The supernatural
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Here is what Heydarian thinks of us
Here is what he thinks of himself
Here is what he thinks of himself
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You, a finite little human, think you can know anything about the infinite divine mind.
It is both laughable and tragic that all you think you know about God comes from the unholy Quran.
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If, as I suspect Heydarian has left the forum, lets keep it alive by posting criticisms of the Quran. Here is a web site listing scientific errors.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientif...MIip3LuO7t9QIVVZBoCR2zpAz2EAMYAyAAEgJHD_D_BwE
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientif...MIip3LuO7t9QIVVZBoCR2zpAz2EAMYAyAAEgJHD_D_BwE
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Again we're all up in arms about a bunch of gibberish about supernatural as if that's the problem and not the entire concept of a supernatural.
Yes, yes we can all line up and have a laugh at the word salad and stream of consciousness and the bad formatting, but we should be equally responsive to the same base concept discussed with more eruditeness.
Yes, yes we can all line up and have a laugh at the word salad and stream of consciousness and the bad formatting, but we should be equally responsive to the same base concept discussed with more eruditeness.
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But what is the base concept there? Our friend has the position that the Quran is the inerrant and complete word of god and that all knowledge is in there. The level of erudition doesn’t matter; it’s an indefensible although unshifting position and there’s not much to do apart from pointing that out and hoping for a few yucks along the way.
Special pleading. A counter-intellectual "Reality stops working at some arbitrary and inconsistent point I get to invoke, not even define but invoke, whenever I want to believe in Woo."
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Heydarian, you said there are no errors in the Quran, but the following link is to a book called 1000 errors in the Quran. I bet you will not even have the courage to look at this book.
https://www.sian.no/sites/default/files/docs/7882.pdf
https://www.sian.no/sites/default/files/docs/7882.pdf
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More errors and contradictions in the unholy Quran
https://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellp11.htm
https://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
https://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellp11.htm
https://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/
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heydarian, your last post there seemed like a farewell note. In case you're still around, if only to read what people are saying, I'll leave you with some last thoughts that come up basis that last post of yours:
If you would only take your head out of your backside --- which, to use more gentle terms, translates as "If you would only stop thinking of the Quran as "undeniable truth" --- then this thread of yours has enough material for you to digest, that can set you free from a lifetime of ignorance and blind faith and superstition and fundamentalism. Wake up, take this opportunity. Don't go back to your unthinking ignorant superstitious ways of thinking. I say this with as much "love" as you profess for us --- or at least, to use less flowery language, not quite love, but goodwill certainly. What I mean to say is, none of what I'm saying is meant, at all, as a put-down.
Sorry, no, you're lying. That's right, you're flat out lying, heydarian. You've told us that nothing ever will make you change your views about the Quran, remember? Don't go lying, then, that you're "ready to sacrifice (your) ideas". Either walk the talk, or own the fact that you're a fundamentalist who is not open to sacrificing his superstitions, no matter what.
That's what people have been doing, all through this thread. Many others have done this, many times, far more substantially than I have. But for a very easy-to-digest argument, just look at my post #2730. Face up to what is being said there. It's very elementary, what I've said there. And I don't see that you can escape, if you're honest about this, either admitting that the Quran does not apply to people of this present age and therefore give up following the Quran, or else admit that the monstrous injunctions in there about infidels do apply to our times, which makes the Quran a reprehensible and evil document.
Go on, then. Do you really have the balls to sacrifice your ideas, to turn your back on the superstitions you've been indoctrinated in all your life, and reject the Quran as, at the very least, applicable only to the seventh-century world and entirely irrelevant in this modern age?
You seem very proud of "standing like a mountain", when in fact you should be ashamed of yourself. What if your eight-year-old son told you that Tehran is the capital of Kuwait, and that Cyrus the Great was not a king but a gladiator who served and fought in ancient Rome, and that 25 + 26 = 100? And, when you corrected him, your son told you that he "stands like a mountain" by what he's said, and that he's never going to change his mind, and what's more that he's proud of that attitude of his?
Your mountain thing is no different than that. It's no cause for pride. It's something you should be ashamed of, and try your best to remedy.
A fanatic is exactly what you are. Sure, you're a somewhat different flavor of fanatic than your garden variety Muslim, apparently. But for all that you're a fanatic. You're someone who claims he'll always believe in what the Quran says, no matter what. That's, like, the definition of fanatic.
Superstitious is exactly what you are. Right after claiming that you're not superstitious, you immediately proclaim to the world some of your pet superstitions, namely hell and heaven and divine punishment and day of judgment. Those are ignorant superstitions and fairy tales, and any educated adult should be ashamed that they should believe in that medieval nonsense.
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Like Pixel42 said to you ---- with what is, given how you tend to phrase yourself, just the right degree of dramatic flourish! ---- Go in peace, heydarian.
Like I said, while it would be silly to tell you that I love you, like you've been telling us time and time again, but at the end of this thread I don't harbor other than goodwill for you. You're clearly not evil, or some murderous psycho, or anything like that; you're merely misguided. Not your fault, it's the lifelong religious indoctrination and religious brainwashing. Let's hope you find the strength to get over it, and are able, one of these days, to open your eyes to a sane rational world.
If you would only take your head out of your backside --- which, to use more gentle terms, translates as "If you would only stop thinking of the Quran as "undeniable truth" --- then this thread of yours has enough material for you to digest, that can set you free from a lifetime of ignorance and blind faith and superstition and fundamentalism. Wake up, take this opportunity. Don't go back to your unthinking ignorant superstitious ways of thinking. I say this with as much "love" as you profess for us --- or at least, to use less flowery language, not quite love, but goodwill certainly. What I mean to say is, none of what I'm saying is meant, at all, as a put-down.
Sorry, no, you're lying. That's right, you're flat out lying, heydarian. You've told us that nothing ever will make you change your views about the Quran, remember? Don't go lying, then, that you're "ready to sacrifice (your) ideas". Either walk the talk, or own the fact that you're a fundamentalist who is not open to sacrificing his superstitions, no matter what.
That's what people have been doing, all through this thread. Many others have done this, many times, far more substantially than I have. But for a very easy-to-digest argument, just look at my post #2730. Face up to what is being said there. It's very elementary, what I've said there. And I don't see that you can escape, if you're honest about this, either admitting that the Quran does not apply to people of this present age and therefore give up following the Quran, or else admit that the monstrous injunctions in there about infidels do apply to our times, which makes the Quran a reprehensible and evil document.
Go on, then. Do you really have the balls to sacrifice your ideas, to turn your back on the superstitions you've been indoctrinated in all your life, and reject the Quran as, at the very least, applicable only to the seventh-century world and entirely irrelevant in this modern age?
You seem very proud of "standing like a mountain", when in fact you should be ashamed of yourself. What if your eight-year-old son told you that Tehran is the capital of Kuwait, and that Cyrus the Great was not a king but a gladiator who served and fought in ancient Rome, and that 25 + 26 = 100? And, when you corrected him, your son told you that he "stands like a mountain" by what he's said, and that he's never going to change his mind, and what's more that he's proud of that attitude of his?
Your mountain thing is no different than that. It's no cause for pride. It's something you should be ashamed of, and try your best to remedy.
A fanatic is exactly what you are. Sure, you're a somewhat different flavor of fanatic than your garden variety Muslim, apparently. But for all that you're a fanatic. You're someone who claims he'll always believe in what the Quran says, no matter what. That's, like, the definition of fanatic.
Superstitious is exactly what you are. Right after claiming that you're not superstitious, you immediately proclaim to the world some of your pet superstitions, namely hell and heaven and divine punishment and day of judgment. Those are ignorant superstitions and fairy tales, and any educated adult should be ashamed that they should believe in that medieval nonsense.
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Like Pixel42 said to you ---- with what is, given how you tend to phrase yourself, just the right degree of dramatic flourish! ---- Go in peace, heydarian.
Like I said, while it would be silly to tell you that I love you, like you've been telling us time and time again, but at the end of this thread I don't harbor other than goodwill for you. You're clearly not evil, or some murderous psycho, or anything like that; you're merely misguided. Not your fault, it's the lifelong religious indoctrination and religious brainwashing. Let's hope you find the strength to get over it, and are able, one of these days, to open your eyes to a sane rational world.
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I tame the universe. But inside me is a brave and victorious attacking lion. Rest assured, I will not ring the bell to leave this group.
Heydarian, Heydarian, where have you gone? You said you would not leave.
heydarian saeed
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Hello
The lion never leaves the forest.
Happy Valentine's Day.
The lion never leaves the forest.
Happy Valentine's Day.
Hellbound
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Hello
The lion never leaves the forest.
Happy Valentine's Day.
Except for the ones that live on open plains or scrub land.
heydarian saeed
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Plains and deserts are also part of the forest. And beautiful seas and swans. It depends on how we look. Beauty is the way we look. Not what we look at.
Saeed
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Hello
The lion never leaves the forest.
Happy Valentine's Day.
As with your claims about the Quran, all you needed to do to make it fit was to change the definitions of the words.
Oh, and Saint Valentine’s Day is tomorrow.
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