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Trebuchet said:
And just for the record, my "allopathic" doctor DID have me tested for Vitamin D, as he does for patients my age, found it to be low, and has me taking the supplement. It's a Safeway brand, so "Big Supermarket"!
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It's par for the course at medicals where I work. The doc will recommend that whatever employee take whatever supplement as required. mostly, people are quite open about whatever was found amiss, quite a few with vitamin D deficiency. Employees are free to share results or not as they wish. The employer is not in any way informed of anything. It it more along the lines of here are the results, here are the results and here are the recommendations for what to do about it. It is up to the employee after that.


Now some internet "genius" will inevitably ask how it is that I can possibly know that this medical information does not get back to the employer. Easy. I am the employer. No medical reports come to me bar my own.
 
bruto said:
What do you mean "can't seem to find?" It's right there. He had Covid. The reason you can't find anything about vaccine is because it's not there. You might wish it were, but it isn't. If he had the vaccine, the news is not contained in the article you linked to. He had Covid.

e.t.a. By the way that article is behind a paywall, though one may get a free read before it kicks in. For those not able to access it, the article concerns Kent Taylor, the CEO of the Texas Roadhouse restaurants, who got covid and apparently could not cope with the symptoms of its aftermath, including severe tinnitus, so he killed himself. I don't quite know why an anti-vaxxer and denier of the severity of Covid would post this if she'd bothered actually to read it, but I suspect there are some places we had best not try to go.
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What I can't find is did the man kill himself because he had covid or because he developed horrid tinnitus from the Mrna vaccines....I'd like to find that info.

And I believe most who died from covid itself was mostly respiratory issues, could not breath, were put on ventilators, etc. Nothing during all the covid has tinnitus been mentioned but it sure is with the Mrna vaccines.
 
abaddon said:
Yes.

Course not. Sunlight maintains my vitamin D level. No need at all for suspect, snake oil supplements.

Except they are not. Naturally. I have no need to pop the pills you advocate.
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Oh my thoughts on Ireland, pretty dark and dank, not much sun...

But good Irish potatoes.
 
Caroline13 said:
What I can't find is did the man kill himself because he had covid or because he developed horrid tinnitus from the Mrna vaccines....I'd like to find that info.
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Given your track record, it won't be long before you've decided that the vaccine caused tinnitus and stating it as a fact.
 
Caroline13 said:
Oh my thoughts on Ireland, pretty dark and dank, not much sun...



But good Irish potatoes.
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What are you blathering on about? Ireland is clearly another subject you are ignorant on, but as you have demonstrated, ignorance doesn't stop you from pontificating on anything.

Anyway, up to 90% of UV rays*can pass through light clouds so even on an overcast day, so you don't need direct exposure to sunlight for Vitamin D synthesis to occur.
 
Caroline13 said:
What I can't find is did the man kill himself because he had covid or because he developed horrid tinnitus from the Mrna vaccines....I'd like to find that info.

And I believe most who died from covid itself was mostly respiratory issues, could not breath, were put on ventilators, etc. Nothing during all the covid has tinnitus been mentioned but it sure is with the Mrna vaccines.
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You can't find it because it's not ******* there, how hard is this to understand? The account is clear that he got Covid and developed the tinnitus. If you have not found a Covid-tinnitus link it's just because you're either unwilling or unable to do the research or to consult any resources other than the usual crackpot conspiracy sites. It's easy for most of the rest of us to find.

Of course if you really want a vaccine link in this story, you are free to make one up, and it would not surprise me if one of your pet covidiot sites manages to do just that, but if you wanted to avoid sinking your credibility any further, I think you'd give this one up.
 
Caroline13 said:
What I can't find is did the man kill himself because he had covid or because he developed horrid tinnitus from the Mrna vaccines....I'd like to find that info.

And I believe most who died from covid itself was mostly respiratory issues, could not breath, were put on ventilators, etc. Nothing during all the covid has tinnitus been mentioned but it sure is with the Mrna vaccines.
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Tinnitus is a known potential effect of COVID.

To poke at some numbers not in that link, though, here's a quote from another.

Our analysis of the pooled data, published in the International Journal of Audiology, reveals that 7%-15% of adults diagnosed with COVID-19 report audio-vestibular symptoms. The most common symptom is tinnitus (ringing in the ears) followed by hearing difficulties and vertigo.

Tinnitus

Tinnitus is a common condition, affecting around 17% of all adults. Most people with tinnitus also have hearing loss, suggesting a close link between the two. In fact, tinnitus is often the first warning that, for instance, exposure to loud noise or drugs that are toxic to the ear has damaged the hearing system. Interestingly, there are reports that tinnitus is a common symptom of long COVID, which is where symptoms last weeks or months after the infection has gone.
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COVID is, by far, far more likely of an explanation than a vaccine that isn't referenced at all in the article.

ETA: Going further, at last check, COVID is also strongly associated with blood clot issues that can cause deaths and heart issue related deaths, not just respiratory issues. COVID is nasty. Cytokine storms and bradykinin storms are also no joke.
 
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Aridas said:
Tinnitus is a known potential effect of COVID.

To poke at some numbers not in that link, though, here's a quote from another.



COVID is, by far, far more likely of an explanation than a vaccine that isn't referenced at all in the article.

ETA: Going further, at last check, COVID is also strongly associated with blood clot issues that can cause deaths and heart issue related deaths, not just respiratory issues. COVID is nasty. Cytokine storms and bradykinin storms are also no joke.
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I read this info and could be too, that the media kept the vaccine use out of the Kent Taylor death report on media, after all the PUSH for more and more vaccines is strong. Then there is the group who reported on tinnitus from the Mrna vaccine use. I posted that one above.
 
Caroline13 said:
I read this info and could be too, that the media kept the vaccine use out of the Kent Taylor death report on media, after all the PUSH for more and more vaccines is strong.
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While possible, such is unlikely. Suicide actually connected to vaccine would be extremely unusual and attention getting, which would normally lead to increased attention and profits for a news outlet.

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Then there is the group who reported on tinnitus from the Mrna vaccine use. I posted that one above.
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To go into some comparative numbers for risk -

First, risk of tinnitus from COVID, as mentioned a moment ago, seems to be from 7-15%.

Second, risk of tinnitus that might be related to vaccine, much as systems like VAERS do not establish causation, in and of itself.

The U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database cites 152 reports of tinnitus among 25,072 COVID-19 recipients of vaccines from Pfizer-BioNtech and Moderna. The database also has 11 reports of sudden hearing loss and 39 reports of hypoacusis (loss of hearing acuity).

A U.K. database cataloging adverse events related to AstraZeneca and Pfizer-BioNtech vaccines also lists a number of cases of tinnitus. In a summary of adverse reaction reports for the 54,180 recipients of the AstraZeneca vaccine from Jan. 1 to Feb. 28, there were 320 tinnitus reports. For the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, there were 196 tinnitus reports among 33,207 recipients in the same time frame.
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From the VAERS numbers - 152/25,072 = 0.61%

From the UK database AZ - 320/54,180 = 0.59%

From the UK database PB - 196/33,207 = 0.59%

In short, risk of tinnitus because of COVID is quite dramatically greater than risk of tinnitus that even *might* have been related in some way with a vaccine, based on the currently available data.

ETA: From that link, I feel like quoting this bit, too, for more general educational purposes.

“I find anything that causes temporary inflammation, e.g. cold or flu-like symptoms can cause temporary tinnitus,” said Julian Cowan Hill, an author, therapist and manager of Quieten, an app to help tinnitus.

Stress from the pandemic itself may be at least partly to blame, Cowan Hill said. “I’ve worked with tinnitus sufferers for 20 years and definitely find a very strong link between stress, fear, anxiety, the fight-or-flight response and tinnitus,” he explained.

While there are a variety of potential triggers of the condition — ranging from hearing loss to head trauma to medicine side-effects, “often what keeps it going is fear and anxiety,” Cowan Hill said.
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One of the known side-effects of my chemo is tinnitus. I was warned about in advance. I could have chosen not to have the chemo, which might have resulted in death.

It's very loud now, triggered by all the talk in the thread. I'm not dead though.

No one ever claims vaccines are risk free. The diseases against which they protect are riskier.
 
Caroline13 said:
I read this info and could be too, that the media kept the vaccine use out of the Kent Taylor death report on media, after all the PUSH for more and more vaccines is strong. Then there is the group who reported on tinnitus from the Mrna vaccine use. I posted that one above.
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This is such a perfect example of the conspiracy theorist's mind. If there's no evidence supporting a claim, then that in itself is evidence that "they" are hiding the evidence. They know that something is true because of the complete lack of evidence.
 
Read a story about a long married couple contracting COVID-19; husband dies, wife survives. Just one of millions of stories across the globe. Disgusting to witness COVID deniers and snake oil peddlers pissing on their memories.
 
Caroline13 said:
I read this info and could be too, that the media kept the vaccine use out of the Kent Taylor death report on media, after all the PUSH for more and more vaccines is strong. Then there is the group who reported on tinnitus from the Mrna vaccine use. I posted that one above.
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Well, since we're apparently free to use what the article doesn't say wasn't the cause of the tinnitus and the suicide...maybe he overdosed on Vitamin D and grape seed extract. After all, there seems to be a pretty strong push on for more and more use of those things, and maybe the media kept his use of them out of the report.

More seriously...what Foster Zygote says. I don't know why people are talking to Caroline as if she's someone who could be swayed by evidence for or against an idea, when it's plain that the lack of evidence for or against works just as well.
 
Caroline13 said:
I read this info and could be too, that the media kept the vaccine use out of the Kent Taylor death report on media, after all the PUSH for more and more vaccines is strong. Then there is the group who reported on tinnitus from the Mrna vaccine use. I posted that one above.
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In other words, just because you can't accept the report as it exists, you made up your own with no basis in fact. And you wonder why people consider your input unreliable and dishonest? You claim you cannot find evidence of tinnitus caused by Covid, yet it's immediately and abundantly available from relatively unbiased sources if you actually look for it.

As others have pointed out, if you make up one story, why not any story? Why stop at mere facts, right? There's just as much evidence in the report to support the theory that the tinnitus was caused by Jewish space lasers, or for that matter the theory that Caroline 13 snuck into the poor man's bedroom and pierced his ears with knitting needles in order to sell more grape seeds.

If you make up your own facts, there are no boundaries. You are lost in a jungle of your own making.
 
Caroline13 said:
What I can't find is did the man kill himself because he had covid or because he developed horrid tinnitus from the Mrna vaccines....I'd like to find that info.

And I believe most who died from covid itself was mostly respiratory issues, could not breath, were put on ventilators, etc. Nothing during all the covid has tinnitus been mentioned but it sure is with the Mrna vaccines.
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Why not just make it up? That's what you normally do.
 
Rant, Power/Control Media (left) has on People and for sure Older people.


I'm talking about TV and LA Times (very left leaning) in my area. I no longer own/watch tv now for probably 4 yrs and do NOT read LA Times. Now the friend below watches TV and reads the LA Times, SO>>>>>

Now a friend who is 93 and she considers herself very alternative in healing, takes many supplements, Vit C, D, Zinc, Grape Seed Ex and many more and her issues are OA and Glaucoma and a lot of hearing loss. But otherwise healthy, no colds, no flu and is dealing a year now with side effects from the Shingles vaccine, she's taking Oscillo daily to counter the nausea and headaches...so she has that daily struggle from shingles vac.

So we're talking a little while ago and I told her about all the tinnitus issues I'm reading from the Mrna vaccines and tell her, good thing she didn't take it and keep doing what you are doing and you will be fine... so the next comment from her was "I took the Moderna yesterday", I about screamed and said I don't believe you did it, then said if you end up with tinnitus and other issues, you'll know why. I said now you will be dealing with side effects from 2 vaccines, shingles and covid. The only other info she gets on all this craziness is from me but trusts Fauci and company more obviously...Again the brainwashing the media does and continues and will be forever.:eek::mad:
 
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