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Texas Gov. Abbott wants to get rid of mandatory public education

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Abbott says Texas could 'resurrect' SCOTUS case requiring states to educate all kids

Gov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday that Texas would consider challenging a 1982 U.S. Supreme Court decision requiring states to offer free public education to all children, including those of undocumented immigrants.

"Texas already long ago sued the federal government about having to incur the costs of the education program, in a case called Plyler versus Doe," Abbott said, speaking during an appearance on the Joe Pags show, a conservative radio talk show. "And the Supreme Court ruled against us on the issue. ... I think we will resurrect that case and challenge this issue again, because the expenses are extraordinary and the times are different than when Plyler versus Doe was issued many decades ago."
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Hell, why should Texas have to educate minorities and poor children anyway? They're nothing but a burden on good white taxpayers! Bring back the workhouses! Let them pick cotton!
 
If lack of education was good enough for Abbott, it's good enough for all Texans!

Also, I expect all the "illegals" will be better educated than most of the Texan border vigilantes trying to catch them. So it's just petty jealousy, really.
 
Armitage72 said:
And critical thinking, which has "the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."
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Some of my favorites from the 2012 platform:

"American Identity Patriotism and Loyalty – We believe the current teaching of a multicultural curriculum is divisive. We favor strengthening our common American identity and loyalty instead of political correctness that
nurtures alienation among racial and ethnic groups. Students should pledge allegiance to the American and Texas flags daily to instill patriotism."
Instill patriotism? What was that they were saying about 'indoctrination'?

"Classroom Discipline –We recommend that local school boards and classroom teachers be given more authority to deal with disciplinary problems. Corporal punishment is effective and legal in Texas"
Because hitting children is the answer! Put the fear of God into those little bastids with a good whoopin'.

"Controversial Theories – We support objective teaching and equal treatment of all sides of scientific theories. We believe theories such as life origins and environmental change should be taught as challengeable scientific theories subject to change as new data is produced. Teachers and students should be able to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of these theories openly and without fear of retribution or discrimination of any kind."

Because GOD and mah Bible are just as scientificy as evolution. If we're descended from monkeys, how come there are still monkeys? and Climate Change is just a hoax. I mean, look at how much snow we got this past winter!

"Early Childhood Development – We believe that parents are best suited to train their children in their early development and oppose mandatory pre-school and Kindergarten. We urge Congress to repeal government sponsored programs that deal with early childhood development."
ZERO states have mandatory pre-K! We still oppose it. And how dare my tax payer money go to early childhood development for kids other than my own. Those babies are only precious before birth; they're not my responsibility after birth.

"Sex Education – We recognize parental responsibility and authority regarding sex education. We believe that parents must be given an opportunity to review the material prior to giving their consent. We oppose any sex education other than abstinence until marriage."
Yeah! Look at how well "Just say No" to drugs worked! If kids know about how sex works and how a girl gets pregnant, it'll make 'em run right out and start having wild n crazy sex. All girls need to know is to keep an aspirin between their knees!

"Private Education – We believe that parents and legal guardians may choose to educate their children in private schools to include, but not limited to, home schools and parochial schools without government interference, through definition, regulation, accreditation, licensing, or testing."
How are we gonna teach our children to be good Christians and not Mooslims like them madrassas that Barack HUSSEIN Obama went to if the government sticks its nose into our classrooms? Government should only regulate PUBLIC schools.


"Religious Freedom in Public Schools – We urge school administrators and officials to inform Texas school students specifically of their First Amendment rights to pray and engage in religious speech, individually or in
groups, on school property without government interference. We urge the Legislature to end censorship of discussion of religion in our founding documents and encourage discussing those documents." But no discussing anything about them sicko lezzies, homos, or man-girls or about racism!
 
Having gone through the Texas public education system in the late 90s, I'm not sure they have anything left to lose.
 
New data isn't being produced that challenges the theories though. Beliefs like creationism and intelligent design are religious in origin rather than data-based.
 
I'm trying to discover, is Abbott proposing to bar the children of undocumented persons from Texas schools or is he trying to shift the costs? Shift the burden from local taxpayers to...the federal government? That actually sounds fairly reasonable.

As a law professor stated, the Supreme Court invalidated the original Texas law on Constitutional grounds, there is no basis to appeal that ruling. Texas needs to create a new law or legal issue. The state can't just say, we never liked that ruling, let's do it over.

The other factor is, in addition to moral and humanitarian concerns, in the original case, even Justice Warren Burger recognized, creating a large group of non-educated children might save education costs, but what would be the cost to society as they grow up? It would probably be considerable.
 
Gov. Greg Abbott said Wednesday that Texas would consider challenging a 1982 U.S. Supreme Court decision requiring states to offer free public education to all children, including those of undocumented immigrants.
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newyorkguy said:
The other factor is, in addition to moral and humanitarian concerns, in the original case, even Justice Warren Burger recognized, creating a large group of non-educated children might save education costs, but what would be the cost to society as they grow up? It would probably be considerable.
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I don't feel any taxpayer funds should be going to pay for educating the children of illegal aliens. Devote all such funds to children of legal American citizens, I say. Children of illegals shouldn't be in our public schools, imo. Hell, they shouldn't even be in our country.
 
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Warp12 said:
I don't feel any taxpayer funds should be going to pay for educating the children of illegal aliens. Devote all such funds to children of legal American citizens, I say. Children of illegals shouldn't be in our public schools, imo. Hell, they shouldn't even be in our country.
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for "illegal aliens", read "current and future taxpayers".
because undocumented immigrants can't get access to social security, they pay into a system they won't benefit from.
It's very much in the interest of every American to allow immigrants to find jobs that fits their qualification. It's a documented fact that they pay way more into the system than the system spends on them.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
for "illegal aliens", read "current and future taxpayers".
because undocumented immigrants can't get access to social security, they pay into a system they won't benefit from.
It's very much in the interest of every American to allow immigrants to find jobs that fits their qualification. It's a documented fact that they pay way more into the system than the system spends on them.
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This isn't a debate about illegals and their job hunting efforts, I'm afraid. It's about Abbott not wanting Texans to have to pay to educate their children, at minimum. I don't see any good argument for why they should have to.

An argument that they should be in public school might have some merit, but I find it hard to get behind that, in part because ultimately taxpayers are going to be footing that bill in some way, at some level. And that is outside of the obvious fact that they shouldn't even be here in the first place, which is a bigger can of worms.
 
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Exactly!

Children should be punished for the choices of their parents.
Besides, by keeping the children of illegal immigrants uneducated you keep the underclass alive to work for *real* Americans in jobs they don't want to do.

The lower classes (immigrants, women) should not harp on about those 'rights' and 'freedoms', those are only for rich white males that vote correctly.
 
Warp12 said:
This isn't a debate about illegals and their job hunting efforts, I'm afraid. It's about Abbott not wanting Texans to have to pay to educate their children, at minimum. I don't see any good argument for why they should have to.

An argument that they should be in public school might have some merit, but I find it hard to get behind that, in part because ultimately taxpayers are footing that bill. And that is outside of the obvious fact that they shouldn't even be here in the first place, which is a bigger can of worms.
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Unless they are not spending money within the USA aren't even illegal immigrants still tax payers?

Plus this is about legislation about the teaching of children, the children won't have made the decision to come to the USA illegally. Should they pay for the rest of their lives because of the "sins of their fathers"?
 
"We can't win if the we aren't allowed to cheat the system."
"We can't win if children are educated."

That's some good morals there Republican party.
 
Seems we're going to get a good test case for the Democratic party strategy of trying to woo the mythical centrist swing voter.

With Roe and all this other insane stuff that is going to be cropping up in red states to take advantage of the new legal landscape, there has never been a more primed environment for wooing voters by being the reasonable alternative to the Republican party. Absolute banner day for being the "lesser evil", if such a thing works.

I'm personally quite jaundiced about such a proposition. The extreme right tilt will absolutely drum up some liberal agitation in response, but I would guess that it will be largely a wash compared to how galvanizing this massive victory on the right is for their voting base. Nothing brings out the fans like a big win, and gleeful, slavering conservative ghouls are going to be flooding into the voting booths to signal their pleasure with this recent turn of events.

I'm guessing the Dems are going to rely on some mass defection of suburban whites to their side in response to the gallop to the right of the Republican party, but I'm not holding my breath. Time will tell I suppose, but I very much suspect the political viability of being the "Conservative-lite" party has expired.
 
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Darat said:
Unless they are not spending money within the USA aren't even illegal immigrants still tax payers?

Plus this is about legislation about the teaching of children, the children won't have made the decision to come to the USA illegally. Should they pay for the rest of their lives because of the "sins of their fathers"?
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The whole "taxpayer" thing is a different debate. Lets just say that if Juan buys a Snickers bar and pays 5% in taxes from his under-the-table job, it is not the same as me paying 35% out of my paycheck, plus that 5%.

Remember, technically these kids should not even be here in the first place. Their illegal parents made that decision. It isn't about who's "sins" they are paying for. All of that falls on the parents, imo. And nobody should have to provide any resources for these people, educational or otherwise.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
Students should ask questions, but I don't see the value in permitting teachers to answer earnestly asked questions about science with fairy tales and easily disproven pseudo-science.

Teaching creationism is an objectively poor science education. it would be like paying money to go to a sovereign citizen law school or psychology program that takes seriously people's star signs. Imagine a health class that permitted the gym teacher to teach doubt about whether or not cigarettes are harmful to health. A tremendous disservice to the students in the school's care.

Creating a science education standard that ultimately boils down to the totally arbitrary "well, if your science teacher is a religious crank you won't get taught evolution" is abandoning the very concept of a course standard.
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The thing is that, if polls are to be believed, creationism is a view held by a sizeable minority of the US population - approaching 50%. Bearing that in mind, the demand to teach creationism and/or intelligent design instead of evolution is hardly surprising.

Add in a version of US history which skips over all of the uncomfortable bits, abstinence only sex education and a desire for teaching Christianity and it's fairy tales all the way down. :(
 
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