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Cont: The Sinking of MS Estonia: Case Re-opened Part III

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Vixen said:
The bow visor was not recovered until almost three weeks later. We obviously knew where the wreck was for there to have been a sonar image in the first place.

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Is this intended to answer the question of why you asked about why it took two weeks to locate the wreck?
 
JayUtah said:
Could the people hired by the ship's builders possibly have an ulterior motive in making it seem like the official investigation was flawed?
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Why yes, I think you might be onto something there!

(Even a child could figure out how/why the shipyard which designed and built the Estonia might have a strong motive to propose* a cause of the disaster which contradicted the official version of it being caused by a badly-designed, badly-constructed and badly-maintained bow visor and bow ramp......)


* And that the outside people hired by the shipyard to assist with its "investigations" might understand - either implicitly or explicitly - that their job was a) to help their paymaster (ie the shipyard) find this alternative cause, and b) not to confirm the official cause.
 
Vixen said:
Bildt cannot have known the bow visor fell off on Day One, as none of the survivors reported this (the only survivor interviewed on the day ...
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Same old claim, unimproved by repetition. You cannot ignore everything survivors said to their rescuers just because it wasn't a formal interview. You cannot show that Bildt was not told that survivors were reporting the bow door was missing. "Bildt cannot have known" is just a lie.
 
Vixen said:
A marine expert believing it might be sabotage?


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Oh great, you're down to a near-total reliance on this newspaper and its speculative reporting now, are you?

(Maybe try primary sources and properly-tested claims, rather than secondary and tertiary sources plus untested speculative claims, eh?)
 
Vixen said:
Whatevs. When the only time you can do a 'gotcha' is over a typo, then do have at it.
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1. It's not a typo, you used the completely wrong word. You're clearly attempting to come across as much more erudite than you actually are.

2. That's not the only time you've been corrected. See...the rest of this thread for all your other nonsense claims.
 
Vixen said:
Whatevs. When the only time you can do a 'gotcha' is over a typo, then do have at it.
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You think that this is the "only time" you've been provably caught out being ignorant and wrong in this thread?

Hehehehehehehehe :D
 
Vixen said:
The bow visor was not recovered until almost three weeks later. We obviously knew where the wreck was for there to have been a sonar image in the first place.

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If it didn't fall off how was it so far away?
 
I completely believe 'a fifth of all Swedes knew someone who died in the disaster'. For example, it included a group of young mothers from one village, a group of engineers from one firm, seventy police officers from Stockholm. It is very easy to see that the degrees of freedom will intertwine with each other.
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If everyone in Sweden if so familiar with people in their towns or communities or workplaces, then more Swedes would know people who died on the Estonia if they weren't bunched in groups from the same companies, police forces or villages.

Think about it (as you love to say!), if 10 mothers from a village where nearly everyone know each other died, that wouldn't mean that significantly more people knew someone who died on the Estonia than if 1 mother from a village where nearly everyone knew each other died. Those people's friends, relatives and work colleagues are going to overlap so much that groupings of victims like this will mean that less Swedes knew someone who who died in the disaster, not that "degrees of freedom" will mean that more Swedes knew someone.

I don't care how awesome Nordic peoples are in your eyes, no-way everyone who died on the Estonia had over 3,000 people who considered them friends, relatives or colleagues, unless you're really stretching the meaning of friend, relative or colleague.
 
Vixen said:
From the mouth of JAIC itself, as reported 5.10.1994

HS


Let's stick to the recorded facts, please, and not your ill-considered 'opinion' and 'alternative suggestion'.
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Then they were found and tested. They were in working order but hadn't been activated.
 
Vixen said:
Bildt cannot have known the bow visor fell off on Day One, as none of the survivors reported this (the only survivor interviewed on the day of his announcement was Sillaste and all he said is what he saw on the engine control room monitor. The wreck was not located until two days later, a sonar image taken six days later. I believe the Swedish navy sent down a couple of divers on day 2, although I don't think they filmed anything. The bow visor was not found until 17/18 October 1994.
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At least three survivors reported the visor was gone, one of them was the crewman who reported water flooding in past the bow ramp.
 
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