 

[Mike!]

Curious to find out the details of how this guy who crashed his truck and got into a shootout with cops managed to gain entry to the school and gun down victims without interference.

The smart better would guess "the cops ran away to wait for backup" as the answer.

The truck wasn't just a little crashed ether, the pictures I've seen show the wheels themselves completely knocked off of it, not an easy feat even if that is your intent. It implied to me it was put in the ditch at very high speed. Was he already being pursued after attempting to kill grandma, or simply anticipating it so he fled that scene at high speed? There's no good answers to those questions and, honestly, I'm still, for lack of a better word,numb from this horrific event.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

So you accept the reality of such massacres. Fair enough. What should be done about it? Simply accept the religious acceptance of the right of 18 year olds to purchase semi automatics without even background checks?

It's obviously a political problem, or at least a political question.

Considering how laughably ineffective the liberal opposition is in this country, I doubt there's much reason to expect a solution. The dems have been asleep at the wheel for decades.

ETA: Dems leadership just successfully circled the wagons around a Texas anti-abortion incumbent to fend off a progressive challenger. Coincidentally, Rep. Cuellar publicly refused to refund NRA donations in response to prior mass shootings.

 

[lionking]

Switch 2nd amendment to first and swish it around. Does it still feel right?

For me, it's not about owning guns. It's about the type of civilian guns available and the lack of regulation.

And yet for much of the world it is about owning guns. In Australia and many other countries it requires a reason for owning guns. And that reason doesn’t include self defence.

 

[lionking]

It's obviously a political problem, or at least a political question.

Considering how laughably ineffective the liberal opposition is in this country, I doubt there's much reason to expect a solution. The dems have been asleep at the wheel for decades.

Yes, I expected you to avoid my questions. Well done.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Yes, I expected you to avoid my questions. Well done.

I have no idea what you think a "real" answer would be here.

 

[lionking]

I have no idea what you think a "real" answer would be here.

Something about gun control laws which would prevent an 18 year old from purchasing semi automatic rifles without even background checks.

Know what? Unlike you I don’t care if it’s republican or democratic fault. It’s the fault of the US.

 

[Thermal]

And yet for much of the world it is about owning guns. In Australia and many other countries it requires a reason for owning guns. And that reason doesn’t include self defence.

I'd agree, except that at least for the interim, self-defense is a real thing because our genie is long out of the bottle. At some level, we have to be practical about the mess we already have in our laps, no matter how we got here.

I like my NJ USA laws, but would ramp them up even more. No carry, open or concealed. Firearm purchasing/ownership card required, revokable upon violent and/or criminal activity.

But we have a metric **** ton of weapons on the street, and a populace that has no hesitancy to use them. Gots to disarm the bad guys before paring down the good guys, and that is no trivial effort.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Something about gun control laws which would prevent an 18 year old from purchasing semi automatic rifles without even background checks.

Know what? Unlike you I don’t care if it’s republican or democratic fault. It’s the fault of the US.

Wouldn't he pass a background check?

 

[TurkeysGhost]

Something about gun control laws which would prevent an 18 year old from purchasing semi automatic rifles without even background checks.

Know what? Unlike you I don’t care if it’s republican or democratic fault. It’s the fault of the US.

Democrat leadership just made a heroic 11th hour effort to protect an anti-abortion Texas Dem. incumbent with an A-rating from the NRA. he won by 117 votes.

The Republicans are publicly bathing in the blood of children and Dem leadership still thinks squashing progressives is more important than having principles about anything. Nothing is going to happen.

Dems probably couldn't get their own members to agree about a gun control bill, much less have the competency to go toe-to-toe with the Republicans on the issue.

 

[Stellafane]

So you accept the reality of such massacres. Fair enough. What should be done about it? Simply accept the religious acceptance of the right of 18 year olds to purchase semi automatics without even background checks?

What should be done: For starters, guns designed for the sole purpose of killing lots of people in a short amount of time should be illegal. The only practical application they have is mass murder, which (call me a wild man) I'd like to discourage. Second, some sort of background check system.

What I expect to be done: Not a whole lot. Too many people see any form of gun control, even the most trivial and symbolic, as the first domino in a liberal chain reaction where they end up slaves to gay atheist baby-killing communist immigrants.

 

[Nessie]

So you accept the reality of such massacres. Fair enough. What should be done about it? Simply accept the religious acceptance of the right of 18 year olds to purchase semi automatics without even background checks?

It is likely easier for an 18 year old to pass a background check, because of their lack of a background.

 

[crescent]

Did everyone remember to buy stocks in gun companies?

Nothing drives gun sales better than dead children.

 

[lionking]

I'd agree, except that at least for the interim, self-defense is a real thing because our genie is long out of the bottle. At some level, we have to be practical about the mess we already have in our laps, no matter how we got here.

I like my NJ USA laws, but would ramp them up even more. No carry, open or concealed. Firearm purchasing/ownership card required, revokable upon violent and/or criminal activity.

But we have a metric **** ton of weapons on the street, and a populace that has no hesitancy to use them. Gots to disarm the bad guys before paring down the good guys, and that is no trivial effort.

Yes I agree it’s a huge effort, but in Australia we had massive semi automatic gun ownership in Australia, but after a number of well known massacres in Australia, culminating with Port Arthur, gun control happened. We haven’t had any since then.

Do gun deaths still happen here? Yes of course. But we don’t have pathetic loners tooling up and killing many people any more.

 

[Tero]

The kid had worked at Wendy's for 10 dollars or less an hour. He was not going to graduate. Yet he somehow had collected enough to buy the guns. Let's say 700 dollars, though he had two guns. So it took him some 4 weeks or so of saving, if his parents were taking care of room and board.

So there had to be that much planning. He also had a vest.