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ahhell said:
Then the next time the GOP has the congress what happens?
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The same thing. But let's not delude ourselves into thinkin the only reason the GOP has already done so is because they don't have to. The Democrats can do a proper power grab and simply upturn all the GOP shenanigans, and they would have the popular support to do so. That they won't do it is due to cowardice.
 
uke2se said:
The same thing. But let's not delude ourselves into thinkin the only reason the GOP has already done so is because they don't have to. The Democrats can do a proper power grab and simply upturn all the GOP shenanigans, and they would have the popular support to do so. That they won't do it is due to cowardice.
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What a load of crap.
 
And, of course, when Republicans hold the presidency and Congress again, they’d add their own seats or subtract the Democratic ones, making the entire exercise a nullity except for the permanent diminishment of the standing of the court.
It’s also true that, as a general rule, big changes happen in our system when a party makes a sustained public case for them prior to an election. Very few elected Democrats are even willing to come out in favor of packing the court, trying to make it a central issue in the campaign. Biden the other day pointedly refused to endorse it.
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If an idea is too toxic to talk about, it’s a good indication that it’s a nonstarter. Even though the advocates of what they euphemistically call “court reform” rightly point out that there’s nothing written in stone about the number of justices, it’s going to take a lot of work to convince people that jettisoning the 1869 Judiciary Act is the equivalent of renaming a post office.
Making court-packing the major initiative of his presidency would be an awkward fit for Biden on every level. It would validate the critique of him as weak and prone to getting pushed around by the left. It would blow up his, apparently sincere, hope to bring some normality back to Washington. It would inexorably make the destruction of the legitimacy of the Supreme Court part of his legacy, when he imagines himself an institutionalist. As far as counterintuitive presidential moves go, this wouldn’t be Nixon goes to China; it’d be Nixon becomes a member of the Red Guards.

The argument that Republicans have already “packed the court” is wordplay in the service of a false equivalence. Yes, Republicans have used hardball tactics to keep open, or now to try to fill, vacancies on the court. But these seats opened up in the natural course of events. They weren’t conjured out of nowhere in a fit of a pique or vengeance.
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https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/09/23/court-packing-is-a-fantasy-420828
 
Stacyhs said:
Sure: Because it's not seen as a good idea among the majority of Dems in Congress for what are pretty obvious reasons to anyone who thinks about it:

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/26/liberals-expand-supreme-court-democrats-484562
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Quotes from that article:

"Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.) said she opposes “adding seats that politicize the court.”" - Ooops, too late

“This is in the category of things that couldn’t muster 50 votes and probably couldn’t muster 40 votes,”

“We’re focused on Covid and infrastructure.”

I don’t think the American public is interested in having the Supreme Court expanded,”

"Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), who is “not persuaded” on court packing, said that Republicans would "seize on" court expansion "because they don’t want to talk about infrastructure.”"

“Expanding the Supreme Court has to be viewed with great caution,”

"Others warned that adding seats could open the door to further politicization of the court. “I’m skeptical of it because I don’t know where it stops,” said Sen. Angus King (I-Maine), who caucuses with Democrats."
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Sound a lot like cowardice to me. After all, the court already is highly politicized, and is set to absolutely destroy the Democratic agenda for a generation. It has already lost legitimacy.

Now, what are the obvious reasons for not packing the court that anyone who thinks about it would see?
 
What does need to happen is for Breyer to retire this year before the 2022 elections so McConnell cannot pull the same type crap he pulled in Obama's last year. We need to get another more liberal minded justice on the SC while we still can. The last thing we need is another conservative on the Court.
 
Stacyhs said:
What does need to happen is for Breyer to retire this year before the 2022 elections so McConnell cannot pull the same type crap he pulled in Obama's last year. We need to get another more liberal minded justice on the SC while we still can. The last thing we need is another conservative on the Court.
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3-6 for a generation. Great victory.
 
uke2se said:
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Sound a lot like cowardice to me. After all, the court already is highly politicized, and is set to absolutely destroy the Democratic agenda for a generation. It has already lost legitimacy.

Now, what are the obvious reasons for not packing the court that anyone who thinks about it would see?
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Jesus H. Christ...I can't believe you actually have to have this explained:

And, of course, when Republicans hold the presidency and Congress again, they’d add their own seats or subtract the Democratic ones, making the entire exercise a nullity except for the permanent diminishment of the standing of the court.
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Shall we just start adding or subtracting the number of justices every time a party doesn't get i's way with the Court slant they prefer?

Sure, McConnell pulled crap and got his way but that needs to be handled in a different way to prevent in the future. For example: making it law that a Senate Majority Leader cannot refuse to bring a Constitutionally given right for the sitting POTUS to nominate a SC justice up for a confirmation vote. Playing musical chairs with the number of justices isn't the answer.
 
Stacyhs said:
Jesus H. Christ...I can't believe you actually have to have this explained:



Shall we just start adding or subtracting the number of justices every time a party doesn't get i's way with the Court slant they prefer?
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You seem to be operating under the delusion that you have a functioning system as it is. You don't. The system is broken, and right now one side of American politics is doing everything they can to abuse the broken system, while the other sits on it's thumbs insisting that you can't break the system.

Stacyhs said:
Sure, McConnell pulled crap and got his way but that needs to be handled in a different way to prevent in the future. For example: making it law that a Senate Majority Leader cannot refuse to bring a Constitutionally given right for the sitting POTUS to nominate a SC justice up for a confirmation vote. Playing musical chairs with the number of justices isn't the answer.
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How does that help undo the damage that is already done and will be done with a pretty much permanent conservative majority on the court?

We're talking about a conservative movement that is drifting further and further towards fascism. You will not get another chance. If Democrats start losing power in 2022, you can be fairly certain they won't ever get it back. You have one year and change to undo the GOP power grab, and that's it. Radical things need to be seriously considered, or you will lose and never get another chance to win.
 
Stacyhs said:
And I'd bet if it had happened the other way around, you'd be screaming bloody murder if the GOP tried that tactic. You're being incredibly short-sighted.
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I'm so sorry, but it is you who are short-sighted. You don't seem to appreciate the situation you are in.
 
My patience only extends so far with "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" Chicken Little Doomsday fear mongers. G'night.
 
Stacyhs said:
My patience only extends so far with "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" Chicken Little Doomsday fear mongers. G'night.
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I'll be loath to say "I told you so", but I will do it nonetheless.

I'll amend my reasoning for the Democrats not doing anything about the situation. Cowardice, and apparently ostrich-syndrome.
 
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I have this nightmarish dread that the US is sleepwalking its way into fascism/authoritarianism.

The Dems have got to wake up, strap on the brass knuckles and really mix it up with that side for whom "rules" has become a dirty word.

Because right now it's not so very different to poor old Chamberlain dealing with Hitler.
 
To be fair, Republicans are just as cowardly;
Only, they are afraid of not being authoritarian enough.

Pence was going to be hanged for not violating the Constitution for Trump. All Republicans, including those on the Supreme Court, think they are next if they don't undo democracy.
 
Lurch said:
I have this nightmarish dread that the US is sleepwalking its way into fascism/authoritarianism.

The Dems have got to wake up, strap on the brass knuckles and really mix it up with that side for whom "rules" has become a dirty word.

Because right now it's not so very different to poor old Chamberlain dealing with Hitler.
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The Dems are at a disadvantage because they generally support rule of law and competent governance. The Repubs want only to get and keep power.
 
Lurch said:
I have this nightmarish dread that the US is sleepwalking its way into fascism/authoritarianism.

The Dems have got to wake up, strap on the brass knuckles and really mix it up with that side for whom "rules" has become a dirty word.

Because right now it's not so very different to poor old Chamberlain dealing with Hitler.
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Chamberlain believed appeasing Hitler by giving him the Sudetenland and not opposing the Anschluss would prevent war. The Dems are not appeasing the GOP. It's a false equivalency.

I agree that the Dems need to get tougher, but stacking the SC is an absolutely horrible idea.
 
Stacyhs said:
Chamberlain believed appeasing Hitler by giving him the Sudetenland and not opposing the Anschluss would prevent war. The Dems are not appeasing the GOP. It's a false equivalency.

I agree that the Dems need to get tougher, but stacking the SC is an absolutely horrible idea.
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Pretty sure the many women in Texas who won't be able to get an abortion would disagree.
 
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