Cont: Today's Mass Shooting (2)

[dudalb]

I like a nice, capitalist approach to this because it would be delicious irony.

Firearms insurance required to take possession. Miss payment: surrender firearm. Annual mental health evaluation, results to impact your premium payment. Gun gets stolen and used to kill/injure/threaten/rob someone, you pay big time. Verified proof of safe 3rd-party storage (for sport shooting/hunting) waives responsibility. And so on...

Suggestion: Make the insurance dependent on what kind of gun you own.
A bold action deer rifle should have a low rate, a semi atuo weapon a much higher one.

 

[dudalb]

What is worrying is that there are going to be alot of surplus M 16 in a few years; since the US Army has..after over 50 years...finally chosen a replacement with a Sig Sauer rifle as the new standard.The M 16 is now de facto obsolete for the Military.
Just afraid rather then junk them they will be sold to companies for "export and sale to freindly foreign governments" but a lot of leakage will occur....

 

[Stacyhs]

Telling us "we" have to do something? WE ELECTED YOU TO LEAD MOTHER ******!

Our opponents are "the lobby" and "the industry", nebulous, ephemeral conceptual entities.

A vague appeal to "make it clear" to politicians.

Yeah, I'll write my Congresscritter. Right after I send my thoughts and prayers.

Oh, yeah, sure...because BIDEN can do anything without the cooperation of the GOP in Congress . Get real. Your post was just about as "Imma gonna whine about Biden" as it gets over something he cannot control. Give me a break.

The bald hypocrisy of your statement is such that I ask the mods to please leave it right here where everyone can see it.

Great! I have no problem with leaving it right here so everyone can see it!

Don't you even ******* presume to taint my motive on this.

I'll ******* presume all I want because your post is about as par for the course as they come when it comes to you bitching about Biden. I quoted what Biden said and if that's what your consider the "flatest, mealy-mouthed, cliche'-drenched nonsense" you ever heard from a politician, then you haven't been listening to politicians.

 

[dudalb]

Once again, some people will never forgive Biden for beating Bernie in the primary.....
And Delphi seems somewhat ignorant as to the extent of power the President has. It's not like Biden can order gun control with a stroke of his pen....

 

[Thermal]

Suggestion: Make the insurance dependent on what kind of gun you own.
A bold action deer rifle should have a low rate, a semi atuo weapon a much higher one.

And how exactly would that have slowed down young Sal here, or the pile of bodies he generated? Is a claims adjuster going to wave the policy at Ramos' mommy?

Mag fed semis are simply not needed by the non-mass killing population.

 

[stanfr]

Once again, some people will never forgive Biden for beating Bernie in the primary.....
And Delphi seems somewhat ignorant as to the extent of power the President has. It's not like Biden can order gun control with a stroke of his pen....

Well of course he can! Just steal a page from the DJT playbook, declare martial law and assume his rightful position as Supreme Dictator, and soon all guns will be confiscated. Problem solved!

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Oh, yeah, sure...because BIDEN can do anything without the cooperation of the GOP in Congress . Get real. Your post was just about as "Imma gonna whine about Biden" as it gets over something he cannot control. Give me a break.

Why is it that an uncooperative Democratic Congress can't seem to stop a willful Republican President.

I'll ******* presume all I want because your post is about as par for the course as they come when it comes to you bitching about Biden. I quoted what Biden said and if that's what your consider the "flatest, mealy-mouthed, cliche'-drenched nonsense" you ever heard from a politician, then you haven't been listening to politicians.

Which I do once every few months when he does jack **** about serious problems.

But go on, sling handfuls of **** all you like.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Once again, some people will never forgive Biden for beating Bernie in the primary.....
And Delphi seems somewhat ignorant as to the extent of power the President has. It's not like Biden can order gun control with a stroke of his pen....

Ladies and gentleman: the moderate perspective.

 

[Checkmite]

Ladies and gentleman: the moderate perspective.

Please describe your understanding of how the federal legislative process in the US is supposed to work.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Children died and will continue to die, I want more than "let's do...something, and God bless ya!"

But nah, I'm really just butthurt about Bernie.

I'm pretty sure, other than my response to the all-too-frequent repetitions of this vapid retort, I've not even made a post with his name appearing in it for something like a year or more now.

So do understand, after literally breaking down in tears multiple times with coworkers throughout the day today, for someone to attribute my disappointment as mere idol worshipping jealousy is beyond the pale.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

Please describe your understanding of how the federal legislative process in the US is supposed to work.

Institutional traditions.

Dead children.

I see what is important here.

Thanks for reminding me.

But, to address your smugness...

My understanding of the legislative process is such that I can detect that Biden isn't in the legislative branch.

Do what you want and and make them stop you.

"It's not the battles we lose that bother me, it's the ones we don't suit up for." - Toby Ziegler (The West Wing)

 

[Checkmite]

Institutional traditions.

Dead children.

I see what is important here.

Thanks for reminding me.

I'm not talking about arbitrary traditions that people are factually free to follow or not. I mean the actual federal legislative process, which is mandatory and cannot be simply skipped for the sake of expediency.

 

[smartcooky]

Why is it that an uncooperative Democratic Congress can't seem to stop a willful Republican President.


Which I do once every few months when he does jack **** about serious problems.

But go on, sling handfuls of **** all you like.

As long as you have such a backwards SYSTEM in your House of Government, that allows the MINORITY to dictate to the MAJORITY what legislation can be passed, NO presdient can ever be held to blame for not getting things done.

As long as you have such a backwards judicial system that gives wholly unqualified people lifetime appointments to your highest court, a system that allows one party to have dominance and influence over laws YEARS after those who appointed them have gone from office, you will continue to suffer things like having religious and political dogma take away your human rights and ability to change laws that YOUR PEOPLE want changed!!!!


You need to do away with the filibuster, permanently and for everything. No other civilized country in the world has a system where the majority needs the consent of the minority to pass laws and legislation.

You need to do away with Presidential nominations and political appointments of Judges, and instead, have experience and qualifications as the basis for the various levels of federal benches.

You need to do away with lifetime appointments to the benches of the Circuit Courts and SCOTUS. Six years maximum term followed by three years standdown before possible reappointment with a maximum to two terms, and forced retirement at 65.

The system in America is broken, badly. Nothing in America is going to change until the system changes.

 

[Checkmite]

Now being reported the shooter posted photos of the rifles on social media in recent days.

 

[stanfr]

As long as you have such a backwards SYSTEM in your House of Government, that allows the MINORITY to dictate to the MAJORITY what legislation can be passed, NO presdient can ever be held to blame for not getting things done.

As long as you have such a backwards judicial system that gives wholly unqualified people lifetime appointments to your highest court, a system that allows one party to have dominance and influence over laws YEARS after those who appointed them have gone from office, you will continue to suffer things like having religious and political dogma take away your human rights and ability to change laws that YOUR PEOPLE want changed!!!!


You need to do away with the filibuster, permanently and for everything. No other civilized country in the world has a system where the majority needs the consent of the minority to pass laws and legislation.

You need to do away with Presidential nominations and political appointments of Judges, and instead, have experience and qualifications as the basis for the various levels of federal benches.

You need to do away with lifetime appointments to the benches of the Circuit Courts and SCOTUS. Six years maximum term followed by three years standdown before possible reappointment with a maximum to two terms, and forced retirement at 65.

The system in America is broken, badly. Nothing in America is going to change until the system changes.

Look how Congress votes on every important bill--straight down partisan lines. Barring some major changes in the system (like ranked voting) the only solution is to divide the country. Hopefully without civil unrest.

 

[stanfr]

Now being reported the shooter posted photos of the rifles on social media in recent days.

Those photos apparently have been confirmed. The latest social media rumor is that he was transgender, with photos of him cross-dressing circulating online. Those seem highly suspect.

 

[Meadmaker]

Btw. is there someone even from democrats actually pushing for some change to 2nd amendment ?

Not that I'm aware of.

Also, is it even needed ?

Opinions vary.

Basically, the only time I know where a law was overturned because it violated the 2nd amendment was the Heller decision, where it was said that a total ban on handgun ownership was unconstitutional. (Same reasoning repeated in McDonald, just with different jurisdiction.)

Generally, not so crazy people believe that licensing, registration, the type of firearms, and carry permits could all be regulated without violating the second amendment.

 

[Cain]

We need to invest in the safety of our children by hardening our schools. Security guards named Kevin. Ballistic blankets. Armed faculty. Don't teach children CRT; teach them MMA.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

...You need to do away with the filibuster, permanently and for everything. ...

The Republicans are going to do it anyway the soonest opportunity they have. And the stupid Democrats cave to the threat "if you do it..." The problem is we need more Democratic Senators so Manchin cannot vote against it.

We do need Manchin at the moment because he's stopping McConnell from being in charge of the Senate. I hope things will change in November. And I do work every election to get decent people elected.

...You need to do away with Presidential nominations and political appointments of Judges, and instead, have experience and qualifications as the basis for the various levels of federal benches.

That would take a Constitutional amendment which is unlikely to happen while the minority has power which they do.

...You need to do away with lifetime appointments to the benches of the Circuit Courts and SCOTUS. Six years maximum term followed by three years standdown before possible reappointment with a maximum to two terms, and forced retirement at 65.

Same problem as above.

...The system in America is broken, badly. Nothing in America is going to change until the system changes.

And that's a serious challenge.

 

[Meadmaker]

This guy sounds like a hero.

I would agree there.