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The guy who also called for a boycott of the NFL, and then hosted a Super Bowl party (though he stood solemnly still during the national anthem; it's not like he turned into a six-year-old pretending to play maestro to the band). I'm certain he'll stop drinking Diet Coke full-stop.

Anyway, this is a case of cancel culture I can support (the activists/decent people who support voting rights, not the forces of evil vying to secure non-democratic hegemony). The right to vote is not metaphysically complicated (like gender dysphoria). The players involve Fortune 500 companies run by generally privileged, generally high-IQ people. The response here is reasonable rather than disproportionate.

While it might not seem "fair" to go after these companies, it's also not fair that these corporations play an outsized role in political discourse. If legislators will not respond to citizens, then citizens pressuring elites to affect legislators is reasonable and justified. Companies that cannot tell if they'll lose more money by alienating progressives or conservatives can take solace in doing the right thing.

Problem is, people are just discussing whether or not to boycott Georgia - will it harm the state more than the black people who live there, what's the actual boycott plan going to look like in terms of demands, actions, and resolution, and so forth. The only people howling about being "cancelled" are those same right wingers who whined about how "they" were" cancelling" MR. Potatohead, Dr. Seuss, Paw Patrol, and the like.

Or really, making up stories so they could whine about how "the left/BLMAntifa/trannies" are "destroying America!" No different than the time they threw a fit because a black rep said the joke "amen and awomen", or their current howling about how Rev. Warnock's Easter tweet.

(Again, the major time protestors used the word "cancel" was when black women were literally pushing to get Bill Cosby's comedy tour cancelled - and that was mostly because it was around the time he was on trial for being a serial rapist)
 
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You might want to actually read your link. Or is the BBC (as discussed in the criticism of the concept section) an individual now?

Or from the "American Public Opinion" section: ...cancel culture, defined as "the practice of withdrawing support for (or canceling) public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive,"
 
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You might want to actually read your link. Or is the BBC (as discussed in the criticism of the concept section) an individual now?

Or from the "American Public Opinion" section: ...cancel culture, defined as "the practice of withdrawing support for (or canceling) public figures and companies after they have done or said something considered objectionable or offensive,"

I did read it, there's one poll. So what ?

Just call a refusal to buy products and services from a company what it's always been called, a boycott. I'm really not understanding this need to be lead around on a leash by the right wing media to expand the definition of cancel culture to whatever they want you to think it is. Maybe it's time to turn off Fox News.
 
I did read it, there's one poll. So what ?

Just call a refusal to buy products and services from a company what it's always been called, a boycott. I'm really not understanding this need to be lead around on a leash by the right wing media to expand the definition of cancel culture to whatever they want you to think it is. Maybe it's time to turn off Fox News.

Because Right Wing Media are the ones who are insisting that boycotts _by the left_ are examples of cancel culture gone mad.
 
I did read it, there's one poll. So what ?

Just call a refusal to buy products and services from a company what it's always been called, a boycott. I'm really not understanding this need to be lead around on a leash by the right wing media to expand the definition of cancel culture to whatever they want you to think it is. Maybe it's time to turn off Fox News.

Er, i gave 2 examples in my post, not "one poll". And I hate to break it to you, but when Govs Cuomo and Kemp are all over every news channel crying about cancel culture, it's not only found in right wing media.
 
Right wing media is aggressively using the term cancel culture to include boycotts of companies, amongst other things. It’s not about being lead around on a leash, it’s about popular use of the term. And if you don’t want to talk about right wing media’s use of the term, you’re ignoring most of the commentary on the topic. they’re the ones not only primarily complaining about cancel culture and how damaging it is to discourse, but really primarily talking about it at all. Which makes it especially interesting when they hypocritically call for boycotts and cancellations of individuals for political purposes.
 
Right wing media is aggressively using the term cancel culture to include boycotts of companies, amongst other things. It’s not about being lead around on a leash, it’s about popular use of the term. And if you don’t want to talk about right wing media’s use of the term, you’re ignoring most of the commentary on the topic. they’re the ones not only primarily complaining about cancel culture and how damaging it is to discourse, but really primarily talking about it at all. Which makes it especially interesting when they hypocritically call for boycotts and cancellations of individuals for political purposes.

Yes, the right wing media's misuse of the term has been pointed out repeatedly and given that there's been a lot of time spent trying to define the term based on that misuse it's becoming apparent that the goal is to try and deny that "cancel culture" even exists.

I've just found cancel culture discussed on several left leaning sites ( Vox, CNN, BBC ) so if the goal is to try and deny it exists, or write it off as some sort of right wing sneer term then we're faced with the same sort of wishing it away that climate change deniers like to use. Even Barack Obama has tossed in his two cents.

It's really only most of the commentary if you're paying an awful lot of attention to right wing media sources.

I've already agreed that cancellations/boycotts are something both the left and right participate in and the whole trying to twist the term out of existence by following the right wing media's lead is counter productive, to say the least.

If we look back and bring up names like Amy Cooper, Bonita Tindle, Adeira Richards ( all of whom have had extensive threads on them in this forum ) and examine their relationships to cancel culture might we find they're "victims" of cancel culture or cancellations that have backfired ? Did they deserve their eventual fates , were they treated fairly, are they still being treated fairly ?
 
I find the way walmart cancels me by refusing to stock my line of monster themed sex toys totally unacceptable, they are clearly morally required to stock my products or engage in cancel culture.
 
I find the way walmart cancels me by refusing to stock my line of monster themed sex toys totally unacceptable, they are clearly morally required to stock my products or engage in cancel culture.

Monster, like a creature, or Monster, like the energy drink brand?

Either way, I support your principled stand.
 
His wife left him, took the kids and headed back home to China, so, yes I guess.


Yes you are


Its not always about that.

For me, it is about NOT supporting someone who is reprehensible, or has acted reprehensibly, and not wishing to associate my brand with his.

However, I know his bottom line suffered to the tune of $500 - $1000 per month from me alone, and there were several other retailers who did what I did.

Thanks for the info on the impact of your actions.

That information - the impact of your decision - is exactly why my response was not snarky. I realized that it could be read as snarky and condescending, but that wasn't my intent... which is why I added additional clarification about what I was interested in.

But hey - thanks for telling me what I really think, it's awfully nice to be able to have a stranger who dislikes me have such incredible ESP!

See - THAT was snark ;)
 
"Women are adult human females" isn't nearly a controversial viewpoint as ones that are still allowed on Reddit and I don't believe this is an administrative oversite

No kidding. Adult human females considering themselves to be women, and considering adult human males to not be women is a horrible, unforgiveable transgression that Reddit can only counter with permabanning.

Advocates of physically assaulting and raping "TERFs" are no big deal. As are the various rape-focused subs on there. Those aren't a problem at all. Nope, it's those damned uppity chicks that don't know their place - that's the *real* problem...
 
I don't even know what's going on but there's plenty of deranged behavior on reddit

It's a fully adult moderator of a sub that provides support to trans teens (including many under 18)... who is suggesting that a minor come to their house in person so that the minor can give the teen injections of estrogen and provide them with spironolactone to slow facial hair growth.

Hey little kid, come over to my house, and I'll illegally give you prescription drugs!
 
I did read it, there's one poll. So what ?

Just call a refusal to buy products and services from a company what it's always been called, a boycott. I'm really not understanding this need to be lead around on a leash by the right wing media to expand the definition of cancel culture to whatever they want you to think it is. Maybe it's time to turn off Fox News.

Cancel culture is partly about using the threat of boycott as a tool to remove an undesirable person from society.

"I don't buy from Amazon because I don't like some of their policies or practicies", is a straightforward boycott.

"I won't buy from Amazon until they fire Problematic Joe, and also his Twitter and Facebook accounts need to be shut down, and obviously nobody else should hire him either", is cancel culture in a nutshell.
 
What I find very strange about this thread is the politicization of it.

Let's broadly divide the thread into two groups: "anti-cancel-culture" (ACC) and "pro-choice-cancellationist" (PCC).

The ACC side of the argument are generally opposed to a behavior. The PCC side of the argument seems to be opposed to a political perspective. The ACC side has provided scenarios that they consider to be "cancel culture", which have included actors that exist on both liberal and conservative ends of the political spectrum. The PCC side keeps blaming everything on "the right wing".

Is it at all possible for people to just set aside their partisan hatreds and focus on whether or not there's a clear "red end" and "blue end" of the spectrum, even if we all know there's a large orange-yellow-green area in between?
 
What I find very strange about this thread is the politicization of it.

Let's broadly divide the thread into two groups: "anti-cancel-culture" (ACC) and "pro-choice-cancellationist" (PCC).

The ACC side of the argument are generally opposed to a behavior. The PCC side of the argument seems to be opposed to a political perspective. The ACC side has provided scenarios that they consider to be "cancel culture", which have included actors that exist on both liberal and conservative ends of the political spectrum. The PCC side keeps blaming everything on "the right wing".

Is it at all possible for people to just set aside their partisan hatreds and focus on whether or not there's a clear "red end" and "blue end" of the spectrum, even if we all know there's a large orange-yellow-green area in between?

I don’t find it strange at all. Many people were made aware of its existence by hearing about it in political speeches and lawmakers public addresses, or political pundits monologues. That said, if you don’t want to recognize, or don’t think it’s an interesting point, that those same ACC people listed above will gladly call for or participate in cancellation of people and businesses who oppose their political agendas that’s fine. But I don’t think it’s fair to accuse them of politicization of the issue either.
 
Yes, the right wing media's misuse of the term has been pointed out repeatedly and given that there's been a lot of time spent trying to define the term based on that misuse it's becoming apparent that the goal is to try and deny that "cancel culture" even exists.

I've just found cancel culture discussed on several left leaning sites ( Vox, CNN, BBC ) so if the goal is to try and deny it exists, or write it off as some sort of right wing sneer term then we're faced with the same sort of wishing it away that climate change deniers like to use. Even Barack Obama has tossed in his two cents.

It's really only most of the commentary if you're paying an awful lot of attention to right wing media sources.

I've already agreed that cancellations/boycotts are something both the left and right participate in and the whole trying to twist the term out of existence by following the right wing media's lead is counter productive, to say the least.

If we look back and bring up names like Amy Cooper, Bonita Tindle, Adeira Richards ( all of whom have had extensive threads on them in this forum ) and examine their relationships to cancel culture might we find they're "victims" of cancel culture or cancellations that have backfired ? Did they deserve their eventual fates , were they treated fairly, are they still being treated fairly ?

I disagree, it’s been a talking point in political speeches at CPAC for instance. Nick Sandmann was a keynote speaker. Personally I think it’s much more interesting to discuss how it’s been being used as a wedge by right wing media to attack the left and media, including redefining the term to include other things they don’t like. I don’t think it’s counter productive to talk about what people are actually using the term to describe either. Like it or not, it’s a huge part of why you’ve even heard of cancel culture and why it’s a current event so many people are interested in.
 
What I find very strange about this thread is the politicization of it.

Let's broadly divide the thread into two groups: "anti-cancel-culture" (ACC) and "pro-choice-cancellationist" (PCC).

The ACC side of the argument are generally opposed to a behavior. The PCC side of the argument seems to be opposed to a political perspective. The ACC side has provided scenarios that they consider to be "cancel culture", which have included actors that exist on both liberal and conservative ends of the political spectrum. The PCC side keeps blaming everything on "the right wing".

And the reason we do so is...the actual common usage of the term is as a right-wing complaint about the actions of individuals or groups, regardless of what they are motivated by. Nobody "cancelled" Mr. Potatohead, Dr. Seuss, or the Muppets - these were just corporate decisions to change trademarks, drop embarrassing products, or add disclaimers about old-timey bigotry, respectively. The first and third examples are still easy to find - Mr. Potatohead and the rest of the Potatohead line are still for sale, the Muppets are on...Disney+ I think - and the second were simply not popular, which is why they're represented by The Cat in the Hat, rather than the less popular "chinaman who eats with sticks" or the nightmarish thing on the "If I Ran the Zoo" cover.

Seriously, that thing's terrifying.

I wouldn't be shocked if it were to resurface as "#CancelCoke", on the left, due to alliteration. It just sounds good, and refers to a previous campaign #CancelCosby. That's how an actual culture works - although the culture here is more "black Twitter" than "cancel culture", which is also only interesting as an alliteration, which is why we aren't discussing "muting culture" despite the more prominent #MuteRkelly hashtag.

But again, "cancel Culture" does not, in any way, refer to a demand to fire someone, or a boycott threat or action, in most cases where it's invoked. It's much more broadly tied to the specific signifier or political position being perceived - which, again, is often just "let's be more accepting of marginalized groups", but can be mangled beyond that, painting Dolt45's second impeachment as "Presidential cancel culture", or the MyPillow GUy's being dropped from various retailers for his advocacy of overthrowing democracy.

It also explains why right-wingers don't recognize it as "Cancel Culture" when they boycott, get people fired, etc. for *favoring* democracy, civil rights, and the like. It's because...

The US right wing also understands the definition of "Cancel Culture" to be "People are trying to accept and support marginalized groups instead of the rigid social caste system of generations prior".

...and when you take this as the definition, rather than "any boycott meant to pressure corporations into taking an action", you find that fits the actual usage far better.

ETA: It's akin to the use of "the Woke mob" and such. "Woke", in black media, basically means "aware of and actively against anti-black discrimination." It's used to the point that people who speculate broad white supremacist conspiracies (often while calling black women "my queen" and wearing appropriated outfits from various African groups) are chided as being "too woke" and told to "take a nap". But in right wing parlance the "woke mob" is the "they" that pushes "cancel culture". I've noted before that they're accidentally close to the bullseye when they denounce "Wokeist" professors, companies, and the like, for denouncing flatly white supremacist laws and icons or obviously anti-black voter suppression bills. Close, and yet at least pretending not to understand why they're close.
 
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Thanks for the info on the impact of your actions.

That information - the impact of your decision - is exactly why my response was not snarky. I realized that it could be read as snarky and condescending, but that wasn't my intent... which is why I added additional clarification about what I was interested in.

The impact if my decision is not nearly as important as the reason for that decision. If you like, the impact on his bottom line was a bonus - hit him where it hurts.

My decision was not to support a person who beat up on his wife as well as threatened her life. It would not matter to me whether he was a $10 a month trader, or a $10,000 a month trader... I'm having nothing to do with him.
 
I disagree, it’s been a talking point in political speeches at CPAC for instance. Nick Sandmann was a keynote speaker. Personally I think it’s much more interesting to discuss how it’s been being used as a wedge by right wing media to attack the left and media, including redefining the term to include other things they don’t like. I don’t think it’s counter productive to talk about what people are actually using the term to describe either. Like it or not, it’s a huge part of why you’ve even heard of cancel culture and why it’s a current event so many people are interested in.

Right wing use of the term has always been an item in this thread only it got buried in all that incessant demanding of a precise definition of the term. We can all acknowledge that it's rapidly evolving if you like and continue in that vein with an aim to anyone who might want to dredge all that crap up to STFU, we're using the term where it appears.
 
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