Cont: Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories Part IV

[Cosmic Yak]

Good luck with that. I predict an Ad Hominem style response such as, "I originally thought (insert name/subject) was (insert desirable attribute), but I was wrong".

Possibly.
I think he'll ignore this entirely, and go on to some other nonsensical point, possibly involving dancing on a pin- or maybe beaver teeth. In any case, the point of being a fearless truth-seeker is to run headlong from the truth whenever it appears.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

An impressive achievement

Vague arguments against Big Pharma don't impress me much. However even if they did, I would still trust Eric Topol. Here is a portion of his pinned tweet about the vaccines: "This will go down in history as one of science and medical research's greatest achievements. Perhaps the most impressive."

 

[Steve]

Are they critical thinkers?

Why should I try to emulate them?

Sorry, but I truly believe that Kit Knightly is a critical thinker, regardless of what the conventional wisdom is.

I agree with Foster Zygote:

Some of them. But the important thing is that the scientists saying they should get vaccinated most definitely are critical thinkers. That's what science is, Tom - a methodology for critical thinking. You don't have to be an oncologist to justify quitting smoking, and you don't need to be a virologist to justify getting vaccinated. You just have to be educated enough not to throw perfectly good virgins into volcanos to appease the gods because you understand the function and reliability of the scientific method.


Because they aren't stupidly rejecting scientific consensus.


You also, apparently, believe that he was an investigative journalist employed by The Guardian. He's not a critical thinker. He's a ******* moron contradicting an entire field of science. He's as big a ******* moron as Ken Ham or Bart Sibrel.

 

[Tom Palven]

I agree with Foster Zygote:

And I agree with Kit Knightly, Jay Bhattacharya, Martin Kulldorff, Sunetra Gupta, and the late Eric Hoffer and George Carlin, among others.

So, it looks like we're just going to have to wait and see how this all plays out.

 

[Foster Zygote]

This is actually quite funny, and worth a read if anyone has a few spare minutes.
https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=32955&start=200

In a nutshell, Tom Palven spends page after page screaming that Matthew Ellard is a lying scumbag, hurls the same insults at another member, and gets himself suspended for it.

Tom Palven: if you don't like ad hominem attacks, why do you spend so much time doing this yourself?

Apparently, he's really proud of his ability to fling infantile insults and expects we'll all be suitability impressed by seeing him at his best. If it weren't for that damnable MA, he'd be able to win every argument by calling us scumbags.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I agree with this statement of yours, and we should not pretend that all competent scientists are in lockstep with America's Tony Fauci.

Sunetra Gupta, Martin Kulldorff, and Jay Bhattacharya are among the many scientists who believe that some of the FDA and CDC "cures" are worse than the disease.

Sunetra Gupta is a Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at Oxford. Jay Bhattacharya is a professor at Stanford, and Martin Kulldorff is a Harvard professor of medicine.

Those particular scientists have credentials as long as your arm, but there are many many other scientists who disagree with Fauci and Big Pharma who should not simply be dismissed as quacks.

You're playing the same dishonest game as creationists. They also point to a handful of outlier cranks and shout "teach the controversy!!!".

There is a massive scientific consensus arrayed against you on this one. I know you don't like that, but you can't make that fact go away with a monomaniacal focus on Anthony Fauci as the Great Satan of your ungrounded conspiracy theory.

 

[Tom Palven]

You're playing the same dishonest game as creationists. They also point to a handful of outlier cranks and shout "teach the controversy!!!".

It's a wonder that you can dismiss the people I cited as cranks, but be that as it may, orthodox covidists have exclusive speech rights over at The One Covid-19 Science and Medicine Thread, so why should two or three dissenters from the conventional wisdom seem like a painful burden for you to bear here?

 

[Steve]

And I agree with Kit Knightly, Jay Bhattacharya, Martin Kulldorff, Sunetra Gupta, and the late Eric Hoffer and George Carlin, among others.

So, it looks like we're just going to have to wait and see how this all plays out.

Or you could, you know, provide the scientific evidence behind the opinions of those you agree with.

Particularly the scientist (and 13 years deceased) George Carlin's opinions on COVID vaccines.

 

[Foster Zygote]

And I agree with Kit Knightly, Jay Bhattacharya, Martin Kulldorff, Sunetra Gupta, and the late Eric Hoffer and George Carlin, among others.

So, it looks like we're just going to have to wait and see how this all plays out.

But there's no indication that Eric Hoffer would agree with you. I asked you to show us where Hoffer ever characterized the biological sciences as a "mass movement", like a religion, or a political party. I asked you to name any mass movements like those discussed by Hoffer that are supported by an overwhelming scientific consensus. But you evaded that issue, exactly as I predicted. You've clearly never read Hoffer - you just came across him in your search for evidence supporting your pet theory that the present pandemic is just a mass delusion that even the scientific community has succumbed to. But by referencing him, you make yourself seem more educated than you are. The sad thing is that the anti-science conspiracy theory movement that you belong to is exactly the sort of thing he was interested in.

And you have no way of knowing that George Carlin (who was not a biologist, incase you haven't noticed) wouldn't consider you an anti-science loon. In the stand up routine you keep linking to, he is clearly talking about people who overreact to common, everyday pathogens, not mocking the very idea of fighting diseases. He even asks what the germophobes will do when a real epidemic comes along.

You're just trying to pad your references to make it look like they aren't all crackpots. But then it's easy to speak for the dead, isn't it?

 

[Cosmic Yak]

This forum should be about subject matter and not personalities,

And I agree with Kit Knightly, Jay Bhattacharya, Martin Kulldorff, Sunetra Gupta, and the late Eric Hoffer and George Carlin, among others.

No, I'm going back to my view that this is performance art.
No-one could be seriously making these kinds of posts. It's got to be a put-on.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Possibly.
I think he'll ignore this entirely, and go on to some other nonsensical point, possibly involving dancing on a pin- or maybe beaver teeth. In any case, the point of being a fearless truth-seeker is to run headlong from the truth whenever it appears.

It's a wonder that you can dismiss the people I cited as cranks, but be that as it may, orthodox covidists have exclusive speech rights over at The One Covid-19 Science and Medicine Thread, so why should two or three dissenters from the conventional wisdom seem like a painful burden for you to bear here?

Called it.

 

[Steve]

It's a wonder that you can dismiss the people I cited as cranks, but be that as it may, orthodox covidists have exclusive speech rights over at The One Covid-19 Science and Medicine Thread, so why should two or three dissenters from the conventional wisdom seem like a painful burden for you to bear here?

No wonder at all. They are merely mundane cranks with no valid scientific evidence to support their positions.

You and your ilk posting here are not so much of a burden. Your ignorant views are effortlessly refuted by the actual science that you are denying.

"Covidists" . Your own invention?

 

[carlitos]

This is actually quite funny, and worth a read if anyone has a few spare minutes.
https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=32955&start=200

In a nutshell, Tom Palven spends page after page screaming that Matthew Ellard is a lying scumbag, hurls the same insults at another member, and gets himself suspended for it.

Tom Palven: if you don't like ad hominem attacks, why do you spend so much time doing this yourself?

Thanks for sharing that. I was literally scrolling up and down the page, wondering who "Ellard" was.


Maybe this is performance art and maybe it isn't. What it is not is interesting or thoughtful.

 

[Foster Zygote]

It's a wonder that you can dismiss the people I cited as cranks, but be that as it may, orthodox covidists have exclusive speech rights over at The One Covid-19 Science and Medicine Thread, so why should two or three dissenters from the conventional wisdom seem like a painful burden for you to bear here?

It's a wonder that you can dismiss an overwhelming majority of scientists in favor of a few cherry picked individuals who agree with your preferred assumptions.

If 99 out of 100 doctors tell you to have surgery to remove a brain tumor, are you going to give greater weight to the opinion of the one doctor who tells you to just ride it out, simply because that response appeals to you emotionally?

 

[eerok]

It's a wonder that you can dismiss the people I cited as cranks, but be that as it may, orthodox covidists have exclusive speech rights over at The One Covid-19 Science and Medicine Thread, so why should two or three dissenters from the conventional wisdom seem like a painful burden for you to bear here?

You could avoid future embarrassment by learning something about science and how it works. Misrepresentation and logical fallacy aren't part of the methodology, and it doesn't help that you're like a moth to the flame when it comes to bad science.

 

[bruto]

I must say I am a bit mystified by a person's willingness to destroy his credibility with the inability to admit error in things that should, actually, be of no importance at all.

I am, for example, a great admirer of Mr. Rogers. There is an urban legend that he was a Navy Seal, which he was not. It's a lie. If I had once held that view, it would be a stupid thing to hold on to it, after seeing considerable evidence that it was untrue. It would also, I believe, be stupid to believe that letting go of that lie would invalidate my admiration for Mr. Rogers. If I were engaged in a debate about Mr. Rogers' influence on children, throwing in a gratuitous lie would do me no favor.

What such obstinacy would do, fairly obviously, would be to demonstrate to the world how impervious I am to fact and would suggest that I consider the error essential and integral to my argument - an admission that my own opinion might be changed if truth were admitted. It should go without saying, but I will mention anyway, that the same thing would apply if I continually asserted, against all evidence, that Mr. Rogers had been a correspondent for a newspaper.

It would be an additional irony if my dependence on false authority were part of an argument against the dependence on authority, but I will let others decide whether such a strange beast is afoot here.

 

[Resume]

So, it looks like we're just going to have to wait and see how this all plays out.

It has played out, and continues to with over 5 million dead worldwide and multi-millions more suffering long term illness due to Covid. This is the objective reality, despite disinformationists like yourself and those who have gulled you.

 

[threadworm]

It's a wonder that you can dismiss the people I cited as cranks, but be that as it may, orthodox covidists have exclusive speech rights over at The One Covid-19 Science and Medicine Thread, so why should two or three dissenters from the conventional wisdom seem like a painful burden for you to bear here?

Because your dissent is il-informed and based more on patellar reflex than facts and information? Because that kind of dissent has literally killed people?

 

[Axxman300]

Fun heads-up:

The MAGA crowd are now buying up Viagra because some lady who was in a COVID-19 coma was given it by accident, and she had a "miraculous" recovery.

So...they're now hoarding a Pfizer product because they don't trust the other Pfizer product. Just buy Pfizer stocks on Monday.

 

[bruto]

Fun heads-up:

The MAGA crowd are now buying up Viagra because some lady who was in a COVID-19 coma was given it by accident, and she had a "miraculous" recovery.

So...they're now hoarding a Pfizer product because they don't trust the other Pfizer product. Just buy Pfizer stocks on Monday.

I think it's wonderfully ironic not only that they're taking one Pfizer product out of distrust for another, but they've fixed on that particular blue pill.