Cont: The Trump Presidency: Part 28

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No sin I could name would be sufficient, in the eyes of a liberal. The whole concept of "sin valuation" is entirely subjective, and not worthy of debate.

If you mean that, for example, raising taxes on the poor is seen as unfair by the poor and fair by the rich, and raising taxes on the rich is seen as fair by the poor and unfair by the rich, then yes, there is a certain subjectivity.

But things like attacking the very foundations of democracy should be seen as objectively wrong by both liberals and conservatives, surely.
 
If you mean that, for example, raising taxes on the poor is seen as unfair by the poor and fair by the rich, and raising taxes on the rich is seen as fair by the poor and unfair by the rich, then yes, there is a certain subjectivity.

But things like attacking the very foundations of democracy should be seen as objectively wrong by both liberals and conservatives, surely.

One would think so. But not in today's GOP.
 
If you mean that, for example, raising taxes on the poor is seen as unfair by the poor and fair by the rich, and raising taxes on the rich is seen as fair by the poor and unfair by the rich, then yes, there is a certain subjectivity.

But things like attacking the very foundations of democracy should be seen as objectively wrong by both liberals and conservatives, surely.

Where did I say the conservatives don't have sins to account for? I just feel the liberals have just as many, which cumulatively are at least equivalent, based upon their body of work.

Also, "attacking the foundations of democracy" is a phrase that seems a bit subjective, to me.
 
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Where did I say the conservatives don't have sins to account for? I just feel the liberals have just as many, which cumulatively are at least equivalent, based upon their body of work.

Translation: I still can't.

Also, "attacking the foundations of democracy" is a phrase that seems a bit subjective, to me.

Repeatedly lying by claiming a national election was "rigged" and stolen" from him thereby convincing millions of Americans that their votes were changed to his opponent illegally and that their voting structure is insecure is not 'attacking the foundations of democracy' to you? Pray tell, then: what is?

Careful, Warp...if you lean any more you're going to fall flat on your behind.
 
No sin I could name would be sufficient, in the eyes of a liberal. The whole concept of "sin valuation" is entirely subjective, and not worthy of debate.

The Judges that have sentenced Republicans and Trump supporters, but not Clinton or Comey, would disagree.
 
This has now progressed to absurdist comedy.

"Hello, kettle? This is the pot. You're black!!".

Awesome stuff. :thumbsup:

Odd. I've never been accused of leaning conservative before. :rolleyes: (added to help Warp recognize sarcasm)

But you're right about one thing: This has now progressed to absurdist comedy. Just not in the way you mean it.
 
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Where did I say the conservatives don't have sins to account for?
Where did I say you said that?

I just feel the liberals have just as many, which cumulatively are at least equivalent, based upon their body of work.
And I just asked you to support that with actual examples of equivalent actions.

Also, "attacking the foundations of democracy" is a phrase that seems a bit subjective, to me.

Like Stacyhs, I find it hard to imagine a definition which would exclude the actions listed.
 
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Meh. I think liberals, overall, have done their best to **** up this country...with much success. Hence, I lean conservative, for the most part.

If you leaned anymore, you'd fall over.

Where did I say the conservatives don't have sins to account for? I just feel the liberals have just as many, which cumulatively are at least equivalent, based upon their body of work.

Also, "attacking the foundations of democracy" is a phrase that seems a bit subjective, to me.

Translation: I still can't

Repeatedly lying by claiming a national election was "rigged" and stolen" from him thereby convincing millions of Americans that their votes were changed to his opponent illegally and that their voting structure is insecure is not 'attacking the foundations of democracy' to you? Pray tell, then: what is?

Careful, Warp...if you lean any more you're going to fall flat on your behind.

This has now progressed to absurdist comedy.

"Hello, kettle? This is the pot. You're black!!".

Awesome stuff. :thumbsup:


Odd. I've never been accused of leaning conservative before. :rolleyes: (added to help Warp recognize sarcasm)

But you're right about one thing: This has now progressed to absurdist comedy. Just not in the way you mean it.


Who accused you of leaning conservative? "Leaning" is the key. Pretty sure you knew that, though. ;)

Try and follow the conversation. "Hence, I lean conservative" is the key. And I'm not sure from your last post that you did know it, though.
 
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Try and follow the conversation. "Hence, I lean conservative" is the key. And I'm not sure from your last post that you did know it, though.

At no point did I suggest that you "lean conservative". That assertion, it itself, has to be the most comical assertion in this thread.
 
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Where did I say the conservatives don't have sins to account for? I just feel the liberals have just as many, which cumulatively are at least equivalent, based upon their body of work.

To poke at the kind of examples that I would expect some conservatives to trot out - liberal support of political correctness, being smug know-it-alls who actually know nothing, liberals hating conservatives, and large assortments of Republican propaganda points of extremely dubious veracity (many of which also serve to divert attention away from much worse Republican sins along similar lines and create false equivalences if attention is called to such).

Liberals do have plenty of sins, of course, human as we are. It's just that when far too many "conservatives" immerse themselves in partisan fantasies (self identified conservatives have a notably greater propensity towards self-delusion at last check, incidentally), perspective is one of the first things to go.

Also, "attacking the foundations of democracy" is a phrase that seems a bit subjective, to me.

Honestly, when Republicans are actively working across the US to change the rules to make it harder for their opponents to vote and establish long-lasting minority rule, that's a pretty obvious thing to point at. When they're actively working to undermine election integrity and trust in it in a myriad of ways, that's a pretty obvious thing to point at. When their propagandists are actively fomenting rebellion, that's a pretty obvious thing to point at.
 
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To poke at the kind of examples that I would expect some conservatives to trot out - liberal support of political correctness, being smug know-it-alls who actually know nothing, liberals hating conservatives, and large assortments of Republican propaganda points of extremely dubious veracity (many of which also serve to divert attention away from much worse Republican sins along similar lines and create false equivalences if attention is called to such).

Liberals do have plenty of sins, of course, human as we are. It's just that when far too many "conservatives" immerse themselves in partisan fantasies (self identified conservatives have a notably greater propensity towards self-delusion at last check, incidentally), perspective is one of the first things to go.



Honestly, when Republicans are actively working across the US to change the rules to make it harder for their opponents to vote and establish long-lasting minority rule, that's a pretty obvious thing to point at. When they're actively working to undermine election integrity and trust in it in a myriad of ways, that's a pretty obvious thing to point at. When their propagandists are actively fomenting rebellion, that's a pretty obvious thing to point at.

Stop being dramatic! :p
 
Attempt to divert attention from inability to justify "feeling" that liberals are just as "sinful" as those who commit blatant attacks on democracy noted.
 
To poke at a couple stories...

A Nevada man cried to the cameras about voter fraud. He wasn’t wrong, but he was the fraudster

Yeah, Republican, just in case one couldn't guess.

What do Tucker Carlson’s fans sound like? Rep. Swalwell releases voicemail threats to show us

Also included - Election officials quitting at an unprecedented rate in response to GOP-driven death threats and related actions to that.

The states where most people are quitting their jobs all seem to have two things in common

"Right to work" and high covid rates. Funny thing, removing unemployment help just didn't work.
 
Attempt to divert attention from inability to justify "feeling" that liberals are just as "sinful" as those who commit blatant attacks on democracy noted.

Silly statement.

As I have already noted, placing valuation on political "sins" is subjective, and not worthy of debate.
 
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