Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

[Resume]

What's going on? Perhaps a math refresher is in order.

92% of those over 65 are vaccinated in Illinois. Around 85% of those over 50.

Given 10000 people at risk of death (pretty much only older people) there are around 1000 unvaxxed and 9000 vaxxed. If vaccines provided 90% protection against death for those at risk and 2% in the age group died if unvaxxed or not previously infected, that would mean 18 dead that were vaxxed and 20 dead that were unvaxxed. That would be just a bit over 50% were unvaxxed. But not quite 40% were actually vaxxed which means vaccines are actually more than 90% effective against death.

Thank you.

 

[Resume]

Here's a nurse who has obviously been corrupted by the NWO and the fake COVID nocebo narrative.

Our hospital is full, our morgue is full, we are trying to run our ER with 2 RNs (����*+ 1), I have bruises on my hands from doing so many compressions in multiple codes, I have lost 25 lbs, I have never been screamed at by the public so much in my entire career.
#NursesAreNotOk

This nurse has never been screamed at by the public so much in her career . . . for serving her fellow human beings at risk to her own health, her own life.

This is a direct result of the disinformation effluvia spewed by idiots like Joe Rogan, and by the disinformationists posting in this very subforum. There is no longer any reason to pull punches or deflect blame. This is their fault.

 

[Paul2]

What's going on? Perhaps a math refresher is in order.

92% of those over 65 are vaccinated in Illinois. Around 85% of those over 50.

Given 10000 people at risk of death (pretty much only older people) there are around 1000 unvaxxed and 9000 vaxxed. If vaccines provided 90% protection against death for those at risk and 2% in the age group died if unvaxxed or not previously infected, that would mean 18 dead that were vaxxed and 20 dead that were unvaxxed. That would be just a bit over 50% were unvaxxed. But not quite 40% were actually vaxxed which means vaccines are actually more than 90% effective against death.

Thanks for the numbers, too!

I laid out a hypothetical example like this on another forum - using as simple a set of numbers as I could - and I could NOT get the other person to accept what was simple - 4th grade? - math: just percentages and arithmetic. I guess I have to accept that I did my part; I led the horse to the water.

Sigh.

 

[Tippit]

What's going on? Perhaps a math refresher is in order.

92% of those over 65 are vaccinated in Illinois. Around 85% of those over 50.

Given 10000 people at risk of death (pretty much only older people) there are around 1000 unvaxxed and 9000 vaxxed. If vaccines provided 90% protection against death for those at risk and 2% in the age group died if unvaxxed or not previously infected, that would mean 18 dead that were vaxxed and 20 dead that were unvaxxed. That would be just a bit over 50% were unvaxxed. But not quite 40% were actually vaxxed which means vaccines are actually more than 90% effective against death.

If you read the article, the pertinent question was:

"How can the vaxxed make up so few of the ICU patients – those most at risk of dying – and yet end up comprising so many of the total COVID deaths? "

Either Pritzker was lying about the rate of vaxxed in the ICU, or for some reason, vaxxed people are much more likely to avoid the ICU altogether and expire at home. Which do you think it is?

 

[marting]

Either Pritzker was lying about the rate of vaxxed in the ICU, or for some reason, vaxxed people are much more likely to avoid the ICU altogether and expire at home. Which do you think it is?

My guess is that Pritzker was lying. I've seen this before by no other than the Director of the National Institute of Health who stated that 99.5% of the people recently dying were unvaccinated. This at a time when a large percentage of people over 50 had been fully vaccinated. It was obvious hyperbole apparently designed to appeal to the innumerate. I called it out and was attacked as a secret anti-vaxxer.

See this:
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=13546528&postcount=2313

Here's a post with the link to an interview where the Director makes that statement.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/othe...ated-this-virus-is-looking-for-you/vi-AAMpzid

This sort of hyperbole doesn't mean vaccines aren't really good at preventing deaths. They are. But they aren't close to that good.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

The ones that use lipid nanoparticles to deliver to and program your ribosomes with synthetic messenger RNA to produce a genetically modified (GMO) version of the wild virus spike protein, for the hopeful purpose of generating an immune response which clearly fails to prevent transmission of the virus, and may reduce your risks of hospitalization and death due to Covid infection, while adding future unknown risks.

What part of this is experimental?
What part of this is gene therapy?
You have basically debunked yourself here.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

If the mortality data nor the VAERS data cannot necessarily be trusted to give us accurate inferences, which data specifically are you referring to?

Why don't you produce the data you think supports your claims, instead of endlessly demanding others do it for you?
Your claim, your burden of proof.

We know that the roughly 22,000 deaths that are vaccine related, are not all vaccine caused.

What is the source of this number? If it's VAERS, then, as Pixel42 has patiently explained to you, over and over and over again, then it cannot in itself be considered a reliable figure. If it isn't, where has this number come from?

But we also know that the reporting rate is some fraction of 100%, possibly even a small fraction.

No, we don't. That is your own, unsupported assumption.
Why did you not report your friend's problems to VAERS, Tippit?

The death of a young healthy person in temporal proximity to receiving a jab is highly suspicious, and suggestive of a problem with the "vaccine",

Post hoc logical fallacy.

and it seems likely that a reasonably high fraction of those 22,000 related cases are caused by the vaccines,

Unsupported assertion.

and if we divide that number by the reporting rate, whatever you think that is, we're likely to get an estimate that ranges into the tens of thousands of vaccine-caused fatalities, tens of millions of adverse events, and millions of injuries. Do you understand the basic assumptions and the arithmetic behind this?

Oh, I think we understand your assumptions all too well.
The problem is that they are not based on a remotely factual foundation: they are based on your own charming mixture of paranoia and conceit.
You have made a series of unsupported, unevidenced assumptions, and built a conspiratorial house of cards out of them. Utterly unconvincing and comically unimpressive.

 

[Pixel42]

I want to make it clear that when you mentioned breast cancer, i only used it as an example in an analogy. I am making no specific claims about "vaccines" or breast cancer.

The link Bubba posted did, based on what the authors think they see in the VAERS data. That's why I used it as an example.

What I have read, is that the "vaccines" may interfere with type I Interferons, and how they are responsible for the body's "cancer surveillance".

I've read that too. I've yet to see evidence it is actually happening.

Hopefully. I think we both agree that it won't be the mortality or the VAERS data, so the data will have to come from somewhere that you haven't yet specified. Proprietary hospital data?

Data like this:

In 2020, there were 2.3 million women diagnosed with breast cancer and 685 000 deaths globally.

When the figures are published for 2021 we will know if there has been an increase in these numbers, and if so we can investigate whether they are correlated with the vaccine rollout. Similar statistics are collected and published for all illnesses and causes of death.

My point is that given the number of vaccine-related deaths (22,193), and the reporting rate (alleged by the Lazarus Report to be only 1% back around 2007-2010), using some conservative estimates for what fraction of the vaccine-related are actually vaccine caused, and what the actual reported/unreported rates might be, we can easily get estimates of vaccine-caused deaths that range into the tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of people, based on what we already know from VAERS. Do you deny the math?

The conservative estimate for the fraction of any particular adverse event reported to VAERS which are actually vaccine caused is zero. Last I heard the only one which had been shown to be non zero was the rare blood clot problem.

It's possible that there are other types of adverse events whose incidence has risen in a way which will turn out to be correlated with the vaccine rollout, and if so an unusually high incidence of that adverse event in VAERS may well be what alerts us to to them. It's also possible (though unlikely) that there are long term effects of the vaccines that will not manifest, and hence be detected, for years. But I have as yet seen no evidence for anything other than the rare blood clot problem being vaccine caused.

Even if we assume that NONE of the 22,193 associated/related deaths are vaccine-caused, given even conservative estimates of the reporting rate we're talking about numbers of vaccine-associated deaths in the tens or even hundreds of thousands, which would seem to be problematic, unless you think that all of those deaths are just coincidental.

If the VAERS data is a reasonably representative sample (and there's no reason to think it isn't) then it should show any significant sudden increases in particular adverse events that are caused by the vaccines.

People get sick and/or die all the time. Yes, even young and apparently healthy people do so occasionally. Many people, therefore, can be expected to get sick and/or die shortly after receiving a vaccine that the majority of people are receiving. It's a coincidence until and unless there is good reason to think otherwise.

 

[Mojo]

The ones that use lipid nanoparticles to deliver to and program your ribosomes with synthetic messenger RNA to produce a genetically modified (GMO) version of the wild virus spike protein, for the hopeful purpose of generating an immune response which clearly fails to prevent transmission of the virus, and may reduce your risks of hospitalization and death due to Covid infection, while adding future unknown risks.

The ones that aren’t experimental gene therapies, then.

ETA: Thry don’t produce GMOs either, but I suppose that also sounds scary to your target audience.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

The ones that aren’t experimental gene therapies, then.

ETA: They don’t produce GMOs either, but I suppose that also sounds scary to your target audience.

I'm not in any way an expert, so do please correct me if I'm wrong here but:
Surely, if the spike protein had been genetically modified, it wouldn't actually work? Wouldn't that just prompt the immune system to produce antibodies to something that was different from Covid-19?

 

[Tippit]

The ones that aren’t experimental gene therapies, then.

ETA: Thry don’t produce GMOs either, but I suppose that also sounds scary to your target audience.

That’s funny, you’re ignorant. The “vaccine” spike is most certainly genetically modified. It is not the same protein as produced by the wild virus, but the epitope is similar enough for it to produce working antibodies, as well as induce the same toxic effect as the viral (S) protein as documented by the Swedish paper on the subject.

In fact it was genetically modified for the specific purpose of making it “safer”, whether it has is still unknown.


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[Cosmic Yak]

Unlike some, who prefer to sneer and preach from a position of entrenched and hostile ignorance, I am here to learn as much as to debate.
I look into the question of whether the Covid vaccines contain GMOs.
The short answer? Yes and no. The AstraZeneca vaccine contains a modified virus, which is used to inject the spike protein into the cell, in order to stimulate an antibody response. The mRNA used in some of the other vaccines is also slightly modified, in order to make it work better. The protein is not an organism, though, hence the 'yes and no' part.
A couple of links, which certainly helped me as a non-specialist:
https://allianceforscience.cornell....vaccines-use-genetic-engineering-get-over-it/

https://www.epa.govt.nz/community-involvement/science-corner/sars-cov-2-vaccines-and-the-hsno-act/

Tippit's grumbling about possible dangers seems to be based more on his paranoid world view than anything else.
Tippit, old chap, if you do have any factual reason to claim there will be long-term adverse effects to this technology, do please share. Otherwise, I will simply dismiss your rejection of science as fearful luddism.

 

[bruto]

I would have thought that although it might be produced by a GMO, a spike protein, having a distinct paucity of genes itself, would struggle to qualify.

 

[DetectedMotion]

Hello, good sir, let me explain your problem to you:

You (among billions of other humans) have convinced yourself that whatever appears on that computer monitor is automatically true.

Just take a deep breath and repeat the following (about 100-500 times per day):

Just because it is on THE INTERNET it is not necessarily true.


Very simple, right?

Oh, and just in case someone else convinced you to blindly believe any bs just because it it is on THE INTERNET: Punch this someone in the face..

I was trying to find out if anybody has been documenting an all-cause mortality rate from the vaccines because, over time, there will be a need to know what effect the vaccines will have on the human body.
That is why I found the link to the Hatchard report, regarding New Zealand's data on this subject, to be more compelling than the Vaers report in the US.
Since virtually everything is on the internet nowadays, it does increase the odds of finding something possible being true. Perhaps there has to be a reason why the mainstream media has not mentioned this recent hearing going on with Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson?

https://www.onenewspage.com/video/20220128/14235088/Dod-And-Fauci-Caught-In-Massive-Scandal-Hiding.htm

 

[michaelsuede]

Pediatric ICU Nurse Sees 10x Increase In Myocarditis

More confirmation that the vaccines are inuring large numbers of children. Pediatric ICU nurse saw myocarditis jump from 5 to 6 cases a year to 60 after the vaccine rollout. She says she has no doubt that its vaccine related due to the fact that she didn't see any cases come in during the pandemic.

She says MRI follow up showed scaring in about a third of the kids, which indicates a high chance that congestive heart failure may result from the injury. Also says there was no reporting requirement for any of these cases. But don't worry, the government made sure no one can be held responsible for this.

As another anecdote, my co-worker's college age daughter just got the vaccine and ended up in the ICU after a pulmonary embolism and tachycardia.

https://rumble.com/vtge32-tawny-bue...crease-in-the-rate-of-myocarditis-after-.html

 

[Resume]

As another anecdote . . .

Yeah, no.

 

[Steve]

More confirmation that the vaccines are inuring large numbers of children. Pediatric ICU nurse saw myocarditis jump from 5 to 6 cases a year to 60 after the vaccine rollout. She says she has no doubt that its vaccine related due to the fact that she didn't see any cases come in during the pandemic.

She says MRI follow up showed scaring in about a third of the kids, which indicates a high chance that congestive heart failure may result from the injury. Also says there was no reporting requirement for any of these cases. But don't worry, the government made sure no one can be held responsible for this.

As another anecdote, my co-worker's college age daughter just got the vaccine and ended up in the ICU after a pulmonary embolism and tachycardia.

https://rumble.com/vtge32-tawny-bue...crease-in-the-rate-of-myocarditis-after-.html

Well she makes a number of claims, but none of them actually happened.

 

[Resume]

My brother's neighbor's sister's best friend's boyfriend increased his length through this one easy trick.

 

[sts60]

My sister is getting dragged back into a three-month rotation on a Covid floor, after doing case management for a long time, and that after a long career in the ER and other direct patient care settings.

Thanks a lot, anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers. And by “thanks”, I mean go **** yourselves.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Aaaaah, another Kirsch "story"...

Claiming that no-one else is speaking out for fear of being fired...

So, we'll be seeing Buettner fired pretty sharply then, won't we?

More claims and no supporting evidence, which is pretty usual for Kirsch.