Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

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Cosmic Yak said:
Yes, they were. Did you not read the link? Do you not bother to read anything else about this incident?
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No, I didn't read all of it because it's behind a paywall, and I am not supporting corporate media.

As for the side effects, do you have any evidence that any of them were caused by the Ivermectin?

Then there's the financial harm:
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There seems to be a problem charging prisoners for their medical care in the first place, given that by being imprisoned it's difficult for most of them to earn money. This has nothing to do with Ivermectin.

Malpractice would also include lying to your patients, no?
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Yes. Unlike you and other medical tyrants, I support informed consent, and body autonomy, for the 2nd time.

Furthermore, you claim the use of Ivermectin for Covid treatment is 'non-experimental'. Have you got a citation for that?
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There are no "citations" and indeed no evidence that will convince you, because you're a pro-experimental gene therapy, anti-treatment zealot. Ivermectin in the treatment of Covid is as experimental as any other Covid treatment, and since the safety profile and history of Ivermectin are well known and it's proven safe, the drug itself is clearly not experimental. At worst, it has little to no effect.

Now I've spoonfed you the evidence, would you like to reconsider that conclusion?
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No. You've said nothing substantial.
 
Foster Zygote said:
Something interesting I've noticed is that conspiracy theories, in general, typically have different adherents promoting mutually contradictory components of the theory. Yet it's rare to see them openly challenging other conspiracy theorists.
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In contrast to pseudo-skeptical experimental gene therapy big pharma zealots, who throw anyone who even remotely disagrees with them under the bus in the promotion of their cult-like agenda to jab everyone on the planet, wanted or not?

We've had Tom Palven and CE, for example, telling us that COVID-19 isn't even real, and that it's either the flu or a bad cold that people are experiencing. Tom has gone so far as to claim that deaths from "COVID" are actually the psychosomatic result of the unfounded fear of COVID.

At the same time we have Tuppet telling us that COVID-19 is real, but that it should be treated with an anti-parasitic instead of vaccines. But something tells me that we won't see either side of this issue openly contradicting each other here.
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I know the disease is real, because I've had it, and the symptoms were unlike anything I've had before. I also know people who have had it, and people who have died from it, and people who have died from the "vaccine".

Unlike pseudo-skeptics who demand strict conformity to big pharma pseudo-science narratives, we are under no obligation to completely agree with each other, and that's fine. I support free speech, even for people who completely disagree with me, and even for people who may be very dangerous. You do not.
 
dubious ivermectin study

Last year Derek Lowe wrote about ivermectin here. "Update: one of the more positive studies now appears to have fallen apart, and very badly, with strong evidence of faked data and poor controls. It appears that if this one is taken out, that some meta-analyses of ivermectin trials that have pointed towards possible benefit may no longer even do so. . ."
 
Tippit said:
In contrast to pseudo-skeptical experimental gene therapy big pharma zealots, who throw anyone who even remotely disagrees with them under the bus in the promotion of their cult-like agenda to jab everyone on the planet, wanted or not?
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It sure is fun to say "experimental gene therapy", isn't it? It's so satisfyingly histrionic, like claiming that brave freedom fighters are being subjected to death by starvation because they're, apparently, too stupid to figure out how to use curbside pickup at the grocery store. Too bad it's still a lie.

And remember that the "pseudo-skeptics" (that's another fun catchphrase, yes?) are actually a massive consensus of millions of scientists, doctor and nurses all over the world. So they must all be fully committed to the Evil Plot™, or you must be a cutting edge genius compared to whom they're all just a bunch of mentally retarded incompetents. So which is it?

I know the disease is real, because I've had it, and the symptoms were unlike anything I've had before.
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Well you should tell that to Tom Palven. He thinks you were suffering from a psychosomatic delusion based on your susceptibility to "panic-porn media".

I also know people who have had it, and people who have died from it, and people who have died from the "vaccine".
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I call ********. That's like saying you know two people who won the Powerball in different drawings.

Unlike pseudo-skeptics who demand strict conformity to big pharma pseudo-science narratives, we are under no obligation to completely agree with each other, and that's fine.
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It just seems like you guys are giving each other a free pass as long as you broadly support each other's positions that mainstream scientific consensus is wrong.

Honestly, I think it's pretty funny that Tom, who admits to being vaccinated, thinks that you were deluded by the mainstream media into thinking that a common cold/flu was a serious disease.

I support free speech, even for people who completely disagree with me, and even for people who may be very dangerous. You do not.
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Have you always been this melodramatic? Have you always played the victim when someone argues against you? Saying that you are wrong is not a call to repress your free speech. Claiming that - putting those words in my mouth - is both a lie, and as ridiculously pathetic a misrepresentation as claiming that requiring masks at grocery stores will cause heroes like you to literally starve to death.
 
Tippit said:
No, I didn't read all of it because it's behind a paywall, and I am not supporting corporate media.
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The Guardian is not behind a paywall, unless it's different in America. Even if it was, there was nothing to stop you looking at that story from a different source. The simple truth of the matter is that you couldn't be bothered to do even the most basic research.

Tippit said:
As for the side effects, do you have any evidence that any of them were caused by the Ivermectin?
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As you accept that there were side effects, and you accept the prisoners took Ivermectin, and as these particular side effects are known to be caused by Ivermectin, I think it's rather up to you to show how they weren't caused by Ivermectin, but by something else. What other cause do you suggest, and what evidence do you have to support that?

Tippit said:
There seems to be a problem charging prisoners for their medical care in the first place, given that by being imprisoned it's difficult for most of them to earn money. This has nothing to do with Ivermectin.
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Wait- I thought you opposed the idea of making profits from unwanted and unproven medical interventions? Do you support the idea that doctors should profit from lying to their patients, and giving them drugs that make them more ill, thus requiring further medical treatment which they have to pay for?
This is part of the lawsuit, and your feeble attempt at handwaving only shows your double standards.

Tippit said:
Yes. Unlike you and other medical tyrants, I support informed consent, and body autonomy, for the 2nd time.
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And yet here you are, bending over backwards to excuse and minimise any fault or damage caused by just such a practice.

Tippit said:
There are no "citations" and indeed no evidence that will convince you,
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Well, it's nice of you to admit that- not for the first time, I believe.
However, I'm actually more interested in what evidence convinced you that Ivermectin is useful for treating Covid. Do you really believe that, even though you've got no evidence at all for it?

Tippit said:
because you're a pro-experimental gene therapy, anti-treatment zealot. Ivermectin in the treatment of Covid is as experimental as any other Covid treatment,
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Wait- now you're admitting that it is experimental! :jaw-dropp

And you still support its use! :jaw-dropp

Tippit said:
and since the safety profile and history of Ivermectin are well known and it's proven safe,
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Yet it still has side effects, and it is not safe in the kind of doses that are contained in animal medicines.

Tippit said:
the drug itself is clearly not experimental.
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When it comes to treating Covid, it absolutely is. You just admitted there is no evidence that it works for Covid. If it hasn't passed any trials, or been approved by any medical organisations, then it is totally experimental.

Tippit said:
At worst, it has little to no effect.
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Still not true, and, even if it was, that is no reason to administer it. Plus, as you keep saying you have no evidence of any effects either way, so your opinion is basically worthless.

Tippit said:
No. You've said nothing substantial.
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As opposed to your little evidence-free rant about tyranny and all the rest of your endlessly regurgitated counterfactual guff? It is to laugh.
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of what confirmation bias looks like.
 
If you haven't heard the latest drivel from Dr. Robert Malone on Joe Rogan, I highly recommend the podcast "Decoding the Gurus," who have a 3 hour (!) summary of Malone and Peter McCulloch's latest appearances on the podcast.

Quick summary - disingenuous, conspiracy-minded pricks lie to gullible podcaster.
 
carlitos said:
If you haven't heard the latest drivel from Dr. Robert Malone on Joe Rogan, I highly recommend the podcast "Decoding the Gurus," who have a 3 hour (!) summary of Malone and Peter McCulloch's latest appearances on the podcast.

Quick summary - disingenuous, conspiracy-minded pricks lie to gullible podcaster.
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Joe Rogan really is one of the dumbest ***** I've ever seen. Plus (or minus) he's a lying dumb ****.
 
Getting my cabbage soup veggies today, two maskless karens took up the middle of an aisle while they spouted anti-mask mandate nonsense, and how they fought them at work and how they were successful, yada-yada-yada.

They were then only maskless ones in the store and methinks they were looking for a confrontation, which I nearly gave them, but thought "nah," they're too cement-headed for it to do any good, which I guess is true for most misinformationists.
 
Letter To Senate Detailing NIH, NIAID and FDA Malfeasance

This letter was sent to the Senate recently covering a litany of malfeasance by the federal health services.

https://www.scribd.com/document/553669611/Letter-to-Senate-Detailing-NIH-NIAID-and-FDA-Malfeasance

Global COVID Summit – Declaration of Physicians
NIH, NIAID, FDA Malfeasance, Request for HHS OIG Investigation and Legislative Action

January 18, 2022

Senator Rand H. Paul
167 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Paul:

I write to you to share the concerns of over 15,000 physicians and medical scientists who have signed a declaration taking issue with the current management of the government’s COVID-19 response [1].

The FDA recently issued a notice [2] to the Federation of State Medical Boards, warning them that pharmacies and doctors should not be selling or prescribing ivermectin under the claim that ivermectin can treat or prevent COVID-19. Doctors around the country are being threatened by medical boards, at the direction of the FDA, with having their licenses revoked if they offer ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19, even though newly leaked documents [3] show the government knew ivermectin was a highly effective treatment for COVID-19 during the early stages of the pandemic.
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A tale of two protease inhibitors

michaelsuede,

No, ivermectin does not work against Covid-19. Last year Derek Lowe wrote about ivermectin at In the Pipeline. "Update: one of the more positive studies now appears to have fallen apart, and very badly, with strong evidence of faked data and poor controls. It appears that if this one is taken out, that some meta-analyses of ivermectin trials that have pointed towards possible benefit may no longer even do so. . ."

On the other hand, the protease inhibitor Paxlovid actually works.
 
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I don't really care what Derek Lowe wrote a year ago. There are now 54 peer reviewed studies showing it works, up two from just a few days ago. More are coming.

I suppose I should add that I have first hand experience with it working as well. Cured me, my friend and both of my elderly parents within about six hours of taking it. Ask anyone who has had COVID and taken ivermectin at early symptom onset if it works. They will tell you the same thing I am, and the same thing 54 peer reviewed studies are saying.

Ivermectin is a "category killer" - this one drug can take out Nyquil, Alka Seltzer, Tamiflu, etc.. etc.. and not only that, it has serious potential for cancer treatment as well. The pharmaceutical industry is crapping their pants over it. After experiencing just how effective it is, I will NEVER be without some in my medicine cabinet.
 
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michaelsuede said:
I don't really care what Derek Lowe wrote a year ago. There are now 54 peer reviewed studies showing it works, up two from just a few days ago. More are coming.

I suppose I should add that I have first hand experience with it working as well. Cured me, my friend and both of my elderly parents within about six hours of taking it. Ask anyone who has had COVID and taken ivermectin at early symptom onset if it works. They will tell you the same thing I am, and the same thing 54 peer reviewed studies are saying.

Ivermectin is a "category killer" - this one drug can take out Nyquil, Alka Seltzer, Tamiflu, etc.. etc.. and not only that, it has serious potential for cancer treatment as well. The pharmaceutical industry is crapping their pants over it. After experiencing just how effective it is, I will NEVER be without some in my medicine cabinet.
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What is the best study?

Please link to it….
 
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