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Windows 11

Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I’d say that the conclusion there should be that you shouldn’t need an account to use an expresso machine. I’d also point out that an expresso machine isn’t a data-harvester.
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It was the newest non-computer/phone/tablet gadget I could think of that required an account to be created. You can access it and use it via an app once you have created an account.

If you don't want what you term a "data-harvester." then the simple solution is don't use MS products nor Google nor Apple nor pretty much any mainstream "computerised" devices.
 
Darat said:
It was the newest non-computer/phone/tablet gadget I could think of that required an account to be created.
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And the point is that just because it's normal to have to create accounts doesn't mean that it's desirable.

If you don't want what you term a "data-harvester." then the simple solution is don't use MS products nor Google nor Apple nor pretty much any mainstream "computerised" devices.
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I mean, I don't really use google services, and when I do I do so with all sorts of script blockers and the like to avoid as much of the tracking as is feasible.

Apple is far from perfect, but it's much better than Microsoft when it comes to either anonymising data or keeping it on-device, and it also collects less.

I accept that in the modern age it is impossible to go without people getting your data unless you're going to go down a rabbit hole of specialised devices with much less functionality. But that doesn't mean that you should just throw your hands up in the air and just accept everything and anything.
 
Stuff in my house that would LIKE to get onto the Wi-Fi:
Fridge
HVAC
Water softener
Generator
Septic system
TV*
Who knows what they could do with W11?

*That's in reference to Samsung Smart TV, which I've not enabled. But the cable system also provides the internet, so they've got their hooks into it.

ETA: Garage door openers. Because I need to be able to open the doors from my phone, instead of just using the remote on the visor.
 
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Darat said:
I am at a loss about this vehemence about not having an MS account. I have to have an account to register my expresso machine if I want the extended warranty.

There is a very simple solution for people not wanting an MS account - don't use MS software or hardware!
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Squeegee Beckenheim said:
I’d say that the conclusion there should be that you shouldn’t need an account to use an expresso machine. I’d also point out that an expresso machine isn’t a data-harvester.
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You're totally making this up! For one thing there is no such thing as an "expresso machine"! :jaw-dropp
 
I'm going to create an "Expresso" brand and sell coffee makers, just to confuse people.
 
mgidm86 said:
There are certain things I can't do on 7, like easily edit high speed video in Premiere. I use 10 at work and I have it setup to look like 7. It'll be fine. I think 7 was the best though. Maybe I'll run both.

I skipped Vista and 8.
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I'm still on 7, but probably not for much longer. I've had a couple of instances of software refusing to install on 7. Nothing that I critically needed, but that may happen in the near future. I would agree that 7 was the best version of Windows so far (with XP being a close second). Then again, I found the transition from XP to 7 to be entirely painless. They worked so much alike, aside from the names of a few things being changed, that I had almost no learning curve when switching from XP to 7 (I skipped Vista and 8 too). Transitioning to 10 wasn't too much worse, once I switched 10 to Desktop mode. But with software and device drivers stating to refuse to install or update on 7, it's becoming apparent that 7 is starting to outlive its usefulness. The only question is, should I go to 10, or wait for 11 and go straight to 11?
 
Darat said:
It was the newest non-computer/phone/tablet gadget I could think of that required an account to be created. You can access it and use it via an app once you have created an account.

If you don't want what you term a "data-harvester." then the simple solution is don't use MS products nor Google nor Apple nor pretty much any mainstream "computerised" devices.
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Yeah. Privacy no longer exists, if you want to use any kind of computer (and "computer" as I'm using it, includes smartphones and tablets, and, probably "smart" espresso machines). I don't like it, but I can only take some small comfort in the fact that anybody who is monitoring my activity is at serious risk of being bored to death.
 
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rjh01 said:
Make sure that your computer has Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0, which came out in October 2014. That was only a few years ago.
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MS likes to waffle, though.

What Is a TPM, and Why Do I Need One for Windows 11? [pcmag.com]
However, Microsoft has quietly noted that Windows 11 will run on PCs that have TPMs older than version 2.0 in certain situations. The company's support documents indicate that TPM 2.0 is more of a “soft floor” requirement, and that PCs with TPM 1.2 will also be able to run Windows 11. But “devices that meet the soft floor will receive a notification that upgrade is not advised,” Microsoft warns.
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rjh01 said:
Make sure that your computer has Trusted Platform Module (TPM) version 2.0, which came out in October 2014. That was only a few years ago.

Edit. Plus a supported CPU. These are listed here
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/wi...supported/windows-11-supported-amd-processors
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/wi...pported/windows-11-supported-intel-processors
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/wi...rted/windows-11-supported-qualcomm-processors
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Huh, doesn't include my AMD FX-6300 (released ca. 2012) - which has otherwise aged very well. Seems there will be a lot of existing systems that won't be able to upgrade. Motherboard has a TPM header of some flavour, although - leaving aside the CPU issue - I'm not at all enamoured of the idea of needing to buy extra hardware just to upgrade.

Having said that, at some point Microsoft needs to start dropping support for very old hardware; it doesn't help the product development and stability by keeping in support for it. No matter where they draw that line, there's going to be people unhappy about it.
 
Hey, that's the same as mine. I've never gone so long without feeling a need to upgrade.
 
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