New telepathy test, the sequel.

The word MH wrote was "arglebarg." He doesn't realize that.

Please don't tell him. Poor fellow has enough problems already.
 
Michel H said:
The answer seems clear: though extra-sensory perception, perhaps related to (as yet unmeasured) electromagnetic waves emitted by the sender.
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That's the extra-sensory perception for which not a shred of objective evidence exists, a fact that a test like this will not change as it cannot possibly produce a statistically significant result (ETA and is also not scientifically rigourous) and is therefore utterly worthless?
You seem to be forgetting that answerers could write some interesting comments, together with their answers, for example these skeptics' favourites:
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They could indeed add some equally obviously sarcastic comments, but no amount of comments, sarcastic or otherwise, would change the utter worthlessness of your test.

Try answering the test yourself, your answer might not be so random.
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But as your test is utterly worthless I would never know. So why bother?
 
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Michel H said:
The frequency is perhaps of the order of 100 MHz, and the relevant frequencies might belong to a wire range, for example from 10 MHz to 1 GHz (but I don't know much about this myself, this is speculative).
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Have you tried listening for them on a radio?
 
Mojo said:
Have you tried listening for them on a radio?
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No. By the way, I meant "wide range" (like "broad range"), not "wire range". I have corrected the erroneous post.

Radio transmitters emit in very narrow ranges of frequencies, for example WCWP in New York, a Jazz radio station emits at frequencies close to 88.1 MHz.

I assume this is probably not true about telepathy, but I don't know much about the physical and neurological explanation of telepathy.
 
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Michel H said:
I don't know much about the physical and neurological explanation of telepathy.
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There is no physical and neurological explanation of telepathy because, despite decades of investigation, it has never been demonstrated to exist.

In the unlikely event that any objective evidence for telepathy is ever produced, then - and only then - will anyone who is capable of coming up with such a theory even start seriously thinking about what it might be.

There's no one seriously trying to come up with an explanation of homeopathy, or dowsing, or how Santa Claus can get to every child's chimney in one night either.

First demonstrate that telepathy actually exists. Then those with the necessary knowledge and understanding will start looking for an explanation of it. Until then, they have much better things to do with their time.
 
Michel H said:
This frequency detector probably looks for signals at definite, precise frequencies, and then assigns a frequency to it. I don't think it would report anything near a human brain (it would be known if it were the case).
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You are wrong again.

But then again, I knew that you would find a way to dodge your own issue even though I do not have any sort of psychic powers.
 
Michel H said:
This frequency detector probably looks for signals at definite, precise frequencies, and then assigns a frequency to it. I don't think it would report anything near a human brain (it would be known if it were the case).
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Stop wiggling. I have a perfectly fine vector network analyzer that covers 50kHz to 3GHz. And, yes, it is a broadband device for detecting RF signals.
 
steenkh said:
I always find it curious why we should be scared if any of the supernatural phenomena should turn out to be real, in this case telepathy.

My view is that if telepathy is real, it has always been real, and so it has always happened, but it has never influenced anybody’s life. And it is unlikely to change anything after we become aware of it being real.

For instance, police will not start using telepathics for questioning, because it has never worked before, and it is unlikely to suddenly start working.
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Yep! Since the thread has been reawakened, here's the relevant xkcd.

This is pretty much where I am with every woo claim: I'm not going to try to explain why it's not real. Hell, I'll actually stipulate that it *is* real. Now all you have to do is show me that it's predictable, repeatable, and has practical applications.

Ghosts? Real. Also, useless. Telepathy? Real. Also, useless. Clairvoyance? Real. Also, useless. Etc.

Michel, what's it like to have stumbled on something totally useless?
 
Michel H said:
The frequency is perhaps of the order of 100 MHz, and the relevant frequencies might belong to a wide range, for example from 10 MHz to 1 GHz (but I don't know much about this myself, this is speculative).
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Wait, are you saying that humans broadcast radio waves in the 100 MHz range, and nobody ever noticed? 30-300 MHz is VHF. Here's a partial list of things that would show interference from nearby human brains, if you were right:
FM broadcasts, television broadcasts, cable television broadcasting, line-of-sight ground-to-aircraft and aircraft-to-aircraft communications, land mobile and maritime mobile communications, amateur radio, weather radio, cordless phones.

(source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_spectrum)​
Human brains would also suffer interference from those things as well. Neither interference has ever been observed.

Another reason your estimate is obviously stupid: VHF has limited range, and requires a whip antenna of 10 inches or more. The human body does not provide such an antenna. Nor does it provide the necessary power output to transmit over the distances you're talking about.

If your telepathy were real, you'd be jamming every civilian radio receiver within a few miles, blasting your thoughts into the head of everyone nearby, and you still wouldn't be reaching your intended recipients thousands of miles away.
 
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If your telepathy were real, you'd be jamming every civilian radio receiver within a few miles, blasting your thoughts into the head of everyone nearby, and you still wouldn't be reaching your intended recipients thousands of miles away.
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I expect it’s a special sort of electromagnetic radiation that isn’t subject to the inverse square law.
 
theprestige said:
Yep! Since the thread has been reawakened, here's the relevant xkcd.

This is pretty much where I am with every woo claim: I'm not going to try to explain why it's not real. Hell, I'll actually stipulate that it *is* real. Now all you have to do is show me that it's predictable, repeatable, and has practical applications.

Ghosts? Real. Also, useless. Telepathy? Real. Also, useless. Clairvoyance? Real. Also, useless. Etc.

Michel, what's it like to have stumbled on something totally useless?
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One of the many things I don't know about (my assumed) telepathy is whether it is really useless or not.

I believe that, in times of major international crises, like the one we are living now, it could be quite dangerous for me to do nothing about it, and just wait until the crisis passes.
 
Michel H said:
One of the many things I don't know about (my assumed) telepathy is whether it is really useless or not.

I believe that, in times of major international crises, like the one we are living now, it could be quite dangerous for me to do nothing about it, and just wait until the crisis passes.
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You are quite at liberty do make whatever assumptions you like.

However, your assumptions will never be able to define reality.
 
Michel H said:
I believe that, in times of major international crises, like the one we are living now, it could be quite dangerous for me to do nothing about it, and just wait until the crisis passes.
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Given the opinions you have expressed on the current crisis, I for one am quite relieved that your ability to do anything about it exists only in your imagination.

Dave
 
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