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Texas bans abortion.

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He asked the question in what I found to be a disrespectful way, due to that, I decided it wasn't worth answering.

I'm sorry we aren't taking "I'm right because I have magical mental powers where God tells me things and I don't have to explain them to the likes of you" with more good nature.

If you're going to tell women what to do with their bodies you're going to have to do better than "Godsayso" and either "You're being mean" or "I don't know LOL" to every counterargument.
 
It is very relevant when discussing people's claimed motivations to be against any abortion based on a religious view of the sanctity of life.

I have repeatedly said I do not base my stances on abortion on my religious beliefs. I realize many religious people have based their stances on abortion on their religious beliefs, I do not.

If you don't believe me, try to find any post in here of mine where I did base my stances on abortion on my religious beliefs. I don't think you will find one.
 
He asked the question in what I found to be a disrespectful way, due to that, I decided it wasn't worth answering.

Well that's a bit of a problem because at the moment your own words leave us with the word "faith" being a synonym for "stupidity". You said it means believing against the evidence plus some other "more" that you can't explain. So your own words equate faith to stupidity.

And your quote from John doesn't help a bit. It's just a long winded way of saying "faith is good" without saying why it's good. Can you read it again for yourself?
 
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I don't exactly know what you mean about a different set. We use the commandments found in Exodus 20.
Sigh. There are three different versions of the"ten commandments" used by the Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox sects.
 
Well, Warbler, you said that you're not sure what should be done in a case of rape pregnancy.

A sound thinker (dunno his name), once observed that people could lead happier and less troubled lives if they

just

wouldn't

SHOULD

all over themselves.

? not sure what your point is.

I just don't know what the right think to do is, in the case of pregnancy by rape. Until I am sure, I will side with letting the victim of the rape decide.
 
I have repeatedly said I do not base my stances on abortion on my religious beliefs. I realize many religious people have based their stances on abortion on their religious beliefs, I do not.

If you don't believe me, try to find any post in here of mine where I did base my stances on abortion on my religious beliefs. I don't think you will find one.

Then where did your opinion come from? Betcha the answer is going to be a really bad attempt at saying you're religious beliefs without saying your religious beliefs.

(Since I'm on ignore someone ask him this so he'll answer)
 
I have repeatedly said I do not base my stances on abortion on my religious beliefs.
And since you haven't come up with a good explanation for where they do come from and they just happen to be the same as the religious arguments then what are we to do?
 
The whole thing is meant as a covenant: you guys do these things for me & I will do these other things for you. The place where the Bible actually mentions the 10 Commandments seems to be Exodus 34

It also mentions the Commandments in Exodus 20:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+20&version=KJV


However, Exodus 34 gives the impression of being a retelling of the same event as what is told in Exodus 20. As such, I can see how it could seem reasonable to suppose that what is being told in Exodus 20 is also "The 10 Commandments" but it still begs the question of why Exodus 34 makes the point of saying that it is a passage about "The Ten Commandments" and Exodus 20 does not make the same point.

It also begs the question of why, despite some overlap (keep the Sabbath, jealous God...), they are clearly different.

I can see why Exodus 20 might be preferable as it is a more clearly delineated list whereas with Exodus 34 you might ask yourself, more than once, "is that one commandment or several?" or "isn't that part of a previous one?" or "are these festival ones all one commandment or should they be counted as separate?" (and, of course, you have to make it all add up to 10). On the other hand, 34 is the passage that makes the point of being the 10 Commandments and Exodus 20 is not.

It's things like that that make me extremely skeptical of various claims about how, aside from its often claimed value as being the "inspired word of God", the Bible can also be appreciated as great literature. Some of it is of very little relevance outside its context of an oral tradition from goat herders (ie. Song of Songs). Some of it is OK reads (Gospels) & some of it is kind of fun (The Revelation of St. John the Divine). But some of it will make your eyes glaze over as well and is virtually unreadable.

If this is the "word of God", God is not very clear and God can be kind of a boring read.

I know full well the Bible can be difficult to understand and a difficult read. (Of course, unlike many other books, it wasn't written with the intent to entertain) The Bible confuses me on many points and I too have doubts. But I still believe. But I understand if others can not.
 
The whole "I use the Bible to justify my irrationality and hatred, but lookit me being so tolerant in that I don't expect everyone to" act is getting old.
 
Well that's a bit of a problem because at the moment your own words leave us with the word "faith" being a synonym for "stupidity". You said it means believing against the evidence plus some other "more" that you can't explain. So your own words equate faith to stupidity.

And your quote from John doesn't help a bit. It's just a long winded way of saying "faith is good" without saying why it's good.

I'm sorry, I guess I can't explain it to you. You want to think my faith is stupid, you are entitled to your opinion.

Can you read it again for yourself?

I have read and reread it many, many times.
 
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Well hell's afire, Warbler!

....I am ... not okay with forcing a raped woman carrying the baby [to] term.

You just solved your whole problematic! All a woman has to do is say to the gummint of Texass that she was raped! That shakes all the should n oughta n s'posedta n gotta right plumb out 'o the bag!

"Wuz you raped, ma'am? You kin tell us."
"Huh? Oh, yeah, he raped me, but I didn't see his face. Know how that goes?"
"A honest Christiun woman don't have six no other way than rapin', I know that from my own personal marriage!"
"So praise jeebus and are we done here?"
"Yes, sister, but nex' time, tell him to wear a trick bag. Saves nation trubble."


There, and I didn't use even one string of asterisks, so I know you're not offended.
 
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And since you haven't come up with a good explanation for where they do come from and they just happen to be the same as the religious arguments then what are we to do?

base your arguments against me on what I said and argued, and not on what I did not say and argue?
 
You just solved your whole problematic! All a woman has to do is say to the gummint of Texass that she was raped! That shakes all the should n oughta n s'posedta n gotta right plumb out 'o the bag!

"Wuz you raped, ma'am? You kin tell us."
"Huh? Oh, yeah, he raped me, but I didn't see his face. Know how that goes?"
"A honest Christiun woman don't have six no other way than rapin', I know that from my own personal marriage!"
"So praise jeebus and are we done here?"
"Yes, sister, but nex' time, tell him to wear a trick bag. Saves nation trubble."


There, and I didn't use even one string of asterisks, so I know you're not offended.

I have said repeatedly that I am against the new Texas legislation. Farewell.
 
I smell a variation on "No you see I'm a sinner too, we're all sinners in the eyes of God, therefore it's not wrong for me to tell a woman what to do with her own body because she's a dirty slut who won't keep her legs closed like the Good Lord says" routine coming up soon.
 
And since you haven't come up with a good explanation for where they do come from and they just happen to be the same as the religious arguments then what are we to do?

base your arguments against me on what I said and argued, and not on what I did not say and argue?

And that's what we're doing. We're telling you the same thing we tell people who attribute the same arguments you're using to their religion. Your facts are frequently wrong and your unsupported opinions are not sufficient to run other peoples lives on.
 
I have said repeatedly that I am against the new Texas legislation. Farewell.

I asked you (before you put me on ignore) to give an example of an abortion law that would work. You never answered me.

So "it's not about this law!" is yet another dishonest copout.
 
I just don't know what the right think to do is, in the case of pregnancy by rape. Until I am sure, I will side with letting the victim of the rape decide.
You could be siding with the mother the rest of the time, too. But you aren't. So I think you are sure what the right thing to do is, you just lack the courage to follow your moral conviction to its end because you realize it's kind of a monstrous position to take if you don't get to point at the woman and call her a slut.
 
I didn't say the fetus' right to life always supersedes the mother's right to choose.

I am not okay with killing a fetus/zygote/embryo that is developing into a human being, but I am also not okay with forcing a raped woman carrying the baby term.

No, you're just saying that you are the one who gets to decide when "right to life" is important, not the mother. That makes "right to life" a weapon for you to wield when you disagree with the choice and a hypocrisy for you to ignore when you think it's ok. I repeat, from the parts of my post that you chose to ignore (or didn't understand)- "right to life" is an absolute that you cannot only give up in part; an attempt to do so to compromise with a necessity from it that makes you uncomfortable is just an arrogation of the right to choose to yourself and a mealy-mouthed pretense that the theft is a bargain for the ones robbed.
 
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