The supernatural

[heydarian saeed]

... Examining the various opinions of scientists and philosophers, we come to the conclusion that: energy is the essence and principle. And is superior to matter. Energy is independent of matter. And both energy and matter are independent. And become each other. And they are intertwined with each other with great speed. And not easily recognizable. Unless we see this super-species garlic with proper and advanced tools.
But the appearance and form of matter and energy are simpler than one substance. And none of them can make themselves. pay attention. The causal relationship is acceptable to all of us. And the universe is moving towards the ultimate goal based on this relationship. But the cause or the complete cause is outside of matter and energy. Which has a A different nature and a metaphysical approach...

 

[heydarian saeed]

... This is not the end of the story. And more in-depth research should be done. But I told you briefly. This speech requires a high level of understanding. I have not spoken in any group or association yet. And I just told you. I hope you think about this well.

 

[heydarian saeed]

When you close your eyes, everything disappears. Does this mean it's not there? Me.

Ghod, I love this game.

Hi. Well done. What a good game. I also love this game. I congratulate. let's play together. Not a compound game. A healthy game. I watch you run away. Until I find you. Good. I have good skills in this game. Wherever you are, I will find you. Because I see the path with my eyes closed. And people who are scared and runaway. What are you running away from? From within you who says: I am not alone. Wow. What do you mean you are not alone? do you want to try? So let's play.

 

[heydarian saeed]

1562 ... Let me be honest: if I say this in the Muslim Association. They will accuse me of blasphemy. And I am called an infidel. And if I tell you for your forum. As I said now. You will say he is crazy. Or has no knowledge. He thinks idealistically and unrealistically. And you make fun of me. While this is not the case. I told you the truth. And all my content is based on realism. And is woven with modern science.
We humans compare and understand everything with our physical appearance. And we do not think that there can ever be other realities in the universe other than matter and body. And we wrap this thinking around ourselves like a spider web. And we can not get rid of it. And this is not a good approach.
I hope one of you thinks well and understands me.

 

[Lothian]

Hello. I'm sorry. You do not want to accept the truth. You are free to choose. My content is perfect to prove the existence of God.

The truth is there are no God's. It is what the uneducated use to explain things they don't understand.

You have totally failed to prove your God exists. Repeating a lie time and time again does not make it true. It makes you a liar.

Your witterings have been ripped apart and rejected here. You refuse to accept that. No doubt the next place you go will also see the infantile mistakes in your logic. At some point you will realise you have wasted your time on this paper and that you will have turned people off Islam, but this is a lesson you will need to learn yourself.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Why should we have to perceive God indirectly and vaguely like stars in the daytime? Shouldn't the existence and concerns of an all-powerful deity directly concerned with the governance of the planet be obvious and ordinary? I talk to people all the time whose material atoms I've never once seen, but I know they exist and what they're like because they can communicate with me in the present. Why can't God communicate in the present? Why is God's ability to express and explain limited to the writings of ancient prophets?

If you have a girlfriend but she hasn't texted you in 1,389 years, do you really have a girlfriend?

Hello. I really enjoyed your message. Thanks. I am married. And I have two daughters. And I love them. I love my family. But you asked an important and interesting question. Thank you. There is a lot of talk about this. But first I will give an example. Did you go to university? How were the classes and teachers? They are great. it's true? Good. Does the teacher tell all of his / her scientific discussion in full in class?
Of course not. Introduces you to various sources and books. Until you go to them for a full review of the relevant scientific discussion. And read the whole lesson. And then it takes a test from you. is it right? Yes. Again, if these books and prohibitions and the master were not enough for you and you were not satisfied. You go to other sources.
Let us now examine God. Its existence is seen in all creatures of the universe. And everyone shows that God exists. In fact, the creatures themselves are the sign of their Creator. That is God. He has sent masters in the name of the prophets to us humans. He also sent textbooks, which are holy books. Has stated generalities and principles. Everyone is available to us. The rest is up to us. Isn't this a logical approach? This is definitely a logical approach. Man fully understands God in the universe. And all the resources are available to him to find the complete contents. Do you want something better than this? I hope we are not lazy students.
And succeed in our test. I love you.

 

[Pixel42]

Do you want something better than this?

Yes, we want something better than ignorant superstition and childish refusal to even attempt to understand the arguments and evidence against it. But we are clearly not going to get it from you.

 

[IanS]

Heydarian – you are writing lots of posts here arogantly claiming that you have “proved God”, but you never produce any such proof. You never produce even any evidence at all, or even any honest credible argument …

… all you do in every post is to make an endless line of dishonest untrue claims.

Why do you not care what the truth is?

You clearly have no regard or respect for the truth at all.

Do you understand that the point of science, and the whole reason for the existence of science, is that it is a search for the truth about anything (everything). Do you understand that science has shown itself beyond any credible doubt to be by far mankind's best and most accurate way of understanding what is likely to be true for everything in this world … do you understand that?

Religious belief such as yours has shown none of that ability for any truth. Do you understand that?

If you do not believe that, and if you object to what I have just said to you, then why have your "proofs" and your “truths” of religion, never been published in any genuine credible science research journal?

I told you this before, but I will repeat it again to you – scientists all over the world would absolutely love to find genuine evidence of any God. They would publish that immediately and everyone in the world would be made aware of it within hours. But it has never happened! With perhaps a million new research papers being published every year in core science alone (ie fundamental physics, chemistry, biology and most of the highest level maths), never, not even once has any evidence of any God been reported … do you understand that?

Maybe you disagree with that? OK, in that case produce here the genuine research papers that claim to have discovered the reality of God … where are those papers? The truth (which you seem to have no regard at all for), ie the honesty (which you seem to have no care for), is that you will not find any genuine science papers claiming to show that your God (or any such supernatural god) exists . You will not find any paper claiming that any such God ever existed!

Do you know what that means? That means there is no evidence of your God!

That means that all of your claims of showing a “proof” of God are simply delusional untrue dishonesty, preached repeatedly here by you on page after page. You clearly have zero repect for truth or honesty in this world.

There are quite a few of us here in this thread who would happily have a genuine honest discusssion with you about your religious beliefs. But you have shown yourself to be completely unwilling to have any honest discussion at all. You show that in every post. You are simply not an honest person (it seems that your religioin has made you that way). And it's not possible for anyone to have a useful, genuine, or truthful conversation with someone who is constantly being dishonest in the way that you are.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

I have proved the existence of God to all of you in many ways.

No. You really haven't.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Hi. Well done. What a good game. I also love this game. I congratulate. let's play together. Not a compound game. A healthy game. I watch you run away. Until I find you. Good. I have good skills in this game. Wherever you are, I will find you. Because I see the path with my eyes closed. And people who are scared and runaway. What are you running away from? From within you who says: I am not alone. Wow. What do you mean you are not alone? do you want to try? So let's play.

Thank you for explaining yourself. (For a very small value of explanation.)

 

[Scorpion]

... And it is a fact that only by advancing microscopic devices can we physically observe the " Cloud species reality" of those particles.
So that the discoveries and photographs of the structure of the atom in modern physics prove this fact. And quantum physics explains it in the modern world.
And in terms of the Qur'an and the divine teachings, we can see such an insight in the following verse:
And you look at the mountains and think that they are solid (and you see them solid and motionless) while they are like Cloud species fluid! This is the creation of God, who has created everything in perfect perfection. In fact, he is aware of what you do. (27/88)

Your quote of 27.88 is flawed. Here are several translations which simply state mountains will eventually pass away:


Sahih International: And you see the mountains, thinking them rigid, while they will pass as the passing of clouds. [It is] the work of Allah , who perfected all things. Indeed, He is Acquainted with that which you do.

Pickthall: And thou seest the hills thou deemest solid flying with the flight of clouds: the doing of Allah Who perfecteth all things. Lo! He is Informed of what ye do.

Yusuf Ali: Thou seest the mountains and thinkest them firmly fixed: but they shall pass away as the clouds pass away: (such is) the artistry of Allah, who disposes of all things in perfect order: for he is well acquainted with all that ye do.

Shakir: And you see the mountains, you think them to be solid, and they shall pass away as the passing away of the cloud-- the handiwork of Allah Who has made every thing thoroughly; surely He is Aware of what you do.

Muhammad Sarwar: You think the mountains are solid. In fact, they move like clouds. It is God's technique which has established everything perfectly. He is well Aware of what you do.

Mohsin Khan: And you will see the mountains and think them solid, but they shall pass away as the passing away of the clouds. The Work of Allah, Who perfected all things, verily! He is Well-Acquainted with what you do.

Arberry: and thou shalt see the mountains, that thou supposest fixed, passing by like clouds -- God's handiwork, who has created everything very well. He is aware of the things you do.

 

[Mojo]

Hi. Well done. What a good game. I also love this game. I congratulate. let's play together. Not a compound game. A healthy game. I watch you run away. Until I find you. Good. I have good skills in this game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

 

[Mojo]

Unless we see this super-species garlic with proper and advanced tools.

Tell us more about this super-species garlic.

 

[Scorpion]

in terms of the Qur'an and the divine teachings....

I know you have been reading the Quran since you were five. I think you need a rest from it. Because I have read many other spiritual books, and I find the Quran is nothing like I would expect God to say.

You quoted my signature of a saying by Sri Ramakrishna. I recommend you take a rest from the unholy Quran and read more of Hindu scriptures. Read the Upanishads for a change. They are much older than the Quran, and they are truly spiritual.

 

[Lothian]

Tell us more about this super-species garlic.

Allium hu akbar.

 

[IanS]

1562 ... Let me be honest: if I say this in the Muslim Association. They will accuse me of blasphemy. And I am called an infidel. And if I tell you for your forum. As I said now. You will say he is crazy. Or has no knowledge. He thinks idealistically and unrealistically. And you make fun of me. While this is not the case. I told you the truth. And all my content is based on realism. And is woven with modern science.
We humans compare and understand everything with our physical appearance. And we do not think that there can ever be other realities in the universe other than matter and body. And we wrap this thinking around ourselves like a spider web. And we can not get rid of it. And this is not a good approach.
I hope one of you thinks well and understands me.

Most of us are not making fun of you. Instead we are simply frustrated and disappointed to find how completely intransigent you are and how you are completely unwilling to have an honest conversation about the things you believe ....

... you cannot have an honest conversation if you keep quoting your holy book and insisting that you simply "know" that you are right and that you know it is all true. That is not a conversation or a discussion at all ... that is just a one-side preaching diatribe from you (a diatribe in which you are entirely unwilling to honestly discuss any of the religious claims that you have made).

I said this to you before, but if you ever do want an honest conversation here (or anywhere, with anyone), then just pick one of your beliefs and lets disacuss & examine the validity (or non-validity) of that belief before we start creating an impossible situation where you at the same time introduce 20 other beliefs and claims.

Your main claim seems to be that you believe that actual proof exists for God's existence. So lets just discuss that before we get sidetracked by 20 other diversions.

You told us before that what you believe to be the proof, is similarly to what Thomas Aquinas wrote as his 5 proofs in the 13th century. So, if you want to be honest about what you are saying to us all here, then lets examine whether any of that amounts to any sort of actual “proof”, or whether it's actually just a misguided belief from a religious fanatic who lived 800 years ago at time when he had no scientific education or understanding of the world at all.

 

[Tassman]

There is no need for every event to happen.
It must be scientifically proven to be believable to us.
Because some issues such as: the history of tribes, groups, kings, etc., which can not be proven except by writing and recording by the people present at that time.
And some other issues such as: miracles and extraordinary things, etc., which have the ability to be scientifically proven, but due to the limitation and imperfection of human science and the lack of sufficient growth and excellence of science have not yet been scientifically proven.
For example, we can refer to the soul, although we all agree that man has an invisible commander and ruler called the soul, which in modern science is called "personality" and "I". But in terms of experimental sciences (biology, medical physics, etc.) the principle of its existence has not been proven.
That is, none of the position, how it exists and its nature and how it functions has been proven. (Of course, in the intellectual and philosophical sciences, there are logical and strong reasons for the existence of the soul. And I told you in my article in the same group
Therefore, not proving something from the point of view of empirical sciences is not a reason for its non-existence or non-existence. Rather, it is the reason for its greatness and the insignificance of our knowledge as human beings against the phenomena of the universe.

Not at all. Why do you assume 'souls' exist? There is NO logical reason for thinking such entities exist. If you believe they do you need to explain how an immaterial soul can interact in any way with the material body - where is the nexus. Where and how does the 'immaterial' connect with the 'material'?

 

[Chanakya]

1562 ... Let me be honest: if I say this in the Muslim Association. They will accuse me of blasphemy. And I am called an infidel. And if I tell you for your forum. As I said now. You will say he is crazy. Or has no knowledge. ...

You're like a walking talking compendium of logical fallacies!

Check out Galileo Fallacy, if you wish to know more about this latest gem of yours.

 

[heydarian saeed]

No, "we" don't make this mistake. I've never known, or heard of, anyone who thought that God was made of matter and energy. In my experience people either think God is "outside" the universe of matter and energy, or they think there's no such thing as God.


Trying doing so, then. Start by educating yourself.


A lot more can be understood with science and experience than with ignorance and superstition.


No, it really isn't. As you would know if you educated yourself.

Hi. Great. I follow the theory that "God is beyond matter and energy." And basically it is not right as we perceive it from God. It is true that only "God exists" we do not know the gender and type of it at all. And any talk of this is a big mistake. And it is definitely wrong. I repeat, this is the only true belief that: God exists.
I totally agree with the training. What training do you say? Introduce its sources. Thank you.
Exactly, with knowledge and experience, one should understand well instead of superstitions. We totally agree that we should move forward with science and experience. And let's not be prejudiced at all, how about you?
Rest assured that I am educated. But my field of study does not contradict my views on religion and the Qur'an. And I try to understand my religion and the Bible, the Qur'an. If I see anything in the Qur'an that is contrary to science, I will certainly leave it out. And I do not follow. But so far, I have realized that everything I have read in the Qur'an is scientific after the necessary examination. And I have followed. If you see anything contrary to science in the Qur'an, tell me. To check. Thank you for your cooperation
I see you as an educated and understanding lady. And I'm glad to have an exchange with you. I see your culture, science and literature better than other associations.
You think more intelligently and realistically than others. And you are not talking about speculation. And that makes us proud.
And thank you for your tact.

 

[malbui]

I've said this before and I'll say it again.

Not discussing. Not responding to comments. Not reading what is written.

Heydarian, I'm happy to accept that you are sincere and well-meaning. But all you've been doing here is ignore what people are saying to you, making unsupported claims such as everybody accepting the existence of the soul, repeatedly asking for examples of where the Quran is palpably wrong and then ignoring such examples, and claiming proof of the existence of god when all you're doing is rehashing repeatedly the flawed arguments of Aquinas.

It's not a discussion if you're closing your ears and preaching rather than engaging with others.