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Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Reopened Part V

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Reformed Offlian said:
No one is quizzing you to see what you can remember off the top of your head. Your audience's lack of trust in your offhand recollections is part of the issue.

The other posters here already have a good idea where you got the idea that the Egyptians deported by Sweden in 2002 were disappeared; you inadvertently told us yourself. You don't seem to appreciate how recognizable certain CT canards are to people used to confronting them. It's up to you to prove otherwise at this point.

Either you have a non-Bollyn-adjacent source supporting your claim that the Egyptian's deportations were a case of enforced disappearance or you don't.

If you do, pray do tell. If you don't, admit it so that we can put this toxic talking point in the bin with all the other CT trash.
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Amnesty International was following the story, for a start: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde12/006/2002/en/

And yes, I was a subscriber for several years.

I am also subscribed to Yad Vashem. I visited the Yad Vashem museum in Jerusalem, before you dare try to make insinuations I agree with unsavoury views such as Bollyn's.
 
Vixen said:
Rockwater Report states clearly they could have recovered up to 200 bodies.


Raising the Estonia was also said to be manageable. A fraction of the cost of the SEK65,000,000 spent throwing rocks and stones over the wreck.
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How would it be manageable?

So they recover 200 bodies, what happens to the others?

Rockwater are a diving company, not a salvage company.
 
Vixen said:
I am also subscribed to Yad Vashem. I visited the Yad Vashem museum in Jerusalem, before you dare try to make insinuations I agree with unsavoury views such as Bollyn's.
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You also quoted MV lehti as a source. The editor of MV Lehti was (*) an antisemite who believed that jewish conspiracy controls Finnish media.

If you don't want people to think that you are an antisemite, don't quote antisemites as authorities.


(*) "Was" because he died about a year ago, not "was" because he had come to his senses.
 
Vixen said:
In addition, I did not say he accepted a medal under false pretences.
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You said this about why Svensson was given a medal:

Vixen said:
Truth is, Svensson was given the gold medal for having earlier brought the top brass officers to Huddinge on his earlier flight, and as compensation for having this rescue 'classified', with only one later survivor credited to his helicopter.
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Vixen said:
That is untrue. I must have quoted Aftonbladet and the JAIC Report a dozen times saying he rescued seven, eight or nine.

According to JAIC what he did is set out in 7.5.5.

In addition, I did not say he accepted a medal under false pretences.

All in your mind. Try not to twist my words.
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Surreal.
 
Vixen, you also said this about the reason Svensson was given a medal:

Vixen said:
Svensson got the medal as his rescue had to be classified owing to the people he picked up being top Estonian crew whom were listed as survivors but then mysteriously disappeared.

It was to compensate for being only credited with one rescue in the official JAIC figures.
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Vixen said:
That is untrue. I must have quoted Aftonbladet and the JAIC Report a dozen times saying he rescued seven, eight or nine.

According to JAIC what he did is set out in 7.5.5.

In addition, I did not say he accepted a medal under false pretences.

All in your mind. Try not to twist my words.
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You repeatedly insisted that the JAIC only credited Svensson with one rescue. You only recently and grudgingly backed off of this claim. Do you deny this?
 
Vixen, that's three times you said that Svensson was only credited with 1 rescue.

edit: three times I was able to find via a quick search, there may have been more.
 
Vixen said:
Amnesty International was following the story, for a start: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde12/006/2002/en/

And yes, I was a subscriber for several years.

I am also subscribed to Yad Vashem. I visited the Yad Vashem museum in Jerusalem, before you dare try to make insinuations I agree with unsavoury views such as Bollyn's.
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Does Amnesty International say that it was a case of enforced disappearance? No, they do not.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Vixen also used the phrase 'to keep him sweet'
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Ah yes, here's the actual quote from Vixen:

Vixen said:
It was an award to keep him sweet for having the real reason for the medal classified.
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So there you go, he accepted the award under false pretences. He accepted it for one reason that was given in public, but it was actually given to him for another reason that was secret (secreting away the officers of the Estonia), according to Vixen.
 
Vixen said:
I am also subscribed to Yad Vashem. I visited the Yad Vashem museum in Jerusalem, before you dare try to make insinuations I agree with unsavoury views such as Bollyn's.
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Show me one non-Bollyn-adjacent source who says the Egyptians were forcibly disappeared. AI doesn't.
 
Vixen said:
Amnesty International was following the story, for a start: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde12/006/2002/en/

And yes, I was a subscriber for several years.

I am also subscribed to Yad Vashem. I visited the Yad Vashem museum in Jerusalem, before you dare try to make insinuations I agree with unsavoury views such as Bollyn's.
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I do not believe a word of that. Why would anyone believe the word of a demonstrable liar?
 
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