Today's Mass Shooting

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Cain said:
So... what's driving it and what's the solution?
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I don't know what's driving it but I'm pretty certain ignoring the very large problem while focusing on the relatively smaller problem is not the solution.
 
Bogative said:
Baltimore – 1 dead, 5 injured.


Chicago – 5 Injured


But Freddie Gray
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Have to concede a point when I see it. If Baltimore PD killed more people by handcuffing them and bouncing them around unsecured in the back of a police vehicle, there would be less people around to get murdered in black on black crime. Gray could have made 6 injured in that shooting if BPD hadn't already broken his neck.
 
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Bogative said:
Before BLM scrubbed their website of some of their radical beliefs, they were explicit about their point. One was too abolish law enforcement, another was to abolish prisons.

Nothing was mentioned about reducing black-on-black homicides.

Apparently, not all black lives matter.
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That's a pretty disgusting argument to make. As if focusing on police brutality means they're ok with black people dying otherwise.
 
Bogative said:
I don't know what's driving it but I'm pretty certain ignoring the very large problem while focusing on the relatively smaller problem is not the solution.
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You know what's an even bigger problem than Black homicide? Homicide in the United States. It has been a while since I've reviewed the statistics, but white-on-white violence is significantly higher in the US than Europe. Much of that violence comes from the South, where most Blacks trace their American origins (due to slavery, or whatever). One deeply, deeply counter-intuitive way of dealing with America's unusually high rate of murder involves regulating are unusually high rate of gun ownership...

mgidm86 said:
The answer is elementary. Less guns equals less gun fatalities.
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I agree with a lot of this. It's doable and will save lives. The problem is that the political costs outweigh the material benefits. I mean, the same could be said for stricter regulation of alcohol. There are so many other things to fight for -- like popular elections and health-care.
 
Cain said:
You know what's an even bigger problem than Black homicide? Homicide in the United States. It has been a while since I've reviewed the statistics, but white-on-white violence is significantly higher in the US than Europe. Much of that violence comes from the South, where most Blacks trace their American origins (due to slavery, or whatever). One deeply, deeply counter-intuitive way of dealing with America's unusually high rate of murder involves regulating are unusually high rate of gun ownership...
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- "It's not the guns. It's the culture."
- "Yeah, the gun culture."
 
Belz... said:
There you have it, folks. The fact that Bogative can find instances of non-white-supremacy crimes means there is no domestic terrorist threat from white supremacists.
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Yeah, I'm going to need a quote for that.

I'll save you time looking for one. I have never said that.

I have said that the 330 deaths at the hands of white supremacist over the last decade are minuscule compared to mass shootings. That number will be passed by the end of summer for this year alone.

I'm happy I could clear that up for you.
 
Belz... said:
- "It's not the guns. It's the culture."
- "Yeah, the gun culture."
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I certainly suspect gun culture reinforces honor culture.

"Stand your ground laws," "Make my day laws." It's a lot of ********. I remember years ago, some right-wingers were shaking their heads at the idea of panic rooms. "I'm going to defend my house, not retreat within it."

I'd expect with gun control, we'd still see elevated levels of violence in the South and in Black communities, but fists and knives are generally less lethal than guns, and result in fewer bystanders injured or killed.
 
Belz... said:
That's a pretty disgusting argument to make. As if focusing on police brutality means they're ok with black people dying otherwise.
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Didn't you know that when you complain about a problem you're being inherently cavalier about other problems?

It's another well-known, proven American fact that joining an organized protest literally means you don't care about anything else.
 
Phoenix man who engaged in alleged "shooting spree" was actually just repeatedly defending himself

Police are trying to accuse this man of having committed a "crime", but in police interviews he made it clear that the one person left and dead and twelve others left injured across the Phoenix area this past Thursday were all aggressors who attacked or credibly threatened him with imminent serious bodily harm first, and he was merely defending himself as God, the Constitution, and God require any law-abiding American to do.

The Phoenix Police Department confirmed to ABC News that Tricarico was involved in a shooting on May 5 at a restaurant where he was working as a licensed armed security guard.

In a statement, the department said Tricarico "was asked to deal with a male customer who was reportedly intoxicated and causing a disturbance."

The customer allegedly charged Tricarico after he went outside to call 911. Tricarico then allegedly fired one shot at the man, striking him and causing a non-life-threatening injury, police said. The aggravated assault case is still under investigation, and Tricarico allegedly told police he shot in self-defense, the department said.

During the interview with detectives after his arrest, Tricarico allegedly admitted to committing some of Thursday's shootings and claimed he was shot at or had a gun pointed at him during them.

Tricarico told police that an "unknown male" pointed a gun at the suspect at a car wash Thursday morning, after which Tricarico then allegedly bought ammunition for his AR-15-style rifle, according to the court documents.

To start the spree, the suspect allegedly stared down a person outside a Circle K convenience store and then exchanged words with him before following him in his car and shooting at the victim, according to the documents.

He allegedly told police that in one of the shooting incidents, a pedestrian shot at him "so he shot back," and in a second incident, a man in a car pointed a handgun at him "so he shot back at him."

Tricarico requested an attorney "when told he had killed a man" and the interview ended, the court documents stated.
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Juneteenth weekend mass shootings start where Kyren Walton, 25, and Ladarius Alexander, 20, died from gunshot wounds and four others were taken to the hospital and are expected to survive after a fight outside da club turned into gunplay.

Some other interesting bits from the article:
Two years ago, while operating under a different name, it was the scene of a shooting that wounded seven.
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Two shootings in two years, maybe the FBI should look out for DVE activity, could be the Proud Boys.


"My neighbor and I both heard the shots last time there was a shooting at that bar," said the person, who asked to withhold their name for safety's sake. "I wish they would just bulldoze it."
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Never mind the Proud Boys comment, this incident appears to involve the "snitches get stitches" crowd.
 
Belz... said:
That's a pretty disgusting argument to make. As if focusing on police brutality means they're ok with black people dying otherwise.
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I've long since abandoned any idea of getting honest debate here. Its just become a thread for certain posters to indulge in their racist black-bashing.
 
Minneapolis, Minnesota – 5 people shot, all bystanders, during a targeted attack on a sidewalk near the University of Minnesota.

Anchorage, Alaska – 1 killed, 5 injured during a parking lot confrontation.

Newark, New Jersey – 4 injured during a gathering near a park.

Oakland, California – 1 killed, 6 injured near the city's Juneteenth celebration.

Granger, Indiana – 1 killed, 4 injured at the Juneteenth Summer Bash.

Dallas, Texas – 8 injured, including a 10-year-old and a 15-year-old. An urban specialist community coordinator said, "here we go again" because children keep getting caught in the crossfire.

Aurora, Colorado – 1 killed, 4 injured near a Juneteenth celebration. 114+ rounds fired.

Richmond, Virginia – 4 injured during a large gathering in a parking lot.
 
1 dead, 3 wounded to close out the Juneteenth weekend in Cincinnati, Ohio.


11 total mass shootings with 8 killed, 49 wounded.

Or

15 total mass shootings with 11 killed, 62 wounded if you're feeling festive and want to include the Thursday celebrations of a new holiday.

Not a single one committed by a Domestic Violent Extremist.
 
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