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Merged General Holocaust denial discussion Part IV

Warp12 said:
For being such a "joke", people sure did take him seriously...and they found him to be a very persuasive speaker, as well.
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Then why did he never break 40% even in elections he directly controlled?
 
Hans said:
You might also ask him why he loves Nazis and Hitler in particular. What was so great about them Saggy? You do know that he is directly responsible for killing over six million Germans?
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To that I'd like to ask Saggy: why do you have such a hardon for this failed ideology that was absolutely crushed, repudiated and destroyed? Why do you idolise those losers?
 
One of the remarkable things about the holohoax is that the Jewish 'testimony' is egregiously and gratuitously preposterous. The Jews revel in telling prima facie absurd lies and watching the goyim lap them up.

Of the many examples Elie Wiesel's 'Night' is the best .... from the book ... page 6 !

Babies were thrown in the air and the machine gunners used them as targets.

and later ...

Poor devils, you are heading for the crematorium.

He seemed to be telling the truth. Not far from us, flames, huge flames, were rising from a ditch. Something was being burned there. A truck drew close and unloaded its hold: small children. Babies! Yes, I did see this, with my own e y e s…children thrown into the flames. (Is it any wonder that ever since then, sleep tends to elude me?)

So that was where we were going. A little farther on, there was another, larger pit for adults.

“Father,” I said. “If that is true, then I don’t want to wait. I’ll run into the electrified barbed wire. That would be easier than a slow death in the flames

We continued our march. We were coming closer and closer tothe pit, from which an infernal heat was rising. Twenty more steps.

No. Two steps from the pit, we were ordered to turn left and herded into barracks.

I squeezed my father’s hand. He said: “Do you remember Mrs. Schächter, in the train?

For these preposterous lies Wiesel was awarded a Nobel prize and made the first director of the US Holohoax Memorial Museum.

We are teaching these prima facie preposterous lies as fact in our schools - my kid narrowly avoided it (by taking AP English) in the 10th grade.

There is not one prominent Jew in the entire world who will denounce this degenerate and criminal practice. If one would, we could stop it.

As for Hitler - I'm a big fan up till the Ribbentrop pact - where he made a deal with the devil and dealt western civ a hopefully not fatal blow. I'm just reading 'Hitler's Revolution', extraordinary book.
 
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Saggy, please answer the questions above and stop pasting walls of irrelevant copy pasta (which I believe is in contravention of forum rules).
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Then why did he never break 40% even in elections he directly controlled?
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Well Hitler did break 40% in the election of March 1933.He got 43-44% of the vote. I would not describe the election has fair or very free under the circumstances. Afterwards there was various referendums in which Hitler got more well over 50% of the vote, but of course such elections in an authoritarian system mean very little.

As for if Hitler was an effective orator? Well I would say he was one. For example during his career before he became Chancellor and was the Nazi leader he charged people for attending the meeting where he gave a speech, usually very long. He had no trouble packing venues. This continued until he became Chancellor.

A problem with your point is that Weimar Germany had a huge assortment of political parties. There was usually at any one time in the Reichstag at least 10 different parties represented. People had lots of choice and this tended to split the vote to put it mildly. Also do I have to point out that in our current first past the post system we get frequently in Western Democracies parties elected to power with a minority of the vote due to vote splitting among different parties. (Weimar's system was largely proportional representation.) I live in Canada a parties get into office rather frequently with less tan 40% of the vote. So I would not suggest that because Hitler didn't get more than 40% of the vote in truly free elections to be an indication that he was not an effective orator. Unless you want to characterize every leader of a political party that gets less than 40% of the vote has a poor orator.

If Weimar Germany had had a first past the post system Hitler would likely have become chancellor in 1932.

During much of Hitler's earlier political career he and his movement were regarded has a joke and Hitler not taken seriously, although I should point out virtually no one in Germany regarded Hitler has a bad orator at the time. (Especially the crowds that paid to hear him speak.) In 1928 the Nazis got under 3% of the vote. In 1930 that increased to 18% and then in 1932 to 37% then declined to 33%. Compared to all the other parties in Weimar Germany the Nazis did better than any of them during the last three truly free elections than did any other party during the entire Weimar period. At the time many attributed some of that to Hitler's skill has an orator which at the time virtually no one denied.

Today a lot of Hitler's mannerisms and behavior during his speeches to say nothing of the subject matter seem often over the top, silly or just terrible yet at the time it was very effective. Hitler himself wrote / composed virtually all of his speeches, unlike the great majority of todays western politicians, he also rehearsed at great length his gestures, his tone of voice etc., all to produce the maximum emotional impact on his audience and bluntly it worked. I will leave with a quote from ex-Nazi Otto Strasser

Hitler responds to the vibration of the human heart with the delicacy of a seismograph, or perhaps of a wireless receiving set, enabling him, with a certainty with which no conscious gift could endow him, to act as a loudspeaker proclaiming the most secret desires, the least admissible instincts, the suffering, and personal revolts of a whole nation…I have been asked many times what is the secret of Hitler’s extraordinary power as a speaker. I can only attribute it to his uncanny intuition, which infallibly diagnoses the ills from which his audience is suffering.

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Adolf Hitler enters a hall, he sniffs the air. For a minute he gropes, feels his way, senses the atmosphere. Suddenly he bursts forth. His words go like an arrow to their target, he touches each private wound on the raw, liberating the mass unconscious, expressing its innermost aspirations, telling it what it most wants to hear.
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From Bullock, Alan, Hitler a Study in Tyranny, Revised Edition, Harper & Row, New York, 1964, pp. 368-369.
 
Saggy said:
One of the remarkable things about the holohoax
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Nope. Stop right there. I will not engage you further until you answer the list of questions and points I've given you in post #798. Be a man and answer those.

The Jews revel in telling prima facie absurd lies and watching the goyim lap them up.
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Well that answers one. You're also an anti-semite, and there is zero surprise there.
 
Belz... said:
Nope. Stop right there. I will not engage you further until you answer the list of questions and points I've given you in post #798. Be a man and answer those.



Well that answers one. You're also an anti-semite, and there is zero surprise there.
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I think you will find that only white folks of a certain weird & unsavory political affiliation will be his friends. That Hitler caused the deaths of over 8% of the population of 'Germans' he seems to ignore....
 
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Pacal said:
Today a lot of Hitler's mannerisms and behavior during his speeches to say nothing of the subject matter seem often over the top, silly or just terrible
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I would certainly dispute that .... the remarkable thing to me is that his speeches ring true today. In any case, the reader can judge for himself .... I note that the Jews, i.e. the ADL, have cleansed YouTube of Hitler's speeches, but fortunately you can still find a few on bitchute ....

Hitler's warning on democracy
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Hitler addresses the Siemens factory workers in 1933
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Hitler mocks Roosevelt
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On April 14, 1939, President Roosevelt addressed a telegram to Hitler (see below). Hitler responded in a speech to the Reichtag, the first part of his response is shown in the video. See other important excerpts from the speech below.

Roosevelt's telegram: "Are you willing to give assurance that your armed forces will not attack or invade the territory of possessions of the following independent nations: Finland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium, Great Britain and Ireland, ..., Russia, Bulgaria, Greece, Turkey, Iraq, The Arabias, Syria, Palestine, Egypt, and Iran."

Hitler replied to Roosevelt as part of a lengthy speech to the Reichtag on April 28, transcript at http://comicism.tripod.com/390428.html, that included the following:

"In reply to this it must be said in the first place that this fear of war has undoubtedly existed among mankind from time immemorial, and justifiably so.

For instance, after the Peace Treaty of Versailles, 14 wars were waged between 1919 and 1938 alone, in none of which Germany was concerned, but in which states of the "Western Hemisphere" in whose name President Roosevelt also speaks, were certainly concerned.

In addition there were in the same period 26 violent interventions and sanctions carried through by means of bloodshed and force. Germany played no part whatever in these either.

The United States alone has carried out military interventions in six cases since 1918. Since 1918 Soviet Russia has engaged in 10 wars and military actions involving force and bloodshed. Again, Germany was concerned in none of these, nor was she. responsible for any of these.

It would therefore be a mistake in my eyes to assume that the fear of war inspiring European and non-European nations can at this present time be directly traced back to actual wars at all."

From the speech:

"If the cry of "Never another, Munich" is raised in the world today, this simply confirms the fact that the peaceful solution of the problem appeared to be the most awkward thing that ever happened in the eyes of those warmongers. They are sorry no blood was shed-not their 'blood, to be sure-for these agitators are, of course, never to be found where shots are being fired, but only where money is being made. No, it is the blood of many nameless soldiers!

Hitler publicized his offer to Poland in the same speech:
I have had the following proposal submitted to the Polish Government:-
(1) Danzig returns as a Free State into the framework of the German Reich.
(2) Germany receives a route through the Corridor and a railway line at her own disposal possessing the same extraterritorial status for Germany as the Corridor itself has for Poland.
In return, Germany is prepared:-
(1) To recognize all Polish economic rights in Danzig.
(2) To ensure for Poland a free harbour in Danzig of any size desired which would have completely free access to the sea.
(3) To accept at the same time the present boundaries between Germany and Poland and to regard them as ultimate.
(4) To conclude a twenty-five-year non-aggression treaty with Poland, a treaty therefore which would extend far beyond the duration of my own life.
(5) To guarantee the independence of the Slovak State by Germany, Poland and Hungary jointly-which means in practice the renunciation of any unilateral German hegemony in this territory.

The Polish Government have rejected my offer and have only declared that they are prepared (1) to negotiate concerning the question of a substitute for the Commissioner of the League of Nations and (2) to consider facilities for the transit traffic through the Corridor."

Also:
"But I must also draw Mr. Roosevelt's attention to one or two mistakes in history. He mentions Ireland, for instance, and asks for a statement to the effect that Germany will not attack Ireland. Now, I have just read a speech delivered by Mr. de Valera, the Irish Taoiseach (Prime Minister), in which strangely enough, and contrary to Mr. Roosevelt's opinion, he does not charge Germany with oppressing Ireland, but reproaches England with subjecting Ireland to continuous aggression.

With all due respect to Mr. Roosevelt's insight into the needs and cares of other countries, it may nevertheless be assumed that the Irish Taoiseach would be more familiar with the dangers which threaten his country than would the President of the United States.

Similarly the fact has obviously escaped Mr. Roosevelt's notice that Palestine is at present occupied not by German troops but by the English; and that the country is undergoing restriction of its liberty by the most brutal resort to force, is being robbed of its independence and is suffering the cruelest maltreatment for the benefit of Jewish interlopers. The Arabs living in that country would therefore certainly not have complained to Mr. Roosevelt of German aggression, but they are voicing a con ...
 
Hans said:
You might also ask him why he loves Nazis and Hitler in particular. What was so great about them Saggy? You do know that he is directly responsible for killing over six million Germans?
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They had quite smart uniforms.
 
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Saggy said:
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deleted as being of no interest. Why was the future murderer of 8% of the German population who annexed Czechoslovakia in March of 1939 talking about being a peaceful guy?

Hitler totally ignored the agreements of the Munich Agreement and scheduled a German invasion of Bohemia and Moravia for the morning of 15 March which he then did?

How is that being peaceful.

Explain Saggy - or run away like you always do...lol
 
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You can't be Nazi and then claim the S.S. failed. You know who says the S.S. killed 10 million people in their death camps?

The S.S.

Get with the Reich or find another extremist group to shill for.
 
TheSupermeerkat said:
Saggy, what are your thoughts on this?
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The idiot filmmaker is living in Austria with Russian missiles pointed right at him and on high alert, but he is completely oblivious to that.

And of course we have our missiles pointed right at the Russians.

And, just for the hell of it, we've been bombing the ME continuously for 30 years (40,000 bombs in 2017).

He and the rest of us are oblivious to all that. And, if we weren't oblivious we might be able to do something about it.

He is obsessed with a preposterous fantasy the Jews created in WW II (they also tried it in WW I - see Holohoax 101 - Introduction to the Holohoax) which even if it were true wouldn't amount to 1/10000 of the evil of the doomsday machine that we're living with right now.

And, who created the doomsday machine? I'll help you out, all of us, you supported the govt. that created it, along with the Soviets, your taxes paid for it, I worked on it.

The human race is unbelievably, almost magically, intelligent and creative, but it's also stupid and destructive. We'll be lucky if we don't destroy everything in the next 10 years.

This begs the question - why this obsession with the holohoax? What is the purpose? Here is the irony - this idiot, Ruzowitzky, is focusing on the imaginary evil of the holohoax to justify the real evil of the constant bombing of the ME, for the purpose of creating the greater Israel. This is the 2nd time the Jews have invaded Palestine, here's what they have to say about it ...
Deuteronomy 20:
16 As for the towns of these peoples that the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, you must not let anything that breathes remain alive. 17 You shall annihilate them — the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites — just as the LORD your God has commanded,
 
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More incoherent ranting from Saggy. He can't be engaged with on a reasonable level and just wants to shout about nazis and Jews.
 
Holocaust denial doesn't bother me as much as it's criminalization by some countries does.

My largest question about the accuracy of holocaust data, would be in the total numbers. Maybe it is just because it is hard to comprehend the logistics involved with even the 1.1 million estimated deaths at Auschwitz, alone. I am not disputing the numbers given, I just find them so staggering.
 
Hans said:
deleted as being of no interest. Why was the future murderer of 8% of the German population who annexed Czechoslovakia in March of 1939 talking about being a peaceful guy?

Hitler totally ignored the agreements of the Munich Agreement and scheduled a German invasion of Bohemia and Moravia for the morning of 15 March which he then did?

How is that being peaceful.

Explain Saggy - or run away like you always do...lol
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Don't forget he broke his pact with Russia too.
 
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