Moderated Money/inequalities - Part 3 / Poll - willing to work for free?

[Gaetan]

Gaetan, a cashless society can be seen as the work of the devil in the Bible:

Cash society = evil society,

You fellows say that Jesus autorised money as long as you don't get rich but it isn't true, Jesus could take some money for healing as long as he wouldn't get rich according to what you say but he took nothing and told the apostles to do so.

 

[Leftus]

Cash society = evil society,

You fellows say that Jesus autorised money as long as you don't get rich but it isn't true, Jesus could take some money for healing as long as he wouldn't get rich according to what you say but he took nothing and told the apostles to do so.

So what? Even if the stories you rely on, written decades later were true, it's still meaningless. Reasserting them does nothing.

The one person who believes this to be true, you, refuses to live by it. Why should anyone else do anything other than what you do. We are simply following your example, not your words but your actions. Live without money, and at a standard above ours, and we will follow. Prove it. Simple as that, don't just reassert the claim, PROVE IT.

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Still just spouting garbage Gaetan then? Still relying on a book most people here don't care about for your morality despite it's horrifying morals? Still refusing to answer questions despite the fact you're clearly being intellectually dishonest?

Pathetic.

 

[Joecool]

Cash society = evil society,

You fellows say that Jesus autorised money as long as you don't get rich but it isn't true, Jesus could take some money for healing as long as he wouldn't get rich according to what you say but he took nothing and told the apostles to do so.

So why did Jesus and the disciples have money and a treasurer (Judas Iscariot)? Why did the holy of holies (The Temple in Jerusalem) collect taxes (money?)

If God didn't want people to use money, then I'm sure God could have stopped people from using money. But nothing in the Bible says money is evil.

The book of Timothy says "the love of money" can be the root of many evils. The love of money is not money itself. Money today is just a piece of paper or a piece of metal. It is not evil or good by itself.

If money is used to build a shelter for homeless people, is that money evil? If money is used to feed starving people, is that money evil?

Your assertions are becoming more and more bizarre, Gaetan.

 

[Gaetan]

So why did Jesus and the disciples have money and a treasurer (Judas Iscariot)? Why did the holy of holies (The Temple in Jerusalem) collect taxes (money?)

Judas was a traitor, which is why he was awarded the scholarship coming not from the work of Jesus but gift. In a world of money we need taxes to maintain services.

If God didn't want people to use money, then I'm sure God could have stopped people from using money. But nothing in the Bible says money is evil.

People are lighted by the Holy Spirit sends by God but he can't act or takes decision for you, as exemple, the Holy Spirit warns you that there is a child on the road while driving your car but it is your decision to slow down for safety. Jesus said you can't serve God and money, so it is God or evil.

The book of Timothy says "the love of money" can be the root of many evils. The love of money is not money itself. Money today is just a piece of paper or a piece of metal. It is not evil or good by itself.

Money is a tool, it is use by Satan to make injustice, the samething as fire arm, it is made to kill, it is a tool.

If money is used to build a shelter for homeless people, is that money evil? If money is used to feed starving people, is that money evil?

Your assertions are becoming more and more bizarre, Gaetan.

Money used as gift is not bad, it is bad and evil to make bargain with it.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

Judas was a traitor, which is why he was awarded the scholarship coming not from the work of Jesus but gift. In a world of money we need taxes to maintain services.

People are lighted by the Holy Spirit sends by God but he can't act or takes decision for you, as exemple, the Holy Spirit warns you that there is a child on the road while driving your car but it is your decision to slow down for safety. Jesus said you can't serve God and money, so it is God or evil.

I use my eyes to see children in the road, not the Holy Spirit.

Money is a tool, it is use by Satan to make injustice, the samething as fire arm, it is made to kill, it is a tool.

We have had this discussion before and you failed it. My neighbor has a knife. He has used the knife to cut flesh. Is the knife evil? Is my neighbor evil?

Money used as gift is not bad, it is bad and evil to make bargain with it.

If money is evil, why did Jesus command the disciples to use it?

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+22:36&version=NIV

36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

It doesn't say trade/bargin/exchange, it says buy.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Money used as gift is not bad, it is bad and evil to make bargain with it.

"I will give you a box of apples if you give me a sack of flour" = not evil.

"I will give you a $20 box of apples if you give me a $20 sack of flour" = evil.

This is how stupid and pointless your argument is.

 

[Gaetan]

I use my eyes to see children in the road, not the Holy Spirit.

If the Holy spirit wouldn't be there you wouldn't pay attention.

If money is evil, why did Jesus command the disciples to use it?

When you put the following verses Jesus says it is criminal

 

[abaddon]

If the Holy spirit wouldn't be there you wouldn't pay attention.

If true, I can drive my car blindfolded, right?
And car crashes are impossible, right?
Have you no idea how daft these notions are?

When you put the following verses Jesus says it is criminal

The following verses say no such thing. Try reading your stupid book for a change.

 

[Leftus]

Money used as gift is not bad, it is bad and evil to make bargain with it.

Which does nothing to explain why you embrace it so.

 

[The Man]

I thought, maybe, we would get another reassertion, did not expect a red herring. But it's still par for that course.

Must have been a scarcity of red herrings 'round here lately, so he just had to d'gin up some more.

 

[The Man]

You are going to need more chickens than that I suspect. Your going to need a flock of at least 3 to keep up your egg demands. Let's not forget about eggs for baking. Sorry, this is real world thinking, not just call down to the chicken factory and get more birds.

As far as Chainsaws go, I need one for big logs and one for smaller logs. I just looked it up, and chainsaws are quite complex when it comes to purpose. You do want want suited to the size you are sawing.

I've got my regular gas powered 'typical' chain saw, for felling trees and chopping up trees that have fallen. I also have an electric pole mounted chainsaw for trimming branches and taking down small saplings in brush before they get to the point of needing the big saw.

 

[The Man]

I got rid of the covid in 2 days. At the first symptoms I thought it was bacteria and I did nothing, when the symptoms got worse I took 4000 IU of vitamin D, 1000 mg of vitamin C, and 25 mg of zinc per day, + liquid echinacea and I rubbed my lungs and throat with ravintsara essential oil and in 2 days the covid was gone. If you advise a doctor to prescribe this to his patients, he will laugh in the face because these are not products that can be patented by pharmas and sold at a high price.

Were you tested for Covid and did you test positive?

 

[The Man]

Money used as gift is not bad, it is bad and evil to make bargain with it.

How can even just a gift of money be used if the recipient can't or just doesn't, eventually, make some "bargain with it"?

 

[The Man]

If the Holy spirit wouldn't be there you wouldn't pay attention.

Does that make texting while driving the holy spirits fault? Is he, it, they not omnipresent?

Heck, what even is the holy sprits' preferred personal pronoun?

 

[MarkCorrigan]

Gaetan, why are you ignoring my questions? Why are you so afraid of answering them?

 

[Leftus]

Gaetan, why are you ignoring my questions? Why are you so afraid of answering them?

Well, since we've been calling him out for just reasserting his premise, he has no arrows left in his quiver. So now we wait until his sleep deprived amnesia kicks in and we get either red herrings or reassertions. Rinse and repeat.

If he were to address them, like an actual discussion, he would have to address those flaws. Since the plan was given to him by Jesus, it can't have any flaws, and addressing them would be doubt and thus a sin.

He has already accepted the plan as flawed by his own action, that is, he uses money. Now either he is either worshiping the devil and not following Gods plan, or he knows it's unworkable.

 

[Leftus]

... He (the doctor) will laugh in the face because these are not products that can be patented by pharmas and sold at a high price.

The doctor prescribes that I take Phamapill01 and he gets a kickback of ... nothing. He doesn't sell it, he doesn't profit from it at all. I don't even fill the script at his place of business. Horseshitopath suggests I take essential oils and other sugar pills, all of which he somehow conveniently sells. Are you sure you've connected the person to their profit motive correctly?

 

[The Man]

The doctor prescribes that I take Phamapill01 and he gets a kickback of ... nothing. He doesn't sell it, he doesn't profit from it at all. I don't even fill the script at his place of business. Horseshitopath suggests I take essential oils and other sugar pills, all of which he somehow conveniently sells. Are you sure you've connected the person to their profit motive correctly?

Not to mention that the supplement industry is a hundred billion dollars a year business (well that part has been mentioned) that is generally unregulated.

Natural supplements can be dangerously contaminated, or not even have the specified ingredients

Heavy metals, which are known to cause cancer, dementia and brittle bones, contaminate many diet supplements. One study of 121 products revealed 5% of them surpassed the safe daily consumption limit for arsenic. Two percent had excess lead, cadmium and aluminum; and 1% had too much mercury. In June 2019, the Food and Drug Administration seized 300,000 dietary supplement bottles because their pills contained excessive lead levels.

 

[Joecool]

Judas was a traitor, which is why he was awarded the scholarship coming not from the work of Jesus but gift. In a world of money we need taxes to maintain services.

People are lighted by the Holy Spirit sends by God but he can't act or takes decision for you, as exemple, the Holy Spirit warns you that there is a child on the road while driving your car but it is your decision to slow down for safety. Jesus said you can't serve God and money, so it is God or evil.

Money is a tool, it is use by Satan to make injustice, the samething as fire arm, it is made to kill, it is a tool.

Money used as gift is not bad, it is bad and evil to make bargain with it.

You can't serve God and money, but that doesn't mean you can't use money at all. You can still devote yourself to God and still use money. It's just that money shouldn't become the focus of your life.

Gaetan, in the Bible, an apple eaten by Adam and Eve represented "sin" entering the world because they directly disobeyed God. Does the Bible say you can't eat apples?

If you could actually comprehend this Gaetan, maybe we could have an actual discussion on your theory.