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Cancel culture IRL

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d4m10n said:
What definition of "canceled" are you working from, though? I assume that you referred exclusively to competed cancellations (to include significant sanctions) at #1949.
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I’ve been using the definition that you provided from the beginning. I’ve made this clear over and over again.

I cannot decide on whether it makes sense to say someone was "cancelled" (past tense) when they personally suffered nothing more than unwanted infamy. I have been entirely clear and consistent, however, on whether the initial event was an instance of "cancel culture."

You are free to believe that it's only "cancel culture" when someone actually suffers sanctions, but I don't think you've made a convincing case for this view.
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Again, I’m using the definition that you provided. I haven’t made a case for anything in that regard. I’m asking you if your example in the OP fits the definition of “cancel culture” that - again - you provided.

So far, your response has been waffling and clumsy attempts to shift the burden to me.

Again, really hard to believe that any of this is genuine when you continue to be so evasive in the face of straightforward inquiry.
 
Distracted1 said:
A phobia is a mental disorder. Why would they persecute the young woman for a mental disorder?
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'Phobia' is simply a greek root and is used to discuss aversions in a variety of contexts. Homophobia is not listed in the DSM-5, so it's safe to say that it is not being used in that context to discuss a mental disorder.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
There may have been a brief time when "cancel culture" may have had a more firm definition that described a novel, mostly online phenomena, but that time has passed. Conservative culture warriors have conflated it beyond all recognizable meaning. The true meaning now is more ambiguous, largely due to the incoherence of the right wing, but can basically be summed up as "any exercise of judgement that conservatives disagree with".

Insisting on some original coinage is pointless semantics. We've reached the stage where a children's book publisher can't exercise basic editorial control over their own IP without conservative freaks crying that libs want to desecrate the corpse of every beloved American author they can get their hands on.
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Life must be so easy when wearing such blinkers.

I asked before, do you consider me a right wing conservative? Thermal? Emily’s Cat? D4m10n?
 
lionking said:
Life must be so easy when wearing such blinkers.

I asked before, do you consider me a right wing conservative? Thermal? Emily’s Cat? D4m10n?
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Do you think Dr. Seuss was "cancelled" unjustly because they decided to stop publishing a handful of lesser titles with racist imagery?

Direct insults are against the MA, but anyone that is getting their blood pressure up because they can't see racist depictions of non-white people in children's books is safely considered considered a conservative freak in my book.
 
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Thermal said:
There really isn't a hard definition. How could there be? It's an evolving mostly Twitter thing. People use it in the spirit they take it to mean, so it's going to be ambiguous by nature.

I take it as a kind of wildcat name-and-shame. Andy got slammed internationally for doing nothing more than doing his job as instructed. Yet he gets personally blasted for Krogers policy. While that may not be True Scotsman Cancel Culture, it's the same spirit of attaching some poor schmuck's mug and name to someone else's bad decision.
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Then what we end up with is the term being used for anything that someone might find disagreeable, and it therefore becomes meaningless.

The Muppets were “cancelled”.

Mr. Potato Head was “cancelled”.

Dr. Seuss was “cancelled”.

If everything is “cancel culture”, then nothing is.
 
johnny karate said:
Then what we end up with is the term being used for anything that someone might find disagreeable, and it therefore becomes meaningless.

The Muppets were “cancelled”.

Mr. Potato Head was “cancelled”.

Dr. Seuss was “cancelled”.

If everything is “cancel culture”, then nothing is.
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You should consider bottling that argument, to keep it fresh in your mind.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
There may have been a brief time when "cancel culture" may have had a more firm definition that described a novel, mostly online phenomena, but that time has passed. Conservative culture warriors have conflated it beyond all recognizable meaning. The true meaning now is more ambiguous, largely due to the incoherence of the right wing, but can basically be summed up as "any exercise of judgement that conservatives disagree with".

Insisting on some original coinage is pointless semantics. We've reached the stage where a children's book publisher can't exercise basic editorial control over their own IP without conservative freaks crying that libs want to desecrate the corpse of every beloved American author they can get their hands on.
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I suppose that's pretty much on point. I had the impression that right wingers were using it more sarcasticly, riffing on Twitter usage, But I may be wrong on that.

And re: Seuss, yeah. The right wing is over the top on those few books going out of print. He isn't Cancelled, by any usage,although editing the books and republishing would have been a better move. I liked Mulberry Street, for the message.
 
johnny karate said:
I’m asking you if your example in the OP fits the definition of “cancel culture” that - again - you provided.
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I've already answered this repeatedly in the affirmative. It clearly fits since it was "performed on social media in the form of group shaming" per the definition.

This is not the same as asking whether Andy was "cancelled," though, which you've also asked a few times. My answer to that (distinct) question is at #2077.
 
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And this is why in every discussion you have a core group of Proudly Wrong people who's initial step is always to muddy the language so nobody can use it.

Now nobody can actually make a point, because we'll never agree on the language.

Just like they intended, and just like we let them get away with.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
And this is why in every discussion you have a core group of Proudly Wrong people who's initial step is always to muddy the language so nobody can use it.
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Muddy the language? I'm literally using the lexical definition of the key phrase at issue here.
 
d4m10n said:
Muddy the language? I'm literally using the lexical definition of the key phrase at issue here.
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The way the term was originally coined or how you use it is largely irrelevant. Colloquial usage, primarily by aggrieved conservatives, have rendered the phrase meaningless.
 
d4m10n said:
Muddy the language? I'm literally using the lexical definition of the key phrase at issue here.
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Yeah that's some good straw-Vulcan, literal robot arguing there.

"Waaaaat? I'm just pretending like context, implied meaning, sarcasm, street level usage, and all other forms of 'not dictionary perfect' language don't exist. Why what ever could be confusing about that?"

Yes. You assuming that everyone is talking is perfect machine code is muddying the language. Which you know very well. Because you are doing it on purpose.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
You assuming that everyone is talking is perfect machine code is muddying the language.
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What the **** are you talking about, here? I've been clear about what I intend to convey by "cancel culture" but I've asked people to tell me what they mean by the key terms here.

For example:
d4m10n said:
Do you happen to have a working definition which you prefer?
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This is basically the opposite of assuming everyone is talking perfect machine language.

SuburbanTurkey said:
The way the term was originally coined or how you use it is largely irrelevant. Colloquial usage, primarily by aggrieved conservatives, have rendered the phrase meaningless.
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So the phrase used to be meaningful but now it's useless, because we must all defer to aggrieved conservative usage?
 
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lionking said:
Life must be so easy when wearing such blinkers.

I asked before, do you consider me a right wing conservative? Thermal? Emily’s Cat? D4m10n?
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I wouldn’t call anyone a freak. But reality is conservatives have been using it both as a cultural war rallying cry and a way to deflect criticism. I think it’s silly to legitimize their tactics.
 
d4m10n said:
What the **** are you talking about, here? I've been clear about what I intend to convey by "cancel culture" but I've asked people to tell me what they mean by the key terms here.
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I'm talking about you sitting there and pretending that "Cancel Culture" has to have one singular definition that everyone is using equally.

Nobody is going to fall into your obvious bait of trapping us all in one specific use of the term so you can go "Aha you said cancel culture that means blah blah blah."

Your pathetic pedanticness crossed the line into deliberate obtuseness about 10 pages back. Push it further and see where it goes.
 
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