The supernatural

[Carrot Flower King]

The way to prove the supernatural is experimental science and not in the laboratory Dear friends. This subject is outside the field of experimental sciences and is in the field of philosophy and mysticism. And I chose the path of existential philosophy (deductive reasoning). I'm not looking for what you think. I am looking for science alongside the supernatural.
Genies and demons are of matter and nature, not the supernatural. And the experimental sciences can see them with special skills...God, the soul, knowledge and perception, angels, etc. are not of matter and nature and are supernatural. You have to set the boundaries between matter and extraterrestrial. Even science has accepted this.

OK, I'll make allowances for English not being your first language, but that bit from your post is just a string of contradictions, misused terminology, non sequiturs and nonsensical assumptions, which make even less sense when put together in one place.

 

[steenkh]

You chose to proceed with it anyway and have convinced no one, just as predicted.

You have just proved supernatural abilities yourself.

 

[Mojo]

The problem is your basic premise: that just weaving words is a way of discovering truth.

And let’s face it, someone who is capable of saying that “being proud of something ... is not a sign of pride at all” can probably use words to ‘prove’ pretty much anything.[/QUOTE]

 

[Scorpion]

There are countless ways to prove the Creator.

Not in my philosophy classes, there were a number of arguments, like the argument by design. which you appear to be using. But nothing was proved. Nor do I see any proof in your final conclusion. You had better try some of the other ways,

 

[Scorpion]

In the Beaufort Qur'an, there is advice and emphasis on thinking and contemplation. We have already said that 70% of Quranic verses are about nature. ..

What is the Beaufort Quran, is it different from other Quran's ? I did a google search and could not find it. As for 70% of the Quran being about nature, I though most of it was composed of stolen bible stories.

 

[Warp12]

What is the Beaufort Quran, is it different from other Quran's ? I did a google search and could not find it. As for 70% of the Quran being about nature, I though most of it was composed of stolen bible stories.

There is some irony in referring to "stolen bible stories".

 

[Scorpion]

There is some irony in referring to "stolen bible stories".

Muslims are fond of saying that the quran is a miracle, because it was dictated by an illiterate Arab who had no access to the bible. Therefore it must have come from God. The quran itself even says it must be from God, Because it confirms all the previous messages. But how would Muhammad know that if he had never heard the bible.

In fact there is a hadith in which Muhammad sends for the Torah to have it read to him, to decide the fate of a Jew and Jewess for committing adultery, and because the Torah says the punishment is stoning Muhammad had them stoned. This proves he knew the bible well.

Here are three verses in the quran that mention the psalms of the bible by name.


004.163 We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.

017.055 And it is your Lord that knoweth best all beings that are in the heavens and on earth: We did bestow on some prophets more (and other) gifts than on others: and We gave to David (the gift of) the Psalms.

021.105 Before this We wrote in the Psalms, after the Message (given to Moses): My servants the righteous, shall inherit the earth."

In any case the quran mentions the Torah, or the books of Moses and Abraham at many verses; Here are some references.

surah 3.48 surah 4.54 surah 11.17 surah 11.110 surah 19.41 surah 17.2 surah 17.4 surah 23.49 surah 25.35 surah 40.53 surah 41.45 surah 45.16 surah 46.12 surah 53.36 surah 87.19 surah 28.2 surah 32.2 surah

The Greek bible was readily available long before Muhammad's time, and it is well know that Muslim raiders took many manuscripts along with other plunder.
What is even more obvious is that the greater part of the quran quotes bible story after bible story, and many of these quotes are about Jewish old Testament myths that are obviously no part of real history, and their source can only be Jewish scribes that invented them to promote their own agenda.
There has been much work done on bible criticism, and some of it to show that the story of Noah's ark, and Jonah and the whale, and Adam and Eve, and the drowning of Pharaohs army, and such stories, have no foundation in reality. But the quran claims them all as a previous message from God.

 

[Pixel42]

What is the Beaufort Quran, is it different from other Quran's ? I did a google search and could not find it. As for 70% of the Quran being about nature, I though most of it was composed of stolen bible stories.

My memory of it is it's mostly composed of rants about unbelievers.

 

[Scorpion]

Approximate number of times bible characters are mentioned in the Quran,
Aron 20
Abraham 46
Adam 12
David 12
Elijah 2
Isaac 13
Ishmael 9
Jacob 11
Jesus 10
Job 4
John the Baptist 4
Job 4
Jonah 6
Joseph 4
Mary 22
Moses 43
Noah 30
Pharaoh 29
Saul 2
Solomon 8
Zachariah 3

 

[heydarian saeed]

heydarian saeed
I have something import for you to consider?

In 1215 the following was written in the Magna Carta.

The city of London shall enjoy all its ancient liberties and free customs, both by land and by water. We also will and grant that all other cities, boroughs, towns, and ports shall enjoy all their liberties and free customs

In 2012 nearly 800 years later the city of London opened up to the world and welcomed all to enjoy the liberties and customs of London in the Olympic games.

1. How did king John know about an event happing 800 years in the future?
2. Is this also evidence of the supernatural?

No dear friend. You have used inverse and negative analogy in this article, dear friend. Of course, negative analogy is also used in logic. You have closed the proportion to conclude that the contents of the Qur'an are the same. And it does not say anything new. I would like to draw your attention to two points: First, it has stated in the Qur'an what it says that is and exists. But humans did not know. And they did not even realize it. Secondly, after 14 centuries, human beings do not know that there is such a thing in the Qur'an
Later, when Qur'anic scholars examined the verses, they found that the Qur'an had addressed these important scientific discoveries of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries, 14 centuries earlier. In fact, the Qur'an wants to say, O man, go to the pursuit of science and the discovery of the unknown. To progress.
Later, when Qur'anic scholars examined the verses, they found that the Qur'an had addressed these important scientific discoveries of the twentieth and twenty-first centuries, 14 centuries earlier. In fact, the Qur'an wants to say, O man, go after science and discover the unknown. To progress.
As I said, there are 950 verses about science in the Qur'an. And 44 verses are mentioned for contemplation and 17 verses for contemplation.

 

[Scorpion]

Muslims must believe:
-Unbelievers are cursed by God
-Unbelievers will be burned for eternity
-The human race began with Adam and Eve
-Jonah was swallowed by a big fish
-Noah built an ark
-Moses parted the red sea
-Ants can talk
-Donkeys can fly
-The stars are to throw at devils

 

[heydarian saeed]

People have been pointing out the problems with your argument for four weeks, over the last 15 pages. You have entirely failed to address any of the problems.

I have answered my friends' questions completely and with a document. Unfortunately, you either do not read the answers to my questions or comment fanatically. I am at your service.
You have not asked any questions about posts 418 and 367, which I have proved through existential philosophy through the method of deductive reasoning logic. Science and perception are not of the nature of matter and nature, and are supernatural. While my article has been about your challenge. You are just asking a lot of different questions that have nothing to do with the subject matter of my article. I know your purpose. And I'm waiting. I advise you to wait for me to tell you the final results. What you seek for the supernatural, you do not achieve with empirical science. Let me tell you how you can feel the supernatural. And grab it. wait.

 

[heydarian saeed]

No, you didn't.


Um, this seems a little contradictory.


Would you care to offer some evidence for this bold claim?


Oh, I guess not.


Just no

Dear friend, the supernatural is also clear from its name that it is not from nature and matter, so how can it be represented by matter ?! Matter is just a tool that shows the signs and symptoms of the supernatural, nothing more.
I have strong philosophical reasons for jinns and demons that are of the material kind. And they are not supernatural. Anyone who says these are supernatural and can communicate is lying. These are made of delicate material and can be seen with special tools and technology with material tools. I have no duty to discuss this here. But I know. I also advise you not to seek to discover this issue. Because you get hurt. I like you.

 

[heydarian saeed]

OK, I'll make allowances for English not being your first language, but that bit from your post is just a string of contradictions, misused terminology, non sequiturs and nonsensical assumptions, which make even less sense when put together in one place.

I have no compulsion or insistence on his father. You are free to follow your own path and your own arguments. Thank you and good luck.

 

[Scorpion]

No, you didn't.


Um, this seems a little contradictory.


Would you care to offer some evidence for this bold claim?


Oh, I guess not.


Just no

Dear friend, the supernatural is also clear from its name that it is not from nature and matter, so how can it be represented by matter ?! Matter is just a tool that shows the signs and symptoms of the supernatural, nothing more.
I have strong philosophical reasons for jinns and demons that are of the material kind. And they are not supernatural. Anyone who says these are supernatural and can communicate is lying. These are made of delicate material and can be seen with special tools and technology with material tools. I have no duty to discuss this here. But I know. I also advise you not to seek to discover this issue. Because you get hurt. I like you.

So you are telling us Jinn and Demons are real. Not only that but you can detect them with special tools. Why don't you do that then? because that would be proof you have yet to provide.

 

[heydarian saeed]

Not in my philosophy classes, there were a number of arguments, like the argument by design. which you appear to be using. But nothing was proved. Nor do I see any proof in your final conclusion. You had better try some of the other ways,

Hi dear friend. I have only one question. Did the universe come about by chance? Or can matter create the universe? Just tell me, how did the universe come into being? I know it started with a big, technical explosion. Where did the big bang come from? what were? He came himself ?!
Thank you for your answer.

 

[Darat]

So you are telling us Jinn and Demons are real. Not only that but you can detect them with special tools. Why don't you do that then? because that would be proof you have yet to provide.

Perhaps they are like your Karma Angels so aren't allowed to prove they exist?

 

[Scorpion]

Hi dear friend. I have only one question. Did the universe come about by chance? Or can matter create the universe? Just tell me, how did the universe come into being? I know it started with a big, technical explosion. Where did the big bang come from? what were? He came himself ?!
Thank you for your answer.

I happen to believe in a God created universe, and a spirit world surrounding it.

What I do not believe is that God said anything in the Quran.

The Quran is an evil book of lies about God. Muhammad was a bandit who created a religion to make people follow him and fight his battles.

 

[heydarian saeed]

What is the Beaufort Quran, is it different from other Quran's ? I did a google search and could not find it. As for 70% of the Quran being about nature, I though most of it was composed of stolen bible stories.

You either do not read my answers at all or you look at them superficially. The author and sender of all the holy books of religions is one person. It is God. The Qur'an is the last divine book that was written by Muhammad to be read to human beings. If you have several books and you repeat some of them in some of your books or make them more complete, have you committed plagiarism ?! The books are all yours. So you are allowed to repeat or complete the story and print it. Is it irrational ?!

 

[Warp12]

I happen to believe in a God created universe, and a spirit world surrounding it.

What I do not believe is that God said anything in the Quran.

Where, exactly, do you believe that "God" said something?