Cancel culture IRL

[PhantomWolf]

What the hell are you talking about? Who was calling for "cancellation" of those things?

A lot of people, many of them the same people that are now bemoaning the fate of Gina Carano. Just go and have a look on Twitter or YouTube.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Literally no one has been saying that here at ISF.

Funnily enough, I thought this was a discussion about the general situation and not just restricted to ISF posters.

 

[JoeMorgue]

"The internet is not the real world and vice versa" is where of lot squaring the circle happens in regard to this topic.

 

[johnny karate]

I've never taken much interest in open-and-shut cases. Have fun in that thread, though.

It’s an ongoing threat built around the cult of QAnon that continues to pose a real and significant danger. It embodies the definition of “mob mentality” and it attacked the seat of our government. To say it’s “open and shut” implies that it’s dealt with and done. It’s not.

But hey, you apparently said one thing on Facebook. Now we can get back to the more pressing business of the “mob mentality” that prevents millionaires from playing Stars Wars characters and how perilous that is for society.

 

[johnny karate]

Its actually a word that means pretty much the opposite of how you are using it. It means a woke peeson who scolds others for not being woke enough. Woke...scold.

Huh.

Thanks for the correction.

 

[Stout]

Calls for Brie Larson to be cancelled ? Say it's not so.

We need Brie Larson to step down from her role to prove she is an ally of social justice and ensure a gay woman of color plays the role. Let Monica, the original female & BLACK Captain Marvel instead of white-washing characters for the benefit of the straight, white men running Disney.

 

[johnny karate]

Calls for Brie Larson to be cancelled ? Say it's not so.

And yet it failed. Like so many other attempts at “cancellation”.

I guess some mobs have figured out the magic formula that allows them to dictate policy to major corporations, while other mobs haven’t.

Perhaps the mob that forced Disney to fire Gina Carano can offer a seminar for the mob that failed to force Disney to fire Brie Larson.

 

[d4m10n]

It’s an ongoing threat built around the cult of QAnon that continues to pose a real and significant danger. It embodies the definition of “mob mentality” and it attacked the seat of our government. To say it’s “open and shut” implies that it’s dealt with and done. It’s not.

Do let me know if there's an interesting controversy; I've been subbed to the thread the whole time but haven't seen anything yet.

But hey, you apparently said one thing on Facebook. Now we can get back to the more pressing business of the “mob mentality” that prevents millionaires from playing Stars Wars characters and how perilous that is for society.

Have you ever heard of the fallacy of relative privation? We can all agree that violent mobs who threaten democracy are worse than online mobs who threaten individual careers, but that doesn't tell us anything about whether it's ethical to join in the latter type of mob on any given occasion.

 

[johnny karate]

Do let me know if there's an interesting controversy.

It’s weird that you don’t think violent mobs trying to overthrow our government is something that’s controversial.

Have you ever heard of the fallacy of relative privation?

It’s not an issue of saying this thing is a bigger problem so let’s ignore that thing. It’s an issue of people claiming to be concerned about “mobs” exaggerating threats to be concerned about and ignoring actual ones.

It’s like chastising someone who lights a match about fire safety while ignoring a burning building.

In short, it makes the proffered justification for a concern appear to not be credible.

 

[Cavemonster]

Have you ever heard of the fallacy of relative privation?

How good or bad or acceptable something is doesn't have an objective answer. We eventually run into the is/ought problem.

So within the subjective realm of "Is this thing a problem that cries out for a lot of people's attention" yes, a call for perspective is pretty reasonable.

I expect that if I combed through your history I'd find some appeals to the same.

If instead of being fired, Ms. Carano had instead gotten her morning latte delivered slightly room temperature, would this thread and the general cancellation uproar have been appropriate? If not, how would you justify that without evaluating where a privation sits in the scheme of things?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Nobody is impressed that anyone can scour the internet and nutpick a few random crazies mad that the new Teddy Roosevelt biopic isn't staring a wheelchair bound autistic genderfluid otherkin.

 

[johnny karate]

We can all agree that violent mobs who threaten democracy are worse than online mobs who threaten individual careers, but that doesn't tell us anything about whether it's ethical to join in the latter type of mob on any given occasion.

Until you begin to apply the concept of ethics and morality uniformly, this question is of no value.

 

[d4m10n]

It’s weird that you don’t think violent mobs trying to overthrow our government is something that’s controversial.

What is the controversy, exactly? They broke the law, they should be prosecuted.

Until you begin to apply the concept of ethics and morality uniformly, this question is of no value.

I don't think anyone has reached ethical nirvana just yet.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Got it. We must all assume you don’t necessarily support bad things even if you haven’t explicitly said so. But anyone pointing out that “cancel culture” previously existed before now must be assumed to support it in all forms unless they explicitly say otherwise to your personal satisfaction.

For a minute there, I thought we should all be held to the same standards. Silly me.

That's such an idiotic rejoinder I hardly know where to begin.

Clearly, you are just fine with sex slavery, and have no problem with it.

 

[Emily's Cat]

Group A: Cancel Culture is a problem!

Group B: “Cancel Culture” has been around in some form or another for a long time. Why does it suddenly concern you now?

Group A: Salem Witch Trials! Straw man! “Mob mentality”! You’re not addressing my concerns! Loud noises!

Well hell, just go ahead and zap me back a couple of hundred years so I can tell the witch hunters that I have a problem with what they're doing too. That's a reasonable thing to expect, right?

 

[Emily's Cat]

Many, many people. It’s weird you don’t know that considering what strong principle-based opinions you have on the subject. Why, if I didn’t know better, I would think that your concerns are selective...

Be specific - which people? Which posters on ISF? Are any of them posting in this thread?

A lot of people, many of them the same people that are now bemoaning the fate of Gina Carano. Just go and have a look on Twitter or YouTube.

How do you think that the behavior of some other person somewhere else invalidates m y personal views and those expressed by posters on ISF?

Especially when the claim being made is that "the same people" complaining about cancel culture impacts (which implies the people in this thread) are "the same people" doing this other thing somewhere else.

 

[Dr. Keith]

My thoughts on Kaepernick: He started a huge, national conversation, and due to a few different factors, a lot of people didn't like what he was doing and said so. I didn't agree with them but they're entitled to form their own opinions and vocalize them and I respect that. The NFL reacted the way a business does which is to protect itself and try to retain as many customers as it can. In doing so, it violated the NFLPA, which after trying to cover it up they paid a settlement for doing. They revised their flag and anthem policy and publicly supported athlete protests, and eventually revised their uniform policy so that athletes can make social statements with their apparel as public opinion turned. Kaepernick began a new career as an activist, and the NFL continues to play football games. He actually accomplished some stuff.

But, I don't really have a problem with how any of that went. It sucks that he lost his career over it, but being an NFL QB is as much a PR gig as it is playing ball. He knew that going in. To me it's "wrong" in the sense that I support what he was protesting on a few levels, including the idea that athletes shouldn't have to just "shut up and play" like they aren't allowed to think for themselves, and feel that people should have understood that and supported his choice to speak up. But it's not "wrong" in the sense that people that disagreed with me on that shouldn't have said anything. I support their choice to speak up as much as his, even if I don't agree with the message.

He took a stand, risked his career knowingly and in many ways won. And yet he lost a lot. For that the NFL paid, but he still lost a lot for a cause that he believed in. I'm sure that he really would have preferred to keep playing, but he has to also be proud of the change that has flowed from his actions.

I'm not sure why people keep bringing him up as a victim of cancel culture, he was just a victim of racism in his workplace and in society generally. Focusing on the "cancel culture" aspect of what happened to him is like having a conversation about handgun caliber choices among LEOs instead of talking about why there is an unarmed handcuffed dead man on the ground with sixteen shots in his back.

The how is a bit immaterial after the fact. The why is typically far more important.

 

[Emily's Cat]

It’s weird that you don’t think violent mobs trying to overthrow our government is something that’s controversial.

Are you seriously requiring virtue signaling here?

 

[JoeMorgue]

"Cancel Culture" "Virtue Signaling" yeah we are just hitting all the "I want to demonize actually having standards" buzzwords here.

 

[TragicMonkey]

I have to wonder if some people deliberately try to provoke others into attempting to "cancel" them, so they can play the victim and hope to parlay that into greater fame, fortune, and support. Given the many recent examples of people encountering negative consequences for acting like jerks, those who keep on must be either deliberate or dim.