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Somebody had better do something!

In tense Blinken meeting, ‘Havana Syndrome’ diplomats complain of skepticism

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ndrome-diplomats-complain-skepticism-n1279769

WASHINGTON – U.S. diplomats suffering from the unexplained “Havana Syndrome” used a tense meeting with Secretary of State Antony Blinken this month to voice growing dismay over continuing stigma and disbelief within the U.S. government about their injuries, more than four years after the incidents began.

In his first meeting with the cohort of State Department staffers affected in Cuba and China, Blinken spent more than an hour offering reassurances and fielding questions, with most affected staffers joining remotely by phone. His message: Those suffering must be believed, and that the administration is doing all it can to investigate and provide care.

Yet, the assurance from America’s top diplomat stood in stark contrast to the profound challenges that affected diplomats say they’re still facing in getting proper medical care, evaluation and benefits — and the skepticism about their injuries they say is pervasive even among some high-level government officials.
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Somebody should tell Blinken that taking "those suffering" seriously when they talk about their symptoms is very different from spreading rumors about directed microwave energy attacks, which is what Mr Burns is doing. And it probably won't stop now that he believes that his ... let's call him Smithers ... is also the victim of an attack.
 
I didn't have time till now to finish reading the English translation of the report by Cuban scientists mentioned and linked to in post 923.
I recommend that everybody with an interest in this do so. This is an excerpt from the conclusion, p. 29-30:

Counterclaim 6: It is not possible to rule out the psychogenic and toxic explanations for many symptoms in some cases without further research. Specifically, all the conditions for psychogenic propagation of malaise were present in this episode.

Concerning the last counterclaim, we offer the following scenario: initially, -for whatever reason- a few individuals believed they were being "attacked" by "sonic weapons".

Subsequently, an environment was created that fostered amplification of symptoms and their misattribution to improbable causes, together with a psychogenic spread of concern and the development of functional neurological disorders. The factors that created this environment were an inadequate initial medical response, the early official U.S. government endorsement of an "attack" theory, and sensationalist media coverage, among other causes.

CAS is willing to revise its conclusions if new evidence emerges. It welcomes attempts to disprove its counterclaims in an atmosphere of open scientific collaboration. However, it firmly rejects as an "established truth," a narrative built on flimsy foundations and faulty scientific practice. Each link in the chain of reasoning leading to the “mysterious syndrome” narrative is weak, so they cannot bolster each other. Additional flawed research cannot buttress the narrative. Unfortunately, farfetched speculations in some scientific fields (say neuropsychology, neuroimaging, or biomechanical modeling) are offered because they were “suggested” by other -unvalidated- conjectures.

An example is the idea that an “attack took place, which is accepted without critical thinking. Some science articles -and most news stories- we have read accept as an axiom that attacks occurred in Havana, thus an idea to build theories on. Nevertheless, after four years, no evidence of attacks has emerged. It is time for a restart of the narrative.
The CAS Expert Group deplores the lack of adequate patient medical information to carry out its work and the artificial restrictions imposed on collaboration with U.S. researchers involved in patient assessments. We sympathize with the plight of U.S. employees (or their families) that have health complaints. Since we recognize that people have been feeling ill, we think it is ethically imperative to dispel wild conspiracy theories and misattribution of symptoms to explanations that defy the laws of physics. Accomplishing the goal of cooperation and collaboration between U.S. and Cuban researchers would be a solid step to accelerate the recovery for many people affected by these incidents (Stone, 2014).

CAS reiterates its willingness to collaborate with NASEM and any other U.S. or international counterparts, with the goal of better understand the health incidents involving U.S. diplomats and their families in Havana (or in any other place). Ultimately, we hope this would help alleviate suffering in affected individuals and contribute to re-establishing closer ties between the two scientific communities and eventually between the two countries.
An Assessment of the Health Complaints during Sojourns in Havana of Foreign Government Employees and their Families - Technical Report by an Expert Group of the Cuban Academy of Sciences (Sep, 2021)


I actually think that this takes the people suffering from the so-called Havana Syndrome seriously in a way that the reports from U.S. institutions of research don't.
 
Havana Syndrome bill passes House and is headed to Biden's desk for signature into law.

The House cleared bipartisan legislation on Tuesday that would authorize payments to government employees injured by anomalous health incidents — known as "Havana syndrome" — while serving abroad.

The bill, which lawmakers approved by a 427-0 vote, now heads to President Biden's desk for his signature after the Senate unanimously passed it in June.

It specifically authorizes the CIA and State Department to provide financial support to employees who have suffered brain injuries inflicted by the mysterious syndrome. The intelligence community still doesn't have an official explanation for the symptoms, which can include headaches, memory loss and dizziness — more than four years after the first cases were reported in Havana, Cuba.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/573302-house-passes-bill-to-compensate-havana-syndrome-victims

Setting aside some payola for victims of the make-believe disease.
 
Don't you think that they will distinguish between people who have an actual, physiological ailment and those who suffer 'only' from mass psychogenic illness? If that is the case, the money will go to people whose illness, for instance age-related brain damage or loss of hearing, is real.

It is interesting to see the two most common symptoms of mass psychogenic illness (Wikipedia):
Headache 67%
Dizziness or light-headedness 46%


Your quotation mentions "symptoms, which can include headaches, memory loss and dizziness."
 
Don't you think that they will distinguish between people who have an actual, physiological ailment and those who suffer 'only' from mass psychogenic illness? If that is the case, the money will go to people whose illness, for instance age-related brain damage or loss of hearing, is real.
If people with real illnesses (whether physical or psychological) get support then that is a good thing, no matter how they became ill.

What's remarkable here though is the 427-0 vote. Republicans fought tooth and nail against Obamacare, but frame the initiative a little differently and they are all for it. Those who are worried about the hysteria spreading shouldn't - we want it to spread to everyone, because this is how we finally get universal health care!

However the serendipity of this newfound cooperation plus the latest incident in India is bringing into focus the likely perpetrator of these heinous attacks. We all know it was Obama's fault of course - but think about it - who had more incentive to use such a cold-blooded back-door way to get UHC than him?

The proof is in data if you just look at it right. Ignore the confusing variety of symptoms and spread of locations and concentrate on the one common factor - virtually all the victims are American diplomats who were attacked in their own embassies. Who had the greatest access and opportunity to carry out the attacks? Why it was us! The conclusion is almost too obvious - Obama instructed our own CIA to carry out these attacks, to get Republicans onboard with the idea of government funded medical care. This is exactly what you would expect from the tan-suited narcissist. Obama had the motive, the opportunity, the means and the frame of mind to do it - so he must have.
 
Spratlen is departing this week as the State Department faces growing questions about its response to Havana Syndrome and the care and benefits being provided to suffering employees. In recent days, Spratlen had faced a public call for her resignation, and numerous U.S. diplomats said she had lost the confidence of affected employees.
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Diplomats suffering from Havana Syndrome voiced growing dismay this month in a tense phone call with Blinken and Spratlen over continuing stigma and disbelief within the U.S. government about their injuries, more than four years after the incidents began in Cuba.
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On the call, Spratlen responded to a question about an FBI study that found no evidence of an attack and determined that the staffers were most likely to be suffering from mass psychogenic illness, or mass hysteria.
Spratlen responded by saying she had read the study but did not indicate that she agreed or disagreed with its findings — a response that sufferers on the call later described as “invalidating.”
Marc Polymeropoulos, a former senior CIA officer who says he was hit by Havana Syndrome in Russia in 2017, wrote Tuesday on Twitter that declining to rule out the “mass hysteria” theory was “insulting to victims and automatically disqualifying” from leading the task force.
“State is not serious until Ambassador Spratlen is replaced,” Polymeropoulos said.
Diplomat overseeing 'Havana Syndrome' response is out after 6 months (NBC News, Sep 23, 2021)


To me, this sounds as if Spratlen was ousted because she disagreed with the desired outcome of the many 'investigations' into the 'Havana Syndrome': It has to be the result of an attack! There has to be a perpetrator. And that imaginary perpetrator has to be punished!
I bet the Republicans won't complain about 'cancel culture' in this case ...

ETA:
The diplomat picked by the Biden administration to oversee the State Department’s response to “Havana syndrome” is leaving days after sufferers were left upset by her not ruling out that their symptoms could be explained by mass psychogenic illness. earlier this week, NBC News reported on a tense-sounding call with Havana sufferers who said Spratlen refused to say whether she believed an FBI report on the syndrome that determined that staffers were most likely suffering from a kind of mass hysteria.
Diplomat Leading Havana Syndrome Response Out After Angering Sufferers With 'Mass Hysteria' Comments (The Daily Beast, Sep 23, 2021)


So now we know what is required of her successor: He or she will have to rule out the most likely explanation for the 'Havana Syndrome'.
 
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Another skeptic cancelled

Somebody had better do something!

In tense Blinken meeting, ‘Havana Syndrome’ diplomats complain of skepticism
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/na...ndrome-diplomats-complain-skepticism-n1279769

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... she (Pamela Spratlen) faced calls for her resignation after a teleconference with victims who had asked a question about an FBI study that determined the illnesses had a psychological origin rather than a physical one.
Spratlen declined to say if she believed the FBI study was accurate or not, angering victims who believe their symptoms are the result of an attack, possibly with microwaves or some form of directed energy. NBC News first reported the exchange. The FBI declined to comment.
Dozens of U.S. personnel in Vienna, including diplomats and intelligence officials, as well as some of the children of U.S. employees, have reported symptoms, according to the current and former officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.
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The CIA station chief had come under criticism for not taking swifter action in response to symptoms reported among intelligence personnel, said U.S. officials. People familiar with his performance described him as skeptical that the illness was genuine and insensitive to the suffering of the staff he led.
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As lawmakers pressure the administration to address the phenomenon, the National Security Council has sought to encourage employees across the federal government to report any potential health issues that they may be experiencing. An increase in reported health incidents has ensued.
CIA station chief in Vienna recalled amid criticism of management and handling of mysterious ‘Havana Syndrome’ cases (WP, Sep 23, 2021)


Not exactly unpredicted ...
And by recalling the station chief in Vienna, Mr Burns has sent a signal to other CIA station chiefs: 'Don't try to put a lid on this. Keep 'em coming!'
 
An article in the Miami Herald mentions that Pamela Spratlen is leaving the post as lead adviser of the response to the 'Havana Syndrome', but it completely ignores the (alleged) reason. In fact, it carefully avoids mentioning any suspicion that the whole thing is psychological in nature and not any kind of attack:

At the State Department, the lead adviser overseeing its response to the phenomenon is leaving this week, officials told McClatchy. Secretary of State Antony Blinken plans to name a replacement in the coming days for Pamela Spratlen, who is entering retirement.
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“The message appears to be that ‘we can reach you anywhere,’” another government source said.
The reported cases in Vietnam and India are still being investigated. The U.S. government has not officially concluded that they were intentional attacks by a foreign power against American personnel.
But privately, Biden administration officials have become increasingly convinced that Havana syndrome cases are the result of targeted attacks.
As intelligence probe of ‘Havana syndrome’ gains momentum, fear grows of escalating attacks (Miami Herald, Sep 23, 2021)
 
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An article in the Miami Herald...

As intelligence probe of ‘Havana syndrome’ gains momentum, fear grows of escalating attacks
Don't fear it, embrace it! There's only way to end these attacks, find more of them - a lot more. Every US government employee everywhere should claim that they are a victim, no matter what symptoms they have. Got a slight headache, hearing loss, sick of work? You've been attacked! Only by taking it to ridiculous extremes will we be able to dismiss the conspiracy theories and take a long hard look at the real cause.
 
I'm not surprised Biden and other legislators would buy into this kind of hysteria. They are not medical people. People unfamiliar with this kind of affliction would naturally tend to believe the 'victims' were experiencing real physical issues.

Whenever you see a certain cluster of symptoms with no obvious explanation it should be a red flag: headaches, memory or cognitive issues, dizziness, fatigue, a vague rash (usually one the victim reports but a rash which you, the provider, can't see).
 
Please don't apologize for Biden & Co. "They are not medical people."
You would never accept an apology for Trump's handling of the pandemic along the same lines, presenting Trump as the poor victim of mere ignorance. Trump actively sought out guys like Scott Atlas and Demon-Sperm lady because he wanted alleged experts to deliver confirmation of his pandemic response. At the same time, he was ignoring actual experts like Anthony Fauci.
Biden, Blinken and Burns are doing the same thing now because they want people in charge of the 'investigations' to come up with 'explanations' that justify the current administration's policy against Cuba. In this respect, nothing has changed since Trump. They are getting rid of the people who contradict the narrative that they are hoping to make stick.

How an Alleged Sonic Attack Shaped U.S. Policy on Cuba (NYT, April 18, 2018)

A better title would have been:
How U.S. Policy on Cuba Shaped an Alleged Sonic Attack
(except that in the meantime Sonic Attack has been replaced by Microwave Attack)
 
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Biden, Blinken and Burns are doing the same thing now because they want people in charge of the 'investigations' to come up with 'explanations' that justify the current administration's policy against Cuba. In this respect, nothing has changed since Trump.


Well, something has changed: Biden has made it worse!

One of the cruelest aspects of America’s sanctions policy is that it is so readily deployed because it satisfies special interest groups in Washington and is painless to Americans, but inflicts horrific damage on the poorest and most powerless — millions of ordinary Cubans and Iranians — who have no way to protest or respond.
Obama began to relax these policies toward Cuba. Trump reversed course. Biden has kept in place the Trump policy and actually tightened sanctions. In a recent U.N. General Assembly vote condemning America’s 60-year-old embargo, the vote was 184 to 2. (Israel was the only country to vote with Washington.)
Biden and his team often criticized Trump for his assault on the rules-based international system. But how does one rebuild such a system while embracing naked protectionism, unilateral sanctions, limited consultations and America First policies on vaccines and even travel?
Is Biden normalizing Trump’s foreign policy? (WP, Sep 16, 2021)
 
This one is from last year but very interesting:

A Canadian diplomat ...
... says he was awoken by a mysterious sound in the middle of the night.
"Diplomat Allen": A screeching, metallic scraping noise that just flooded the room. And I listened to it for about 20 to 30 seconds. And then, as it was fading, it would (He makes a sound like a record player slowing down)
- He says he was overcome with nausea, and at the same time his eldest son's nose started gushing blood. When he reported what happened, weeks before he says a Miami neurologist diagnosed he and his wife and two sons with mild traumatic brain injuries, he says he was told to stay quiet.
"Diplomat Allen": The one thing the ambassador told me at that time was that, 'Do not tell any other Canadians. We cannot start mass hysteria.'
Canadian embassy staff warned to stay silent on “Havana Syndrome” (Global News, Oct 26, 2020)



The diplomats interpret it as an attempt to deny that they were attacked and not merely as an attempt to stop an outbreak of mass hysteria among embassy workers.
This is obviously the perfect basis for a conspiracy theory.
 
Could it actually be the MiB? What sort of symptoms do you get after having your memory zapped? If the US has been infiltrated by Reptilians then the MiB maybe having to work overtime to root them out.
 
Don't fear it, embrace it! There's only way to end these attacks, find more of them - a lot more. Every US government employee everywhere should claim that they are a victim, no matter what symptoms they have. Got a slight headache, hearing loss, sick of work? You've been attacked! Only by taking it to ridiculous extremes will we be able to dismiss the conspiracy theories and take a long hard look at the real cause.


We are getting there, but only if we can get rid of all those damn skeptics:

Victims have complained of inattention by the department to their cases and lingering skepticism among its medical staff.
Earlier this month, Secretary of State Antony Blinken held a call with affected employees, who have also complained they continue to face hurdles in accessing medical care and benefits. Diplomats who took part in the call described the conversation — in which Spratlen and McKeon also participated — as "tense," and one called parts of it "offensive," criticizing what the person said seemed to be an entrenched disbelief among officials of victims' symptoms.
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On Wednesday, a bipartisan pair of senators — Democrat Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire and Republican Susan Collins of Maine — wrote to Blinken asking that State Department victims be allowed to access Walter Reed National Military Medical Center for evaluation and treatment. The letter noted some employees had been denied access to the hospital, which is a leading treatment center for brain injuries.
"Every U.S. government employee, regardless of their home agency, must be given the same equitable access to care," the lawmakers wrote. "We welcome efforts to broaden treatment options to care for this vulnerable population, but ask that the right to receive care from the center of excellence be a decision based on medical need and the wishes of the victim."
"We see no reason why the State Department and DoD cannot allow for equity for all government employees in access to care at Walter Reed," the letter said, referring to the Defense Department.
U.S. diplomat overseeing "Havana Syndrome" response leaving after 6 months (CBS News, Sep 23, 2021)


Also in: Senators press Blinken to improve care for Havana Syndrome victims as task force leader departs (CNN, Sep 24, 2021)
 
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Told you so!

Not exactly unpredicted ...
And by recalling the station chief in Vienna, Mr Burns has sent a signal to other CIA station chiefs: 'Don't try to put a lid on this. Keep 'em coming!'


Though the Washington Post reported that the station chief’s recall was not solely due to his handling of the “Havana Syndrome” cases, the shakeup at one of the CIA’s most prominent stations is being interpreted as a warning to other intelligence officials to take such reports seriously.
CIA Vienna station head recalled over ‘Havana Syndrome’ response (New York Post, Sep 24, 2021)


For this enterprise to be successful, medical staff will have to be screened even more carefully than the CIA agents complaining about attacks. Otherwise, they'll ruin the whole operation!

During his tenure, Burns has tripled the number of medical staff studying incidents linked to “Havana Syndrome” and met with agency personnel who reported cases. At least 200 cases are under investigation, half of them involving intelligence personnel.


There is no room for doubters and skeptics:

Sen. Jeanne Shaheen (D-NH), a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, described Pamela Spratlen’s departure from the position as a “firing” in an interview with MSNBC Thursday and called it a “positive sign that the State Department sees that there’s a problem and it intends to do something about it.”
 
Could Satellite Sensors Solve the Havana Syndrome Mystery? - Recent breakthroughs may prove forensically useful. (The Diplomat, Aug 30, 2021)

Worth a try, in my opinion: No registered "directed radio frequency (RF) energy" = no microwave-weapon attacks!
But so far, Blinken & Burns have not been willing to accept that no evidence = no attacks.


ETA: And in case you aren't quite up to date with the locations, the article mentions, "purported incidents in Hanoi, Vienna, Berlin, Kyrgyzstan, Miami, Washington D.C., Northern Virginia, London, Taiwan, Australia, Poland, Tbilisi, Moscow, Guangzhou and Havana."
But notice that this was before the most recent 'incident' in India.
 
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The device used to generate the RF output may itself emit detectable signals if not appropriately shielded. Notably, it would take only a single “hit” of the right signature to add significant credence to the directed RF energy hypothesis.

Yes, this is just what what we need. A single misattributed 'hit' should be enough to 'validate' every 'attack' that ever 'occurred'. But what if it doesn't turn up any hits? That would simply prove that the detection technique isn't as foolproof as they thought.

Whoever is behind these attacks obviously knows their craft well, because so far there has been no real hint of who is responsible. The varied symptoms suggest the weapon may actually have several attack modes, some of which might be impossible to detect with current sensors. So it doesn't matter whether we can detect the device or not - if we can't detect it that just means it is very sophisticated.

However it does mean we can narrow down the list of possible suspects. Clearly Dr. Evil is out (he's still trying to get those sharks to wear lasers on their heads). Such a device would require serious R&D to develop, so it must be the product of a major super-power with experience in the field. It should come as no surprise to learn that the US used Directed Microwave weapons in the Gulf war.

As I said before, it's quite telling that only US diplomats are being targeted, in so many locations all over the World that the idea of a foreign power being behind it seems remote. Sadly this clear evidence of who is to blame will probably be swept under rug due to the political impossibility of owning up to the fact that we have met the enemy, and they are us.
 

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