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Upchurch said:
When did I do that? When I apologized for making an assumption?
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...that it was my fault in the end, yes.

Upchurch said:
Oh? If you have considered my points, why do you disagree with the political reasons for the adding of the "God" phrases?
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I don't disagree that there were political reasons, I am saying that the reasons weren't all political: They feared the god-less Reds, so they put a religious reference in.

Upchurch said:
Why do you not answer my question about joking not being the only non-literal rhetorical device?
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I did:

CFLarsen said:
I haven't said anything to that effect.
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Which, of course, you disagreed with. That you disagree with me is not the same as me not answering the question.

Upchurch said:
What supernatural being?
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Any supernatural being.

Upchurch said:
A direct reference to an ambiguously defined "supernatural being"? Still not sure what you're talking about, but do you understand the context under which these decisions were made, especially given the atmosphere of the time?
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Yes, I do.

Upchurch said:
Finish the statement: "...for political reasons."
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Not merely for political reasons. Politics is people, and people were very worried about the godless Commie Bastards. They didn't put in "capitalist", did they? They didn't put in "freedom", did they?

Upchurch said:
It was still wrong, but it was not for the purpose of adding "God" to the US government.
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That's where we disagree.

Upchurch said:
A reply is not necessarily an answer.
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Indeed. I have, however, answered your question.
 
Grammatron said:
So any believe in something that can not be explained is religious?
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Answer my question first:

Is it having a religion to believe that the Universe is too perfect to be a random thing and was created by supernatural being or beings?
 
CFLarsen said:
Answer my question first:

Is it having a religion to believe that the Universe is too perfect to be a random thing and was created by supernatural being or beings?
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Strictly based on that no.

Now please answer mine.

PS: And happy new year to you.
 
CFLarsen said:
...that it was my fault in the end, yes.
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I do find it interesting that I was (freely admited) wrong to make assumptions about what you had said, but then your immediate response is to make assumptions about what I have said. You are very selective about when you are and are not able to read between the lines, correctly or not.
 
Grammatron said:
Well, then, what does make a belief religious?
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You already gave the answer:

Grammatron said:
Let's say I believe that the Universe is too perfect to be a random thing and was created by supernatural being or beings.
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That's the key: Religions basically tells the story of how the world came about. The Creation Myths, if you like.

Then, of course, there are the moral rules: Thou shall not kill, behave and go to heaven (or the appropriate reward), don't behave and go to hell (or similar).

You can be religious without referring to a specific religion. You can say "Hmmm....I believe there is something out there....but I don't know what it is. I can't fit it in with the existing religions, though."
 
CFLarsen said:
You already gave the answer:



That's the key: Religions basically tells the story of how the world came about. The Creation Myths, if you like.
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So if I believe there's a god out there somewhere with supernatural abilities that we can pray to and he might answer our prayers but he had nothing to do with how this universe or even world was created then it's not religious?
You can be religious without referring to a specific religion. You can say "Hmmm....I believe there is something out there....but I don't know what it is. I can't fit it in with the existing religions, though."
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So a belief in UFOs is also religious?
 
Grammatron said:
So if I believe there's a god out there somewhere with supernatural abilities that we can pray to and he might answer our prayers but he had nothing to do with how this universe or even world was created then it's not religious?
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How would you know he had supernatural abilities if he hasn't done anything? Abilities imply action - at least at some point. ;)

Grammatron said:
So a belief in UFOs is also religious?
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There are certainly aspects in UFOlogy that can be viewed as religious. E.g., the coming of the Aliens to save us from the bad life here on Earth.
 
CFLarsen said:
How would you know he had supernatural abilities if he hasn't done anything? Abilities imply action - at least at some point. ;)
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Well I prayed something and it happend and I interpreted it thusly. Is it not religious because that god did not create the cosmos?
There are certainly aspects in UFOlogy that can be viewed as religious. E.g., the coming of the Aliens to save us from the bad life here on Earth.
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That does not answer either of my questions.
 
CFLarsen said:
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You can be religious without referring to a specific religion. You can say "Hmmm....I believe there is something out there....but I don't know what it is. I can't fit it in with the existing religions, though."
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Then it is an unnamed and possibly new religion.

Walt
 
As far as I know of $cientology, the Xenu overlord overpopulation story is the earliest in the religion. The universe already is in that story and no mention of a beginning.
 
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