The supernatural

[Lothian]

The word "particle" is mentioned 4 times and the derivatives of the word "particle word" are mentioned 23 times in the Qur'an. The word "tiny particle" is mentioned twice in the Qur'an. (fundamental particles) The original of this word is mentioned 6 times in total. I have answered your question in the Previous messages. No wonder you haven't read or deliberately asked again. Because the basis of your thinking and action is system aversion and logic aversion. And I have already mentioned this to you. This is not a good practice. I will tell you again the meaning of verses 10/61 and 34/3. Please read carefully. This is your answer. And I have said before:
10/61:
Qarib: You are not engaged in any matter, neither do you recite any portion of the Koran, nor do you do any work, except that We are witnesses over you when you press upon it? Not even as much as the weight of an Particle in earth or heaven escapes your Lord, nor is there anything smaller . (fundamental particles) or greater, but it is (recorded) in a Clear Book.
Sarwar: (Muhammad), We bear witness to all your affairs; whatever you recite from the Quran and whatever you (people) do. Nothing in the heavens or the earth is hidden from your Lord, even that which is as small as an atom's weight or greater or smaller. (fundamental particles) All is recorded in the glorious Book.
Shakir: And you are not (engaged) in any affair, nor do you recite concerning it any portion of the Quran, nor do you do any work but We are witnesses over you when you enter into it, and there does not lie concealed from your Lord the weight of an atom in the earth or in the heaven, nor any thing less than(fundamental particles) that nor greater, but it is in a clear book
Pickthall: And thou (Muhammad) art not occupied with any business and thou recitest not a Lecture from this (Scripture), and ye (mankind) perform no act, but We are Witness of you when ye are engaged therein. And not an atom's weight in the earth or in the sky escapeth your Lord, nor what is less than(fundamental particles) that or greater than that, but it is (written) in a clear Book.
Yusufali: In whatever business thou mayest be, and whatever portion thou mayest be reciting from the Qur'an,- and whatever deed ye (mankind) may be doing,- We are witnesses thereof when ye are deeply engrossed therein. Nor is hidden from thy Lord (so much as) the weight of an atom on the earth or in heaven. And not the least(fundamental particles) and not the greatest of these things but are recorded in a clear record.
34/3:
Qarib: The unbelievers say: 'The Hour will never come to us. ' Say: 'By my Lord, yes, it is surely coming to you! By Him who knows the Unseen, not even the weight of an atom in heavens and earth escapes Him; neither is there anything smaller than that, (fundamental particles) nor greater except that it is in a Clear Book,
Sarwar: The disbelievers have said, "There will be no Hour of Doom." Say, "By my Lord, it certainly will come. My Lord knows the unseen. Not even an atom's weight in the heavens or the earth remains hidden from Him. Nothing exists greater or smaller than(fundamental particles) this without its record in the illustrious Book.
Shakir: And those who disbelieve say: The hour shall not come upon us. Say: Yea! by my Lord, the Knower of the unseen, it shall certainly come upon you; not the weight of an atom becomes absent from Him, in the heavens or in the earth, and neither less than(fundamental particles) that nor greater, but (all) is in a clear book
Pickthall: Those who disbelieve say: The Hour will never come unto us. Say: Nay, by my Lord, but it is coming unto you surely. (He is) the Knower of the Unseen. Not an atom's weight, or less than(fundamental particles) that or greater, escapeth Him in the heavens or in the earth, but it is in a clear Record,
Yusufali: The Unbelievers say, "Never to us will come the Hour": Say, "Nay! but most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you;- by Him Who knows the unseen,- from Whom is not hidden the least little atom in the heavens or on earth: Nor is there anything less than that, (fundamental particles) or greater, but is in the Record Perspicuous:

Thank you. Verses 10/61 and 34/3 I have seen translated as speck of dust and grain of sand.
Certainly these verses are not explaining science. They are simply using a common expression that has no scientific detail or worth..

There is no listing of particles, no explanation of them. Nothing of any use to a child never mind a scientist. Please stop writing about quarks and leptons as if they have anything to do with the Qur'an.

 

[Lothian]

Please, please do not repeat your useless question again because of the atmosphere created for my Quranic messages. Repeating this question is rooted in your enmity with God. Stop this action. I wish you health.

The atmosphere is not created for your Quranic messages. They are useless. As is your God.
This forum wants proof and evidence of the science you claim is in the Qur'an. So far you have failed to show a speck of dust of evidence of any science in the Qur'an that was not known to those around when the story was made up.
I couldn't put it better than you
"it has historical roots. It has no application in our time"
That is true of the whole Qur'an.

 

[abaddon]

Your reply was given in message 1919. Verses mentioned in the Qur'an to kill infidels. It is related to the infidel war against Muslims in the time of Muhammad. And it has historical roots. It has no application in our time. He does not tell us to kill the infidel. And the reason for this command of God was that: The infidels brutally tortured and killed the Muslims. And all the wars were started by infidels. So God ordered the killing of these savages. Islam never starts a war. We defend ourselves only after the aggression of the enemies. I hope you understand. As I said, we have friendly and direct relations with the infidel countries of China and the Soviet Union in all fields. Do we kill them? of course not. I hope you got your answer. And do not ask again. My friend's 8-year-old daughter also understands this very easily.

My children are atheists. I did not do it. They came to that all of their lonesome. Your magic book would have me kill them. My eldest is transgender. You would have me kill him. Your magic book is stupid.

Please, please do not repeat your useless question again because of the atmosphere created for my Quranic messages.

The quran is full of it. It makes stupid claims. Mo sailed up to heaven on the back of a unicorn?

Repeating this question is rooted in your enmity with God.

No. It is rooted in the fact that you cannot answer it

top this action.

Top the action of allah. That is hilarious. Any clown can top the actions of allah as described. You really struggle to describe any action allah ever did.

I wish you health.

Nope. You wish us death.

Allah is a hideous imaginary nonsense and Mo is his hideous prophet. And both do not really exist anyway. Mo the pedo probably existed. That's it.

 

[Scorpion]

The word "particle" is mentioned 4 times and the derivatives of the word "particle word" are mentioned 23 times in the Qur'an. The word "tiny particle" is mentioned twice in the Qur'an. (fundamental particles) The original of this word is mentioned 6 times in total. I have answered your question in the Previous messages. No wonder you haven't read or deliberately asked again. Because the basis of your thinking and action is system aversion and logic aversion. And I have already mentioned this to you. This is not a good practice. I will tell you again the meaning of verses 10/61 and 34/3. Please read carefully. This is your answer. And I have said before:
10/61:
Qarib: You are not engaged in any matter, neither do you recite any portion of the Koran, nor do you do any work, except that We are witnesses over you when you press upon it? Not even as much as the weight of an Particle in earth or heaven escapes your Lord, nor is there anything smaller . (fundamental particles) or greater, but it is (recorded) in a Clear Book.
Sarwar: (Muhammad), We bear witness to all your affairs; whatever you recite from the Quran and whatever you (people) do. Nothing in the heavens or the earth is hidden from your Lord, even that which is as small as an atom's weight or greater or smaller. (fundamental particles) All is recorded in the glorious Book.
Shakir: And you are not (engaged) in any affair, nor do you recite concerning it any portion of the Quran, nor do you do any work but We are witnesses over you when you enter into it, and there does not lie concealed from your Lord the weight of an atom in the earth or in the heaven, nor any thing less than(fundamental particles) that nor greater, but it is in a clear book
Pickthall: And thou (Muhammad) art not occupied with any business and thou recitest not a Lecture from this (Scripture), and ye (mankind) perform no act, but We are Witness of you when ye are engaged therein. And not an atom's weight in the earth or in the sky escapeth your Lord, nor what is less than(fundamental particles) that or greater than that, but it is (written) in a clear Book.
Yusufali: In whatever business thou mayest be, and whatever portion thou mayest be reciting from the Qur'an,- and whatever deed ye (mankind) may be doing,- We are witnesses thereof when ye are deeply engrossed therein. Nor is hidden from thy Lord (so much as) the weight of an atom on the earth or in heaven. And not the least(fundamental particles) and not the greatest of these things but are recorded in a clear record.
34/3:
Qarib: The unbelievers say: 'The Hour will never come to us. ' Say: 'By my Lord, yes, it is surely coming to you! By Him who knows the Unseen, not even the weight of an atom in heavens and earth escapes Him; neither is there anything smaller than that, (fundamental particles) nor greater except that it is in a Clear Book,
Sarwar: The disbelievers have said, "There will be no Hour of Doom." Say, "By my Lord, it certainly will come. My Lord knows the unseen. Not even an atom's weight in the heavens or the earth remains hidden from Him. Nothing exists greater or smaller than(fundamental particles) this without its record in the illustrious Book.
Shakir: And those who disbelieve say: The hour shall not come upon us. Say: Yea! by my Lord, the Knower of the unseen, it shall certainly come upon you; not the weight of an atom becomes absent from Him, in the heavens or in the earth, and neither less than(fundamental particles) that nor greater, but (all) is in a clear book
Pickthall: Those who disbelieve say: The Hour will never come unto us. Say: Nay, by my Lord, but it is coming unto you surely. (He is) the Knower of the Unseen. Not an atom's weight, or less than(fundamental particles) that or greater, escapeth Him in the heavens or in the earth, but it is in a clear Record,
Yusufali: The Unbelievers say, "Never to us will come the Hour": Say, "Nay! but most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you;- by Him Who knows the unseen,- from Whom is not hidden the least little atom in the heavens or on earth: Nor is there anything less than that, (fundamental particles) or greater, but is in the Record Perspicuous:

The word 'atom' in the Quran is not referring to the modern concept of atoms, it is referring to the ancient Greek atomist theories. I cannot find the word particle in the quran translations I have, but the word atom appears.

In the 5th century BCE, Leucippus and his pupil Democritus proposed that all matter was composed of small indivisible particles called atoms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomism

 

[IanS]

The word "particle" is mentioned 4 times and the derivatives of the word "particle word" are mentioned 23 times in the Qur'an. The word "tiny particle" is mentioned twice in the Qur'an. (fundamental particles) The original of this word is mentioned 6 times in total. I have answered your question in the Previous messages. No wonder you haven't read or deliberately asked again. Because the basis of your thinking and action is system aversion and logic aversion. And I have already mentioned this to you. This is not a good practice. I will tell you again the meaning of verses 10/61 and 34/3. Please read carefully. This is your answer. And I have said before:
10/61:
Qarib: You are not engaged in any matter, neither do you recite any portion of the Koran, nor do you do any work, except that We are witnesses over you when you press upon it? Not even as much as the weight of an Particle in earth or heaven escapes your Lord, nor is there anything smaller . (fundamental particles) or greater, but it is (recorded) in a Clear Book.
Sarwar: (Muhammad), We bear witness to all your affairs; whatever you recite from the Quran and whatever you (people) do. Nothing in the heavens or the earth is hidden from your Lord, even that which is as small as an atom's weight or greater or smaller. (fundamental particles) All is recorded in the glorious Book.
Shakir: And you are not (engaged) in any affair, nor do you recite concerning it any portion of the Quran, nor do you do any work but We are witnesses over you when you enter into it, and there does not lie concealed from your Lord the weight of an atom in the earth or in the heaven, nor any thing less than(fundamental particles) that nor greater, but it is in a clear book
Pickthall: And thou (Muhammad) art not occupied with any business and thou recitest not a Lecture from this (Scripture), and ye (mankind) perform no act, but We are Witness of you when ye are engaged therein. And not an atom's weight in the earth or in the sky escapeth your Lord, nor what is less than(fundamental particles) that or greater than that, but it is (written) in a clear Book.
Yusufali: In whatever business thou mayest be, and whatever portion thou mayest be reciting from the Qur'an,- and whatever deed ye (mankind) may be doing,- We are witnesses thereof when ye are deeply engrossed therein. Nor is hidden from thy Lord (so much as) the weight of an atom on the earth or in heaven. And not the least(fundamental particles) and not the greatest of these things but are recorded in a clear record.
34/3:
Qarib: The unbelievers say: 'The Hour will never come to us. ' Say: 'By my Lord, yes, it is surely coming to you! By Him who knows the Unseen, not even the weight of an atom in heavens and earth escapes Him; neither is there anything smaller than that, (fundamental particles) nor greater except that it is in a Clear Book,
Sarwar: The disbelievers have said, "There will be no Hour of Doom." Say, "By my Lord, it certainly will come. My Lord knows the unseen. Not even an atom's weight in the heavens or the earth remains hidden from Him. Nothing exists greater or smaller than(fundamental particles) this without its record in the illustrious Book.
Shakir: And those who disbelieve say: The hour shall not come upon us. Say: Yea! by my Lord, the Knower of the unseen, it shall certainly come upon you; not the weight of an atom becomes absent from Him, in the heavens or in the earth, and neither less than(fundamental particles) that nor greater, but (all) is in a clear book
Pickthall: Those who disbelieve say: The Hour will never come unto us. Say: Nay, by my Lord, but it is coming unto you surely. (He is) the Knower of the Unseen. Not an atom's weight, or less than(fundamental particles) that or greater, escapeth Him in the heavens or in the earth, but it is in a clear Record,
Yusufali: The Unbelievers say, "Never to us will come the Hour": Say, "Nay! but most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you;- by Him Who knows the unseen,- from Whom is not hidden the least little atom in the heavens or on earth: Nor is there anything less than that, (fundamental particles) or greater, but is in the Record Perspicuous:

Why are you posting the above nonsense all over again! We are not asking you what you think an "INTERPRETATION" should be! We are not asking you what your I'jaz believers claim as their “Translations” .

What Lothian asked you, and what I asked you was to QUOTE ONLY the ACTUAL WORDS WRITTEN IN THE EARLIEST COPIES OF THE KORAN ...

We are not interested in your religious INVENTIONS ... Just Quote The Actual Sentence from an INDEPENDENTLY TRANSLATED early copy of the Koran!

I mean Jesus Christ, when are you ever going to be honest in your replies here????

I bet that the words “Particle” and “Atom”, which you have quoted numerous times above, do NOT actually appear in any original copies of the Koran … because those are not words from ancient Arabic … the words originally in the Koran would have been different from ”particle” or “atom” … so what were the real original Arabic words in those sentences?

But, the idea of any smallest possible indivisible things (what you are now calling subatomic “particles” … but where I bet that word or concept is NOT in any original copy of the Koran), goes back to various Greek philosophers around 400BC !! … that's fully a whopping 1000 years before anyone wrote any Koran! So – that concept of the smallest indivisible things, had been known for 1000 years before Mohamed was even born!

However, the word used was AFAIK “Atomos” … and what that word meant when translated from the ancient Greek language is literally “uncuttables” .. That is – they thought that things (anything, eg a piece of wood or a lump of stone etc.) reached a point where you could not take an implement such as a knife to cut it any smaller than that final stage where it was so small that it had become “Atomos” ie “uncuttable”. You can read in considerable detail about all of that history and about what the words originally meant and what they believed about "atomos" at that time, here (the link below) -

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atomism-ancient/

But the whole point was that “Atomos” could not be cut any smaller into smaller “subatomic Particles”, that was not any part of their theory (ie their believed explanation/theory of how much any object could be cut). However, if you read the above link then you can see that even that theory of early Greek philosophers was not really as close to what has now been discovered for atoms and subatomic particle/fields as many people might superficially think. The similarity is only that the early Greeks realised that large every-day objects can be cut into smaller and smaller pieces … until they get to the uncuttable stage of being “Atomos” …

… all of that was known and widely believed 1000 years before any Koran. And AFAIK, what is mentioned in the Koran, is only ever a repeat of that Greek “Atomos” theory, and in fact AFAIK, in the Koran it's only mentioned very briefly as a way of saying that God sees and knows even the smallest things that ever happen … ie it's a warning to people that whatever they do they cannot escape the eyes of God. It's not describing any modern scientific concept of “Subatomic Structure” at all. And you can read some commentary on those I'jaz Koran beliefs of yours here (link below) -

https://www.answering-islam.org/authors/katz/quran/science/subatomic.html


And for about the 15th time now - you are now weeks overdue for answering even the very simplest questions where the answers will show that your religious beliefs are completely wrong and nothing more than untrue childish ancient superstitions! Where are your answers to what you have ACTUALLY been asked???

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Your reply was given in message 1919. Verses mentioned in the Qur'an to kill infidels. It is related to the infidel war against Muslims in the time of Muhammad. And it has historical roots. It has no application in our time. He does not tell us to kill the infidel. And the reason for this command of God was that: The infidels brutally tortured and killed the Muslims. And all the wars were started by infidels. So God ordered the killing of these savages. Islam never starts a war. We defend ourselves only after the aggression of the enemies. I hope you understand. As I said, we have friendly and direct relations with the infidel countries of China and the Soviet Union in all fields. Do we kill them? of course not. I hope you got your answer. And do not ask again. My friend's 8-year-old daughter also understands this very easily.

This is gibberish. Why on earth would there be commandments from god that only apply to a specific time period without it saying so? Is the Quran not meant to be eternal? Are the commandments of god subject to change on a whim? If so, where did god say that his mind had changed?

Please point to anything that supports your contention, otherwise you're just claiming that you are right without anything backing you up. Again.

Please, please do not repeat your useless question again because of the atmosphere created for my Quranic messages.

This is gibberish. The question is not useless, I am trying to get you to defend the atrocity of a book that is the Quran. The Quran is a hateful book filled with violence and bigotry.

Tell me, what about the passages that condemn the jews as being evil?

Repeating this question is rooted in your enmity with God. Stop this action. I wish you health.

I have no enmity with god. He doesn't exist. I don't hate things that don't exist.

 

[turingtest]

It is the height of specious religious reasoning to say that, because certain words that today have a specified meaning or depth in science are used in some old holy text, that means that there is science in that holy text. And it's especially specious when it's followed by the declaration that of course there are no details about the science in the text since it's not meant to be a science text. The science is in the details- fleshing out reality beyond merely calling things by a name is what makes it science. For example- I can imagine a fundie Christian claiming that there is science in the Bible because the word "blood" is used, and pretending that that simple use covers all that we know about it today that wasn't known in detail then, e.g., cells, circulation, oxygenation, etc.

 

[IanS]

It is the height of specious religious reasoning to say that, because certain words that today have a specified meaning or depth in science are used in some old holy text, that means that there is science in that holy text. And it's especially specious when it's followed by the declaration that of course there are no details about the science in the text since it's not meant to be a science text. The science is in the details- fleshing out reality beyond merely calling things by a name is what makes it science. For example- I can imagine a fundie Christian claiming that there is science in the Bible because the word "blood" is used, and pretending that that simple use covers all that we know about it today that wasn't known in detail then, e.g., cells, circulation, oxygenation, etc.

Indeed. And if I can just add a few words of my own to that -

- modern science could have decided to discard the ancient Greek word "atomos", on the basis that it was not originally describing the same understanding that we have today for what "atoms" are. But of course from the time of Dalton (1803) onwards to Thompson and Rutherford (1897 … 1909) and then to Schroedinger and the rest with QM in the 1920's-30's, probably none of them ever thought it was necessary to create a new word instead of "atomos", because nobody then thought that various so-called "scholars" of Islam would convince millions of Muslims like Heydarain to believe that in 600AD God told a man named Mohamed about subatomic structure ...

... though even now, despite heydarians beliefs and the beliefs of the I'jaz authors (the authors of "Miracles in the Koran"), real scientists working in nuclear physics, if they are even aware of these I'jaz beliefs, probably do not in any case regard such beliefs & claims as anything other than just another in the long list of silly irrelevent religious ideas about miracles.

Anyway – the whole point is that heydarian is completely wrong (as are the I'jaz writers who he is copying) to believe that in 600AD God had already told Mohammed about what we have now as the modern scientific description of subatomic particles/forces composing atoms. That is certainly NOT in the Koran

 

[Scorpion]

Heydarian I see you have added the words 'fundamental particles' in brackets to various translations of the Quran surah 34.3.in post 1978. Here are those translations and those words are not in them, neither in brackets or otherwise.

34.3 Pickthall
Those who disbelieve say: The Hour will never come unto us. Say: Nay, by my Lord, but it is coming unto you surely. (He is) the Knower of the Unseen. Not an atom's weight, or less than that or greater, escapeth Him in the heavens or in the earth, but it is in a clear Record,

34.3 Shakir
And those who disbelieve say: The hour shall not come upon us. Say: Yea! by my Lord, the Knower of the unseen, it shall certainly come upon you; not the weight of an atom becomes absent from Him, in the heavens or in the earth, and neither less than that nor greater, but (all) is in a clear book

34.3 Sherali
And those who disbelieve say, `The Hour will never come upon us.' Say, `Yea, by my Lord who knows the unseen, it will, surely, come upon you. Not an atom's weight in the heavens or in the earth or anything less than that or greater escapes HIM , but all is recorded in a perspicuous Book,

34.3 Yusuf Ali
The Unbelievers say, "Never to us will come the Hour": Say, "Nay! but most surely, by my Lord, it will come upon you;- by Him Who knows the unseen,- from Whom is not hidden the least little atom in the heavens or on earth: Nor is there anything less than that, or greater, but is in the Record Perspicuous:

 

[Scorpion]

Heydarian, it seems to me you are trying to change the meaning of the Quran to suit your own agenda. One way you are doing this is adding words in brackets that are not in the Quran. You are also saying that much of the Quran does not apply to the present world, but it only applies to the time of Muhammad.

I want to warn you not to publish your article in Iran, or at least not under your own name. As fundamentalist's and Islamic fanatics take a dim view of such things.

There is the case of Rashad Khalifa who published his own translation of the Quran and tried to update it. He also conceived of the number 19 miracle theory in the Quran.

The result was he was killed for blasphemy by Muslim extremists. I should bear that in mind before publishing your work.

 

[heydarian saeed]

The quran is pure plagiarism from the bible and other sources, and Muhammad even, shamelessly took words out of Jesus mouth, and used them out of context. The prime example is the phrase " camel pass through a needles eye" which was stolen from the parable of the rich man. See the references.


Quran 7.40 To those who reject Our signs and treat them with arrogance, no opening will there be of the gates of heaven, nor will they enter the garden, until the camel can pass through the eye of the needle: Such is Our reward for those in sin.

Bible
M't:19:24: And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
M'r:10:25: It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Lu:18:25: For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

The lies of some fanatics about Muhammad Dear, the intellectual prophet of Islam, made me write to you after waiting for a while.
The noble and unique personality of Muhammad PBUH is not hidden from anyone. In his time, Muslims and infidels have called him goodness, honesty and trustworthiness. He was a shepherd as a child. And in her youth, her fame of honesty and trustworthiness reached the ears of Khadijah, who was one of the noble businesswomen of Saudi Arabia. Khadijeh appointed Mohammad as the head of her trade caravan. And after years, Khadijeh proposed to him for Muhammad. And married Muhammad. And he was the first to believe in the prophethood of Muhammad. And he spent all his wealth in the way of Islam and Muhammad. But for you and others in this group, this is a quote from the English intellectual and scholarly author Karen Armstrong, an English researcher. I chose and I will write to you.
This noble lady has written a book called "Muhammad: Biography of the Prophet of Islam" for 7 years of research and study on the character of Muhammad P.
The lies of some fanatics about Muhammad Dear, the intellectual prophet of Islam, made me write to you after waiting for a while.
The noble and unique personality of Muhammad PBUH is not hidden from anyone. In his time, Muslims and infidels have called him goodness, honesty and trustworthiness. He was a shepherd as a child. And in her youth, her fame of honesty and trustworthiness reached the ears of Khadijah, who was one of the noble businesswomen of Saudi Arabia. Khadijeh appointed Mohammad as the head of her trade caravan. And after years, Khadijeh proposed to him for Muhammad. And married Muhammad. And he was the first to believe in the prophethood of Muhammad. And he spent all his wealth in the way of Islam and Muhammad. But for you and others in this group, this is a quote from the English intellectual and scholarly author Karen Armstrong, an English researcher. I chose and I will write to you.
This noble lady has written a book called "Muhammad: Biography of the Prophet of Islam" for 7 years of research and study on the character of Muhammad P.
The lies of some fanatics about Muhammad Dear, the intellectual prophet of Islam, made me write to you after waiting for a while.
The noble and unique personality of Muhammad PBUH is not hidden from anyone. In his time, Muslims and infidels have called him goodness, honesty and trustworthiness. He was a shepherd as a child. And in her youth, her fame of honesty and trustworthiness reached the ears of Khadijah, who was one of the noble businesswomen of Saudi Arabia. Khadijeh appointed Mohammad as the head of her trade caravan. And after years, Khadijeh proposed to him for Muhammad. And married Muhammad. And he was the first to believe in the prophethood of Muhammad. And he spent all his wealth in the way of Islam and Muhammad. But for you and others in this group, this is a quote from the English intellectual and scholarly author Karen Armstrong, an English researcher. I chose and I will write to you.
This noble lady has written a book called "Muhammad: Biography of the Prophet of Islam" for 7 years of research and study on the character of Muhammad P.
The author considers that the purpose of writing this book is to present a correct and different image of Islam and Muhammad ibn Abdullah to the people of the West. Armstrong believes that the character of Muhammad bin Abdullah is very different from the image presented by Salman Rushdie. He also believes that Westerners see the events of September 11, 2001, as evidence of Islam's bias. And a sign that Islam is a religion of terror, murder and terror. He rejects this notion. And denies.
Armstrong believes that: Muhammad bin Abdullah was a man of jihad. He was also a real pacifist. To prove this claim, the author cites historical examples. He emphasizes:
Muhammad ibn Abdullah during the peace with the infidels of Mecca; John pledged the faith and obedience of his closest allies. Until this union is achieved without bloodshed. As the same meaning can be well understood from Sura 48. Most of the verses of Surah 48 of the Qur'an are about Muhammad's peace with the infidels of Mecca.
Armstrong believes that Muhammad ibn Abdullah, based on the basic principles of Islam, was constantly thinking of negotiation and peace. Because the word "Islam" means submission to God. From the root "hello means peace".
Karen Armstrong is the author of "Muhammad (PBUH), the Biography of the Prophet of Islam", one of the most prominent religious scholars in the world and in English. She has spent seven years of her life as a Catholic nun. He is the author of the best-selling books The History of Godliness, Islam: A Short History, and The Book of the Buddha.
His main motivation in writing this book is to defend Islam and enlighten the minds of Western Christians about the luminous face of the Prophet of Islam. After the publication of Salman Rushdie's book "Satanic Verses", it was hardly confused in the West. In 1999, Armstrong was awarded the Media Prize of the Muslim Public Affairs Council. The book became the best-selling book of the year in the United States a month after 9/11.
"I wrote this book because I actually regret that the image of Muhammad (pbuh) to the people of the West is just the image that Salman Rushdie's book presents with lies and fantasies," the author says in part in the introduction to the book. "If I had understood what his purpose in this story was, it would still be very important for me to tell the truth about the true face of Muhammad (PBUH). Because I had found Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam, one of the rarest in human history ..."
The author emphasizes that: Now we need the true story of the life of Muhammad (PBUH) at this dangerous time. And we should not allow the stubborn fanatics to use it to their advantage by distorting the life of the Prophet. In addition, there are many issues that we can learn from the life of Muhammad (PBUH). How to behave in this completely changing world.
The book "Muhammad (PBUH), Biography of the Prophet of Islam" written by Karen Armstrong is organized in 10 chapters. Its titles include: "Muhammad, the Enemy", "Muhammad, the Divine Man", "Ignorance", "Revelation", "Evangelist", "Critique of Satanic Verses", "Emigration: The New Way", "Holy War", " "Holy Peace" and "Death of the Prophet".
At the end of this biography, I quote the theory of Canadian researcher Wilfred Cantwell Smith. His writings have always been my inspiration. He wrote in 1956: "The West and the Islamic world should not simply ignore the events of the twentieth century. Muslims must accept that the scientific and technological advances of the West are an undeniable fact that as a result of their efforts. And Westerners need to understand that they cannot survive in a classified world.
And they must accept equality. Until Western civilization and the principles of Christianity come to the conclusion that they must treat others in accordance with the principles of their beliefs. The two (the West and Islam) will not reach a common conclusion on the truths of the twentieth century. If the West wants to do better in the 21st century, it must: Understand the other Muslims it shares with on the planet. They need to know their ideas, feelings and ways of life better. And be in harmony with them. The best way to get to know this is to get acquainted with the life of the Prophet of Islam. That his extraordinary genius and intellect can illuminate these dark days. "
Discard Salman Rushdie's book, which is your main source. Change Man. You are unlikely to lie. I'm sorry.

 

[IanS]

The lies of some fanatics about Muhammad Dear, the intellectual prophet of Islam, made me write to you after waiting for a while.
The noble and unique personality of Muhammad PBUH is not hidden from anyone. In his time, Muslims and infidels have called him goodness, honesty and trustworthiness. He was a shepherd as a child. And in her youth, her fame of honesty and trustworthiness reached the ears of Khadijah, who was one of the noble businesswomen of Saudi Arabia. Khadijeh appointed Mohammad as the head of her trade caravan. And after years, Khadijeh proposed to him for Muhammad. And married Muhammad. And he was the first to believe in the prophethood of Muhammad. And he spent all his wealth in the way of Islam and Muhammad. But for you and others in this group, this is a quote from the English intellectual and scholarly author Karen Armstrong, an English researcher. I chose and I will write to you.
This noble lady has written a book called "Muhammad: Biography of the Prophet of Islam" for 7 years of research and study on the character of Muhammad P.
The lies of some fanatics about Muhammad Dear, the intellectual prophet of Islam, made me write to you after waiting for a while.
The noble and unique personality of Muhammad PBUH is not hidden from anyone. In his time, Muslims and infidels have called him goodness, honesty and trustworthiness. He was a shepherd as a child. And in her youth, her fame of honesty and trustworthiness reached the ears of Khadijah, who was one of the noble businesswomen of Saudi Arabia. Khadijeh appointed Mohammad as the head of her trade caravan. And after years, Khadijeh proposed to him for Muhammad. And married Muhammad. And he was the first to believe in the prophethood of Muhammad. And he spent all his wealth in the way of Islam and Muhammad. But for you and others in this group, this is a quote from the English intellectual and scholarly author Karen Armstrong, an English researcher. I chose and I will write to you.
This noble lady has written a book called "Muhammad: Biography of the Prophet of Islam" for 7 years of research and study on the character of Muhammad P.
The lies of some fanatics about Muhammad Dear, the intellectual prophet of Islam, made me write to you after waiting for a while.
The noble and unique personality of Muhammad PBUH is not hidden from anyone. In his time, Muslims and infidels have called him goodness, honesty and trustworthiness. He was a shepherd as a child. And in her youth, her fame of honesty and trustworthiness reached the ears of Khadijah, who was one of the noble businesswomen of Saudi Arabia. Khadijeh appointed Mohammad as the head of her trade caravan. And after years, Khadijeh proposed to him for Muhammad. And married Muhammad. And he was the first to believe in the prophethood of Muhammad. And he spent all his wealth in the way of Islam and Muhammad. But for you and others in this group, this is a quote from the English intellectual and scholarly author Karen Armstrong, an English researcher. I chose and I will write to you.
This noble lady has written a book called "Muhammad: Biography of the Prophet of Islam" for 7 years of research and study on the character of Muhammad P.
The author considers that the purpose of writing this book is to present a correct and different image of Islam and Muhammad ibn Abdullah to the people of the West. Armstrong believes that the character of Muhammad bin Abdullah is very different from the image presented by Salman Rushdie. He also believes that Westerners see the events of September 11, 2001, as evidence of Islam's bias. And a sign that Islam is a religion of terror, murder and terror. He rejects this notion. And denies.
Armstrong believes that: Muhammad bin Abdullah was a man of jihad. He was also a real pacifist. To prove this claim, the author cites historical examples. He emphasizes:
Muhammad ibn Abdullah during the peace with the infidels of Mecca; John pledged the faith and obedience of his closest allies. Until this union is achieved without bloodshed. As the same meaning can be well understood from Sura 48. Most of the verses of Surah 48 of the Qur'an are about Muhammad's peace with the infidels of Mecca.
Armstrong believes that Muhammad ibn Abdullah, based on the basic principles of Islam, was constantly thinking of negotiation and peace. Because the word "Islam" means submission to God. From the root "hello means peace".
Karen Armstrong is the author of "Muhammad (PBUH), the Biography of the Prophet of Islam", one of the most prominent religious scholars in the world and in English. She has spent seven years of her life as a Catholic nun. He is the author of the best-selling books The History of Godliness, Islam: A Short History, and The Book of the Buddha.
His main motivation in writing this book is to defend Islam and enlighten the minds of Western Christians about the luminous face of the Prophet of Islam. After the publication of Salman Rushdie's book "Satanic Verses", it was hardly confused in the West. In 1999, Armstrong was awarded the Media Prize of the Muslim Public Affairs Council. The book became the best-selling book of the year in the United States a month after 9/11.
"I wrote this book because I actually regret that the image of Muhammad (pbuh) to the people of the West is just the image that Salman Rushdie's book presents with lies and fantasies," the author says in part in the introduction to the book. "If I had understood what his purpose in this story was, it would still be very important for me to tell the truth about the true face of Muhammad (PBUH). Because I had found Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam, one of the rarest in human history ..."
The author emphasizes that: Now we need the true story of the life of Muhammad (PBUH) at this dangerous time. And we should not allow the stubborn fanatics to use it to their advantage by distorting the life of the Prophet. In addition, there are many issues that we can learn from the life of Muhammad (PBUH). How to behave in this completely changing world.
The book "Muhammad (PBUH), Biography of the Prophet of Islam" written by Karen Armstrong is organized in 10 chapters. Its titles include: "Muhammad, the Enemy", "Muhammad, the Divine Man", "Ignorance", "Revelation", "Evangelist", "Critique of Satanic Verses", "Emigration: The New Way", "Holy War", " "Holy Peace" and "Death of the Prophet".
At the end of this biography, I quote the theory of Canadian researcher Wilfred Cantwell Smith. His writings have always been my inspiration. He wrote in 1956: "The West and the Islamic world should not simply ignore the events of the twentieth century. Muslims must accept that the scientific and technological advances of the West are an undeniable fact that as a result of their efforts. And Westerners need to understand that they cannot survive in a classified world.
And they must accept equality. Until Western civilization and the principles of Christianity come to the conclusion that they must treat others in accordance with the principles of their beliefs. The two (the West and Islam) will not reach a common conclusion on the truths of the twentieth century. If the West wants to do better in the 21st century, it must: Understand the other Muslims it shares with on the planet. They need to know their ideas, feelings and ways of life better. And be in harmony with them. The best way to get to know this is to get acquainted with the life of the Prophet of Islam. That his extraordinary genius and intellect can illuminate these dark days. "
Discard Salman Rushdie's book, which is your main source. Change Man. You are unlikely to lie. I'm sorry.

You are just preaching religion to us. You have nothing else here except constantly preaching religious faith beliefs. Beliefs of the miraculous and the supernatural, none of which are supported in any way at all by any part of properly independent genuine scientific research. You are preaching your belief in infantile ancient fairy tales.

 

[JoeMorgue]

And outside of branding how is religious supernatural arguments any different or better than philosophical supernatural arguments?

Why is "God did because magic book say so" laughable but "Maybe we're just brains in jars because some old dead white guy said it Latin and name dropped Plato when he did it" not?

 

[Chanakya]

And outside of branding how is religious supernatural arguments any different or better than philosophical supernatural arguments?

Why is "God did because magic book say so" laughable but "Maybe we're just brains in jars because some old dead white guy said it Latin and name dropped Plato when he did it" not?

I agree, the latter's no different than wanking off. But even wanking off takes some effort and calls for a degree of technique; and arguably it has its uses, even if those uses might be limited; and no, you don't go blind doing it; while religious nonsense of the kind we see here does not require, or yield, even that much, and does often end up causing real damage.

 

[Myriad]

And outside of branding how is religious supernatural arguments any different or better than philosophical supernatural arguments?

Why is "God did because magic book say so" laughable but "Maybe we're just brains in jars because some old dead white guy said it Latin and name dropped Plato when he did it" not?

• "Maybe we're just brains in jars" is an assumed-for-the-sake-of-argument premise for examining details of the process by which we construct our mental and linguistic models of reality. No one is claiming that "we're just brains in jars" is some incontrovertible revealed truth.

• I've never heard a homily, sermon, scripture reading, prayer, psalm, chant, antiphon, canticle, or psalm praising the jar.

• To my knowledge, no wars have been fought over whether it's a jar, can, or bottle.

• Which philosopher has argued that after you die, if you believe in the jar, you'll be reborn in a clean new jar, but if you don't, you'll end up in the bin instead?

 

[sackett]

I like the explanation some Muslims give for the baggy seats of their pants: A tradition says that the next prophet will be born to a man, and it may happen unexpectedly.

Thus the popularity of buggering in many (suspiciously many?) Muslim countries is justified. A bit snickeringly, but hey, who says Mohammed had no sense of humor?

 

[heydarian saeed]

Although Heydarian is talking about the Quran, he is not proselytizing Islam in any form that any major Muslim organization would recognize as anything other than extreme heresy. The angels in the Quran are not sentient beings but actually represent the four fundamental forces in present-day physics models? The laws dictated by the Prophet apply only to the era when the Quran was written? Mobeen refers not to a characteristic of the Quran itself, but some other divine data repository comparable to the Book of Life in Christianity, which is also the same thing as DNA? This is more like a new Quranic twist on 18th century deism than any present-day variety of Islam.

So, on the one hand, it doesn't seem fair to take Heydarian to task for Islamic hellfire dogma held by people who would undoubtedly consign Heydarian himself to that same hellfire as a heretic. On the other hand, it is difficult to take highly abstracted interpretations of hidden meanings of Quranic verses seriously while disregarding their clear overt meanings at the same time.

Hello to you
Our guess is that you consider Heydarian a heretic in Islam and the Qur'an. Of course not. So far, you have read the Qur'an along with the superstitions of some illiterate people or deviant enemies. If the Qur'an is all realism and science. Until recently, I myself was almost like you. But I saw the light of Quranic knowledge. I met your group. Because of the many problems you raise. He encouraged me more to see where the knowledge of the Qur'an really is. In what verses is it? And what does it mean?
I found this in similar verses. This is stated in verse 7 of Sura 3. There are verses that have different meanings. And it can be understood and made meaningful at any time according to the science of the day. For example, in the twentieth century, these verses tell up-to-date scientific material. I have given you several examples of it. I am currently researching Fundamental
particles and quantum science in these verses. And I will write to you over time. Please look at these Qur'anic discussions freely. And do not look at the Qur'an in the form of prejudiced thoughts. This is not an ancient book. Revealed in the seventh century. But it has up-to-date scientific talk at all times.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Quantum dependence or quantum entanglement in the Qur'an:
Particle entanglement, called quantum entanglement, has been established in physics and its reality has been proven. And Professor Suarez's experiment is in this connection. Quantum mechanics has its own world. In other words, it is related to or rooted in the transcendental material world. Now, in my opinion, photons originated from oneness.
In two verses of the Qur'an, he says: The creation of the heavens and the earth has taken place without any previous plan. (2/117 - 6/101) And before the opening of the heavens and the earth, that is, the expansion of the universe, only photons and electrons and positrons and their opposites existed. (Planck time)
And these particles were all intertwined and formed following mesons and muons. The only basic particles left with an independent identity were photons. Because they did not have a separate and independent antimatter. The photon particle is absolutely amazing and an exception in the material world. Because the antithesis is integrated in itself. It used to be said that the Higgs boson particle is the particle of God. In fact, the photon particle is the "God particle".
Other elementary particles were absorbed by the atoms. They were intertwined there. Contrary to the famous physicist Professor Bell, who says that photons were not intertwined at the time of the Big Bang. And this entanglement was imposed on them. Before photons were entangled, they did not exist to be imposed on them.
The Qur'an rejects this theory. According to the Qur'an, there was no universe and God created it from nothing. The universe was created by God. Creation without previous design and in a new and new way. This is how the heavens and the earth were created. That is, something new that has no precedent. The will of the essence of transcendence was placed on it to create the universe. And was manifested by the light of God.
It started from the oneness of the universe. How is the light of God light? Light is super light. Our energy is super energy. It is the same pure energy in physics. Science also says that the universe began with oneness or singularity. And from a very compact point where matter did not yet exist. At a point the size of 10 to the power of minus 31 meters. Which is inconceivable for science. In oneness, only the light of God reigned. And from the light of God, photons and electrons and positrons and their opposites were created.
The four basic laws of physics had not yet been created. And they and the elementary particles were intertwined. The entanglement started from there. And we are no longer entangled in the material world.
In exceptional cases, such as the Soares test, we can achieve this on a case-by-case basis. Physics says matter is buried in black holes. In other words, they are swallowed. But so far there is no evidence. In the universe, after the appearance of matter, matter has been created in the universe. For example, matter can be created from inside black holes. So entanglement no longer occurs.
And once during the creation of the universe and before the six days of its creation and before the opening and in the new creation of the heavens and the earth, this entanglement was done by the light of the essence of transcendence which was light above light or pure energy. God uses this light to communicate with all material manifestations in galaxies and the solar system, and in the land of mountains, inanimate objects, plants, animals, and humans in the material world.
This entanglement probably includes electrons, positrons, and other elementary particles. Photons act consciously. And the principle of randomness does not govern them. This particular behavior was institutionalized in the existence of photons at the beginning of the creation of the universe. And they act without being influenced by external factors and according to the order hidden in their nature.
And this has been clearly shown in numerous scientific experiments. And science finds this behavior strange and incomprehensible.
...

 

[heydarian saeed]

... Photons are rooted in the light of God. In other words, photons can be the interface between the material world and the unseen world. And God Almighty has placed this ability in their particles. So with these descriptions, photons have invisible consciousness. In previous messages, I told you that: Professor Suarez's experiments have proved this.
And accordingly, rocks, mountains, plants, animals, humans are all conscious. The fact that God Almighty says: "All material manifestations are prostrating and glorifying the essence of the Supreme Being" indicates the existence of invisible consciousness. In them we can not understand. "We do not understand their glorification." This is stated in 5 verses of the Qur'an.
Verse 44 Sura 17 - Verse 48 to 50 Sura 16 - Verse 18 Sura 22
In fact, these 5 verses express quantum dependence or quantum entanglement in the Qur'an.
The human material structure is not designed to perceive electromagnetic light with a specific frequency.
But human consciousness is excellent. Which God has given him. Which is institutionalized by the soul in man. Now it becomes clear to us how everything in the heavens and the earth is. They perform glorification and prostration from every object. Because everyone has the wisdom of God. And God Almighty exchanges information with all material beings through these photons. And records the information of all material manifestations in a special book. (Clean)

 

[heydarian saeed]

You are just preaching religion to us. You have nothing else here except constantly preaching religious faith beliefs. Beliefs of the miraculous and the supernatural, none of which are supported in any way at all by any part of properly independent genuine scientific research. You are preaching your belief in infantile ancient fairy tales.

Hi. You did not notice that I said: there is no supernatural. I read the Quran more carefully. And I saw that there is no verse for the supernatural! We have only one world. The material world. The universe is made of matter. That's all we have. There are several types in this material world. They are like Einstein
bubbles. Or parallel. Resurrection and the Hereafter are also material. Terms such as angels, soul, jinn, devil, etc. are all material. We have nothing in the universe except matter. The unseen is not a world or a universe. Only God knows the unseen. There is. But it does not have any material designations. Nobody knows what? Anyone who talks about the unseen is lying. Only God knows the unseen. We have no information about it. These are the words of the Qur'an. I told you the objective evidence in Professor Suarez's experiments for invisible consciousness as well as the quantum correlation between everything in the universe. Please read previous and next messages. I have said the verses and chapters mentioned in this discussion.

Following the above talk:
this is Islam And the Quran. Everything else you saw or heard is a lie.
No one can recite the Qur'an. The Qur'an has said many times that if anyone can recite 10 surahs like me, he should bring them. you can not. 10 verses if you can bring. you can not. He even says that all human beings and scientists and everything you know can come together, you can not bring a verse like the Qur'an. This is the claim of the Qur'an itself. And it is true. How a scorpion lies that: Muhammad made the Qur'an himself! Or stolen from the Bible! Again, be careful: Muhammad was illiterate. How can an illiterate person do this important work? The lies and nonsense About God, Muhammad and the Qur'an of the scorpion and the like are shameful. We hate extremism. We do not accept extremist Muslims in a safe society. And we reject them.
We do not accept extremist Muslims in a safe society. And we reject them. We strongly condemn acts of extremism such as 9/11. We ask you, dear thinkers and scientists, and the good and understanding people of the West, to separate Islam and the Qur'an from the extremism of some ignorant and extremist Muslims. These are not from us. We hate extremism. The intention of the extremists is to destroy Islam and the Qur'an.
thank you