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The Roe Countdown

When will Roe v Wade be overturned

  • Before 31 December 2020

    Votes: 20 18.3%

  • Before 31 December 2022

    Votes: 27 24.8%

  • Before 31 December 2024

    Votes: 9 8.3%

  • SCOTUS will not pick a case up

    Votes: 16 14.7%

  • SCOTUS will pick it up and decline to overturn

    Votes: 37 33.9%
  • Total voters
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Meadmaker said:
I don't think molotov cocktails are really a mainstream grass roots effort.
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It does strike me as an odd choice in a country where it is very easy to get firearms legally.

ETA: Jokes aside, my comments are specifically about pundits and dems scolding non-violent protests that happen to be disruptive.
 
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Meadmaker said:
Folks, I look around our world and see a lot more Gomorrah than Gilead. I think we're pretty safe from fundamentalists. They're out there, to be sure, but just vote.



I think what's really about to happen is that Roe v. Wade will be overturned, and it might take as long as 15 years before abortion is legal in every state again. It might happen a lot faster than that.

When some state manages to enact an anti-sodomy law, I'll get nervous, but I don't see that happening.
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"Just vote" is fine if your vote gets counted. Some commentators, and unfortunately not crackpots, are seriously wondering if the next election in this country will be, effectively, the last. If the Republican party has its way, as it seems to be going, that party will never accept another election that it does not win, and we will become a banana republic run by the religious right. Eventually things will no doubt change back again, but there could be a long, ugly, bloody interim.
 
Democrats need millions of more votes than Republicans, just to have a shot at the Electoral College. In many States, a 2/3rd Blue Vote will barely get you a majority in the State House.

What many voters don't get is that the system is designed to disenfranchise Democrats, and it requires a Blue Tsunami, not just a Wave to actually give them a working majority.

I don't think overturning Roe is enough to get us there.
 
bruto said:
"Just vote" is fine if your vote gets counted. Some commentators, and unfortunately not crackpots, are seriously wondering if the next election in this country will be, effectively, the last. If the Republican party has its way, as it seems to be going, that party will never accept another election that it does not win, and we will become a banana republic run by the religious right. Eventually things will no doubt change back again, but there could be a long, ugly, bloody interim.
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Citation needed.
 
Delphic Oracle said:
That's right, find the two words in the whole statement that have the least substance and pick a fight over that.

Which aptly demonstrates you have no faith in your own position and seek to distract.
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Oh, give it a rest.


The question is whether there is a genuine reason to believe that democracy is in danger in the United States.

There are lots of people shouting that they sky is falling, but are they credible. Bruto assures us they are not crackpots. I'm not so sure.



To be fair, the fallout of 2020 and the huge number of people who say that the election was stolen have shaken my faith. It has gone farther than I thought it should. However, in the end, the votes were counted and the right person won. The courts threw out the challenges. The rioters are being hunted down and prosecuted.

Meanwhile, the next time you vote you might have to present a driver's license. You also might not be able to vote a month before election day. You might have to show up, physically, at the polls.


Well, I understand what's going on there, and it's not good, but it's not the end of democracy in America. Yes, I think the people who say that elections are over in America are crackpots.
 
JoeMorgue said:
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"It should say a lot that most of the heaviest attacks on abortion rights started the moment that baby boomers stopped having any need of them."
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Poorly informed commenter. There are pro-choice protests every year at the Capitol to counter the pro-life annual protest.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Poorly informed commenter. There are pro-choice protests every year at the Capitol to counter the pro-life annual protest.
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There are more trees on Earth than stars in the Milky Way.

Oh I'm sorry I thought you were challenging me to "The most technically true while having absolutely nothing to do with what was said" battle and I'm competitive by nature.
 
JoeMorgue said:
WE JUST HAD A ******* ATTEMPTED COUP!

And that's all I can say within the bounds of the MA.
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Just because we had a president try to launch a coup doesn't mean anything, even with significant backing from many in his party it still doesn't mean anything. Listen to Meadmaker, clearly it could never happen here and certainly never happen in this day and age.
 
JoeMorgue said:
There are more trees on Earth than stars in the Milky Way.

Oh I'm sorry I thought you were challenging me to "The most technically true while having absolutely nothing to do with what was said" battle and I'm competitive by nature.
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You said someone else said it. I'm not sure why my reply annoyed you, but whatever.
 
Does North Korea have people complaining that the current government gets Juche wrong? Because that is what it feels like whenever a liberal says conservatives are getting constitutional issues like abortion wrong.
 
JoeMorgue said:
WE JUST HAD A ******* ATTEMPTED COUP!

And that's all I can say within the bounds of the MA.
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And...

Meadmaker said:
However, in the end, the votes were counted and the right person won. The courts threw out the challenges. The rioters are being hunted down and prosecuted.
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If Donald Trump wins the nomination again, I'll be nervous. If he wins the election, I'll be very nervous.

Right now, I'm barely nervous enough to pay attention. I'm confident my vote will be counted next time, and the people who win those elections will be declared the winners.

And if that doesn't happen, I'll gladly join the revolution. Until then, I'm both a democrat and a Democrat.
 
Again your moral stance of "It's only a problem AFTER you can't do anything about" doesn't give you anywhere near the moral high ground you think it does.
 
Meadmaker said:
What I think is hilarious is that I'm called a conservative.

Compared to you, I suppose I am. Regardless, I still have never voted for a Republican for President. I did vote in the 2016 Republican presidential primary, but only so that I could vote against Donald Trump. Alas, to no avail.

I also vote for a Republican state senator in the last few elections. I haven't liked our local, Democratic, reps. However, with abortion being a "front=burner" issue again, where the state legislature matters, that won't happen in the fall.
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So what you are telling us is that these are issues important enough for you to not vote Republican because of them now and that even though you were prescient enough to be aware that this was an issue (as far back as someone posting the poll that heads this thread) you still voted for Republicans?

This is why the whole "the dog caught the car" reasoning is BS. My prediction is that there will be some other justification this time and you'll just vote Republican again.
 
Are people starting to get what I mean when I say people are no longer wrong but intentionally and deliberately wrong while daring us to do something about it?
 
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