The Biden Presidency

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wareyin said:
Yeah, we're just going to have to disagree that saying Biden hates the left, or the Biden administration needs to be doing all this stuff that they're actually already doing but I didn't look before I said that is unreasonable, then.
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You're grasping at straws.
 
llwyd said:
I'm actually rather impressed by the Biden administration so far. Just to bluntly go for reconcialiation with the Covid relief was such a right choice. And then to follow that up with a gigantic infrastructure package partially financed with tax hikes for the millionaires and billionaires - that is so unlike Obama's apologetic proposals that already started as compromises... Obviously Obama had good reasons for moderation, but if you extend a hand to the modern Republican Party, it will simply get bitten off. They are a radicalized, irrational extremist party that is so obviously not interested in any compromise. Biden has so far been such a positive surprise.
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Hlafordlaes said:
100% agreed.
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Seconded.

This is so well said. The Republicans don't do compromise. They want to destroy government and are not not not interested in helping anyone. They serve only the haves.
 
The Republicans are far more concerned with not raising taxes than saving lives. No...let's be honest here: the Republicans are far more concerned with not raising taxes on the rich and losing votes and money from their wealthy donors than saving lives.

(In 2007_, the Interstate 35W bridge over the Mississippi River in downtown Minneapolis collapsed, sending cars, trucks and even a school bus that were crawling over it in bumper-to-bumper rush hour traffic plummeting into the river below and onto the rocky shore.

Thirteen people were killed, 145 more were injured, many of them seriously.

The bridge collapse sparked immediate calls in Minnesota and across the country invest big in repairing and replacing the nation's aging and crumbling infrastructure.

A decade later (make that 14 years), experts say there have been some improvements, but there are still tens of thousands of bridges nationwide that need to be fixed or replaced.
In the immediate aftermath of the 35W bridge collapse, the Minnesota Department of Transportation came under intense scrutiny. The interstate highway bridge had been classified as structurally deficient, meaning that it was aging and in need of repair. In fact, some repair work was going on when it fell. And the bridge was also rated as fracture critical, meaning the failure of just one vital component could cause the whole bridge to collapse.
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Captain_Swoop said:
Lauren Boebert tweeted

@laurenboebert
What’s in Biden’s “infrastructure” plan? Massive subsides for wind, solar, electric vehicles and other Green New Deal mandates. $85 billion for mass transit, $213 billion for “energy-efficient” housing, $35 billion for climate change, $25 billion for racial and gender inequities.
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I'd really like to be able to ask Boebert exactly what she thinks "infrastructue" is.
 
Delvo said:
I do not believe that "gigantic" and "massive" are accurate descriptions. It's about a third to a fifth of the low ends of ranges that have been given as estimates of what's needed. Are those who say that what he's proposing is very large saying those estimates of the need have been overstated?
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Depends on what is used as the basis for the comparison. Compared to need, you're right, Biden's proposals are slim. Compared to what has been proposed and approved in the past, they quite well can be described as "gigantic" and "massive".
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
:D And she thinks all that is bad. :rolleyes:


It's so unfortunate the GOP has chosen to demonize any alternative energy and any mitigation for the COVID pandemic. :mad:
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I think "demonize" is the perfect word in this context. GOP objections are, like demons, entirely imaginary - they have very little to do with reality.
 
It's so interesting that McConnell has announced no Republicans will vote for the Biden Infrastructure bill. Seriously, do the Republicans actually do any governing? Are they interested in solving anything?
 
Delvo said:
I do not believe that "gigantic" and "massive" are accurate descriptions. It's about a third to a fifth of the low ends of ranges that have been given as estimates of what's needed. Are those who say that what he's proposing is very large saying those estimates of the need have been overstated?
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SezMe said:
Depends on what is used as the basis for the comparison. Compared to need, you're right, Biden's proposals are slim. Compared to what has been proposed and approved in the past, they quite well can be described as "gigantic" and "massive".
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It is several orders of magnitude beyond anything the "Party of Do Nothing" has proposed.
 
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acbytesla said:
It's so interesting that McConnell has announced no Republicans will vote for the Biden Infrastructure bill. Seriously, do the Republicans actually do any governing? Are they interested in solving anything?
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As long as all Democrats vote for it, it will pass, because its a new financial year, so they can pass this with the budget reconciliation rule. Getting that idiot Manchin to go along with it is another story.
 
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smartcooky said:
As long as all Democrats vote for it, it will pass, because its a new financial year, so they can pass this with the budget reconciliation rule. Getting that idiot Manchin to go along with it is another story.
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He'll vote for it. There will be some nice pork for West Virginia and he can brag to his constituents that he brought home the bacon.
 
SezMe said:
Depends on what is used as the basis for the comparison. Compared to need, you're right, Biden's proposals are slim. Compared to what has been proposed and approved in the past, they quite well can be described as "gigantic" and "massive".
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smartcooky said:
It is several orders of magnitude beyond anything the "Party of Do Nothing" has proposed.
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That way of looking at it is one of the biggest problems in American politics at the moment. The campaign is over. "At least he's not as bad as the other side" doesn't matter a bit anymore. The moment his Presidency began, it was time to start judging his Presidency on its own merits, not using his predecessor as an excuse. That's one of the lowest bars in the history of politics. It's like a manager doing a new employee's job performance review and having nothing better to say than "well, at least (s)he hasn't burned the place down".

acbytesla said:
He'll vote for it. There will be some nice pork for West Virginia and he can brag to his constituents that he brought home the bacon.
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That depends on whether one considers bacon a type of pork.
 
acbytesla said:
It's so interesting that McConnell has announced no Republicans will vote for the Biden Infrastructure bill. Seriously, do the Republicans actually do any governing? Are they interested in solving anything?
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I think an honest, serious answer is no. They had no party platform for the 2020 election so, in practical terms, their platform was whatever Trump wants. Now that he's (mostly) gone, that leaves them pretty much rudderless. Even that group of "moderate Republicans" which included /?Romney, Susan Collins, etc. came up with an alternative infrastructure plan that was laughably inadequate.

This, in my view, explains why "cancel culture" is so big on the right. The GOP 1) has nothing positive to talk about, and 2) knows their base is motivated by a sense of alienation from the old-time American culture run by White Christian men. So highlighting the cancellation (they claim) of something (even something made up) riles up the base and gets them to the polls.

Public policy? Don't give a damn. Tax cuts (for the rich)? Hot damn. Cooperating with common sense ideas to help all of us get passed the pandemic. Up yours, you pointy-headed libtard. Conservative judges, no matter their qualifications? Damn tootin' that's most important.

The big question is how long can they carry on like this. We haven't seen the end of Trumpism yet so I, for one, haven't the foggiest idea.
 
Delvo said:
...The moment his Presidency began, it was time to start judging his Presidency on its own merits, not using his predecessor as an excuse. That's one of the lowest bars in the history of politics. It's like a manager doing a new employee's job performance review and having nothing better to say than "well, at least (s)he hasn't burned the place down".....
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Are you ignoring all Biden has accomplished so far or just replying to a post here? :boggled:
 
The Biden admin has accomplished quite a bit so far in my opinion. A massive COVID relief bill, a massive infrastructure bill, a huge vaccine roll out, and beginning to address the border and a pretty big voting rights bill through the house. Reengaging with the WHO and the Paris climate agreement, strengthening the ACA. All of this was badly and incomprehensibly neglected and badly needed.

Not bad for a walking corpse.
 
dirtywick said:
The Biden admin has accomplished quite a bit so far in my opinion. A massive COVID relief bill, a massive infrastructure bill, a huge vaccine roll out, and beginning to address the border and a pretty big voting rights bill through the house. Reengaging with the WHO and the Paris climate agreement, strengthening the ACA. All of this was badly and incomprehensibly neglected and badly needed.

Not bad for a walking corpse.
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I hope they have plenty of that BRAIN DRUG® left.
 
Delvo said:
That way of looking at it is one of the biggest problems in American politics at the moment. The campaign is over. "At least he's not as bad as the other side" doesn't matter a bit anymore. The moment his Presidency began, it was time to start judging his Presidency on its own merits, not using his predecessor as an excuse. That's one of the lowest bars in the history of politics. It's like a manager doing a new employee's job performance review and having nothing better to say than "well, at least (s)he hasn't burned the place down".

That depends on whether one considers bacon a type of pork.
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The issue involves rather more than comparing to just the criminally derelict T**** crew. Between the Covid package and the proposed infrastructure bill, we're looking at the biggest infusion into the economic heart of the nation since WW2. It's more than a once in a generation thing; it's nearer to 3 generations. How many administrations is that?

Even Obama's bailout pales in comparison. And that really just propped up the goddamned robber barons that caused the whole crap show in the first place.

Talk about hitting the ground running! It gives this northern observer a glimmer of hope.
 
SezMe said:
I think an honest, serious answer is no. They had no party platform for the 2020 election so, in practical terms, their platform was whatever Trump wants. Now that he's (mostly) gone, that leaves them pretty much rudderless. Even that group of "moderate Republicans" which included /?Romney, Susan Collins, etc. came up with an alternative infrastructure plan that was laughably inadequate.

This, in my view, explains why "cancel culture" is so big on the right. The GOP 1) has nothing positive to talk about, and 2) knows their base is motivated by a sense of alienation from the old-time American culture run by White Christian men. So highlighting the cancellation (they claim) of something (even something made up) riles up the base and gets them to the polls.

Public policy? Don't give a damn. Tax cuts (for the rich)? Hot damn. Cooperating with common sense ideas to help all of us get passed the pandemic. Up yours, you pointy-headed libtard. Conservative judges, no matter their qualifications? Damn tootin' that's most important.

The big question is how long can they carry on like this. We haven't seen the end of Trumpism yet so I, for one, haven't the foggiest idea.
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On top of that, I think they'd admit it and be proud of it. The trumpists and libertarian types I talk with online don't want the government to do anything, because it interferes with freedom, at the very least because the govt is taking your money through taxes. I can barely get assent for the socialism of fire stations.
 
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