New telepathy test, the sequel.

... if you ask people, "did I write 1, 2, 3 or 4" or "did I write 2, 3, 4 or 5"", it seems that people will give the correct answer about 25% of the time, even when they know the correct answer. In other words, it seems that people usually refuse to fully cooperate

This perfectly illustrates the total futility of participating. If you don't give the desired answer Michel will still believe you can read his thoughts and are lying about it.

Michel might as well just assume that every person who reads his question and does not reply is concealing knowing the answer. Or that the entire human race hears his question inside their head and colludes not to respond. It's that absurd.
 
Well, if a member of this forum claims that he was joking or being sarcastic in a telepathy thread, what value exactly does this have?

It doesn't matter that it's "in a telepathy thread." If someone says something that was intended as a joke, but others don't perceive it as such, then his only recourse is to announce matter-of-factly that it's a joke. You seem to be pleading the special case that if it's in a thread on a controversial subject, then it should be decided in favor of the controversial proposition, not in favor of the person attempting the correction. In your approach, any hint of ambiguity is resolved in your favor. That's neither fair nor scientific.

The explanation might simply be that they no longer want to admit that I am a "telepathic person", so they may say "what I said was a joke".

And it might more simply be that people naturally want to be understood accurately regardless of the question at hand.

Adding "a joke that you cannot understand because of your condition" makes the comment significantly more vicious...

Facts exist, whether they distress you or not. The people here have taken ample opportunity to test your ability to understand the nuances of expression in English statements, and have drawn their conclusion out of the evident facts, not out of some deep-seated hatred or fear of you. If that makes this forum a hostile environment for you, then you should question the wisdom of returning here year after year to repeat the same unproductive exercise.

...but it would seems that "thought projectors" are an "unprotected minority".

Your inability to prove to others any part of this is your problem. The other posters here have told you what it would take to convince them, and have offered you their assistance in accumulating that proof. Instead you simply want to foist your beliefs upon them on your own terms only, and thereby demand acceptance. Nearly everyone, including myself, has given up hope that you will ever see why your present proposal is objectively unconvincing.

The example that comes to mind is, of course, Loss Leader once again.

That appears to be all you have. You're just subjecting us to page after page of your attempt to dictate to everyone else what a man meant who has expressed himself very clearly -- in fact, was trained to do so -- and who is no longer here to defend himself against your supposition. You interpret your inability to convince anyone that you know best what he intended as their dishonesty rather than your error. You will make very little headway with that approach, here or elsewhere.

Loss Leader, a fully reliable poster? (some doubts about that)

If you believe Loss Leader to be unreliable then you should exclude his data from your study. But you don't, because you interpret that he gave you an answer that's favorable to your claim, and your aim appears to be to amass evidence that you're right, not test objectively whether you're right. Your ever-changing subjective rules purporting to govern the reliability of your data have the observable outcome of filtering them so that they are favorable to the desired conclusion. That's what makes your results unscientific, not some plot to discredit you.

If you continue to argue that Loss Leader was unreliable, then you owe everyone a better justification for why you continue to claim he confirms your abilities. Either his contribution is reliable, or it's not, regardless of whether it favors you. Either you're talking his contribution on the whole, or you're cherry-picking out of it what you want and dismissing the rest as "unreliable."

If you can manage a substantive reply to this that isn't just more accusations of others' dishonesty, then perhaps I may continue this dialogue with you. Otherwise I, like others, have said my piece and will allow you to flounder in paranoid ramblings without further interference.
 
This perfectly illustrates the total futility of participating. If you don't give the desired answer Michel will still believe you can read his thoughts and are lying about it.

Yes, it's futile to engage such proponents if your goal is to help them introspect and arrive at a better-reasoned answer. If the goal is otherwise, such as to show that questions do have answers regardless of the proponent's unwillingness to apprehend them, then some participation is order. Even then, I'd say we've belabored that enterprise already in this thread.
 
Yes, it's futile to engage such proponents if your goal is to help them introspect and arrive at a better-reasoned answer. If the goal is otherwise, such as to show that questions do have answers regardless of the proponent's unwillingness to apprehend them, then some participation is order. Even then, I'd say we've belabored that enterprise already in this thread.

Ah but a new Chestnut has emerged. You might be "covertly" taking his test.
 
Ah but a new Chestnut has emerged. You might be "covertly" taking his test.

I'd make a joke at this point about Michel setting his test, then claiming to have read the minds of everyone answering it and found that everyone who got the wrong answer was lying, but he'd probably take it as a serious suggestion, do it, and claim telepathy was proven.

Dave
 
I wonder if I could get sponsored to put product placement in my posts. I mean if Michel reads it then the whole world gets the message, right?

I think I need to check the MA.

PS In case of any doubt this is intended to be a joke.
 
This perfectly illustrates the total futility of participating. If you don't give the desired answer Michel will still believe you can read his thoughts and are lying about it.

Michel might as well just assume that every person who reads his question and does not reply is concealing knowing the answer. Or that the entire human race hears his question inside their head and colludes not to respond. It's that absurd.
yes you kinda nailed it.

I am interested in a 1 in 4 chance of something that doesn't give you 25%,
 
Michael, I might be willing to submit an answer for your current test. However, I don't really believe you've actually written down and circled a numeral. This doubt makes it hard for me to concentrate on an answer.

Please post a photograph, clearly showing the circled number. This will alleviate my distracting doubt and I'll be able to have a good try at guessing the number.

Now, I understand you might not want to do this, because once I see the photograph I'll know what target number you've chosen. So here's what I'll do: I promise I won't let that bias my answer.

Fair enough? Are we good to go?
 
Michael, I might be willing to submit an answer for your current test. However, I don't really believe you've actually written down and circled a numeral. This doubt makes it hard for me to concentrate on an answer.

Please post a photograph, clearly showing the circled number. This will alleviate my distracting doubt and I'll be able to have a good try at guessing the number.

Now, I understand you might not want to do this, because once I see the photograph I'll know what target number you've chosen. So here's what I'll do: I promise I won't let that bias my answer.

Fair enough? Are we good to go?

Seriously, there is no good outcome to this game. Whatever answer you give will be interpreted as proof of telepathy or proof you're lying to hide telepathy. Seriously, the conclusion is pre decided, every answer will be tortured to fit.
 
yes you kinda nailed it.

I am interested in a 1 in 4 chance of something that doesn't give you 25%,

Fun Fact; he started out with 1-10 but when that failed narrowed it to 1-4 and still failed.

I await the eventual 'I circled a number, Either 1 or 2' thread
 
I wonder if I could get sponsored to put product placement in my posts. I mean if Michel reads it then the whole world gets the message, right?

I think I need to check the MA.

PS In case of any doubt this is intended to be a joke.
A joke indeed... but I think if you can wheedle some funds out of some company for it... well, "a fool and his money" springs to mind. :)

Crap... years of Trump have tainted my concience. Not good. :(
 
Michael, I might be willing to submit an answer for your current test. However, I don't really believe you've actually written down and circled a numeral. This doubt makes it hard for me to concentrate on an answer.

Please post a photograph, clearly showing the circled number. This will alleviate my distracting doubt and I'll be able to have a good try at guessing the number.

Now, I understand you might not want to do this, because once I see the photograph I'll know what target number you've chosen. So here's what I'll do: I promise I won't let that bias my answer.

Fair enough? Are we good to go?
I understand how you feel, Myriad, but I am afraid I cannot do this for you, because this is an extra-sensory test.

However, for you (and perhaps also for others who might still be interested), I have written and circled again the target number, and I have also said it out loud. I will probably do this again with my "partners" (by this, I mean the mysterious, unidentified "voices in my head" who are often willing to cooperate in these simple experiments). They can help by saying the number too (I also ask sometimes the lady of Google Translate to say the target number).
 
Fun Fact; he started out with 1-10 but when that failed narrowed it to 1-4 and still failed.

I await the eventual 'I circled a number, Either 1 or 2' thread
Not true. My first two tests on this forum were 1-4 tests.

If I remember correctly however, I started my online telepathy tests, on Yahoo Answers, by asking people to guess a two-digit number, which was 57 (I chose this number because I had been conceived in 1957). My first question on Yahoo Answers was quickly deleted, but I reposted it and somebody replied roughly "either there is no paper there, or you wrote nothing, or the number is 57".

I believe the choice of my conception year was probably a motivating factor (but you can't do that very often).
 
Yes, Michael, but:

The Heinz company has been touting its 57 varieties for generations. The number is embedded in the western psyche, I might almost say in its collective uncious. Indeed.

Further: 5 + 7 = 12.

Or if you like, 7 + 5 = 12.

12.

12.

TWELVE, Michael. !!!!

Does the significance of that number escape you? I doubt it! Does it frighten you? I dare say it does! Indeed.

So don't try to take credit, or give it, for somebody coming along with the Great and Terrible Decimaloid. Hell, you can't escape it.

Indeed.
 
Not true. My first two tests on this forum were 1-4 tests.

If I remember correctly however, I started my online telepathy tests, on Yahoo Answers, by asking people to guess a two-digit number, which was 57 (I chose this number because I had been conceived in 1957). My first question on Yahoo Answers was quickly deleted, but I reposted it and somebody replied roughly "either there is no paper there, or you wrote nothing, or the number is 57".

I believe the choice of my conception year was probably a motivating factor (but you can't do that very often).

I stand corrected. It was others who asked why not 1-10.

I erroneously thought for a moment you had a slightly less ridiculous test.
 
Michael, I might be willing to submit an answer for your current test. However, I don't really believe you've actually written down and circled a numeral. This doubt makes it hard for me to concentrate on an answer.

Please post a photograph, clearly showing the circled number. This will alleviate my distracting doubt and I'll be able to have a good try at guessing the number.

Now, I understand you might not want to do this, because once I see the photograph I'll know what target number you've chosen. So here's what I'll do: I promise I won't let that bias my answer.

Fair enough? Are we good to go?

Good God, he even took this seriously.

I have to wonder how someone who fails to notice sarcasm as blatant as this manages to function in normal society at all.
 
Good God, he even took this seriously.

I have to wonder how someone who fails to notice sarcasm as blatant as this manages to function in normal society at all.


I have to wonder how someone with telepathic powers fails to notice sarcasm.
 
I have to wonder how someone with telepathic powers fails to notice sarcasm.

Pretty sure he's never claimed to hear anyone else's thoughts, only that everyone else can hear his. I don't think he believes the voices he hears in his head are those of real people.

Why he would be humanity's only exception in both directions - the only person who can't hear someone else's thoughts, and the only person whose thoughts can be heard - is not a question that appears to concern him.
 
Pretty sure he's never claimed to hear anyone else's thoughts, only that everyone else can hear his. I don't think he believes the voices he hears in his head are those of real people.

Why he would be humanity's only exception in both directions - the only person who can't hear someone else's thoughts, and the only person whose thoughts can be heard - is not a question that appears to concern him.

The question of why, if everyone could hear his thoughts, his bank account isn't immediately emptied & his credit cards maxed out within seconds of receiving a card doesn't seem to concern him either.
 

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