Ed Corona Virus Conspiracy Theories....

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Tom Palven said:
I guess that's possible, but CV-19 didn't spread everywhere at once, and is still spreading, and the flu is not being reported from, virtually, anywhere.
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As has been already been pointed out, covid is more contagious than flu. Try to let this sink in.

BTW, my wife and I visited Sturgis, SD, about two weeks after the motorcycle rally last August and had a beer in a brew pub on Harley Davidson Blvd.

We spoke to the owner and a few others.

The owner said the only Covid case he knew of was that a bartender of his got very sick early on and tested positive, and all the employees were worried about her and her young daughter, but she recovered and was back at work in a week or so, and her daughter never got sick.
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One would be hard pressed to invent an anecdote as inane and non persuasive as this.
 
Tom Palven said:
My skepticism may have begun with the reading of The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements by Eric Hoffer, 1951.

As mentioned earlier, Christian sects recognize over 10,000 Saints who, after authorities have allegedly rigorously examined data, have been proven to have performed at least two miracles.

I submit to you that if you can explain the political and economic circumstances that led to the fact that over 2 billion people today say they believe that an angel hovered over The Virgin Mary, causing her to give birth to The Son of God who died for our sins, that it will go a long way to explaining why millions of people are True Believers in this new mass movement: Resistors of the Covid Plague.
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Is this a joke?

The guy who worked at the gas station next to where I work would get a kick out of it...if he hadn't died from COVID-19 last April.

Jesus doesn
t protect people from viruses. That's why God made doctors. Thanks for playing.
 
GlennB said:
Has it crossed your mind that you might be carrying it but are asymptomatic? That you might be infecting others? That your claim of 'first hand experience' is totally selfish and short-sighted?
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All this gibberish has crossed my mind and been dismissed by critical thinking. As far as I know, the claim that "asymptomatic" people can infect others is based on a single person from Wuhan in a "study" published by Christian Drosten et al, also author of the first "Covid-19" PCR-Test, who belongs in an insane asylum (it is not his fault that he is carried around as the "one expert virologist" not only in Germany but all around the "infectious" area, so he shouldn't be treated like the scum that knows what they are doing). The person has since been revealed to have taken heavy drugs to suppress the symptoms while she was working.
 
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My nephew's neighbor's Toucan can pick the pig race winners at the Iowa State Fair.
 
Tom Palven said:
I guess that's possible, but CV-19 didn't spread everywhere at once, and is still spreading, and the flu is not being reported from, virtually, anywhere.
BTW, my wife and I visited Sturgis, SD, about two weeks after the motorcycle rally last August and had a beer in a brew pub on Harley Davidson Blvd.

We spoke to the owner and a few others.

The owner said the only Covid case he knew of was that a bartender of his got very sick early on and tested positive, and all the employees were worried about her and her young daughter, but she recovered and was back at work in a week or so, and her daughter never got sick.

For us it was like with Ralph Mellish on June 4, 1973. Nothing happened.

That's not what we were hearing from the media.
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So in Sturgis, where conspiracy theory and denialism are rampant, you choose to believe a bartender's anecdote rather than state and media reports and statistics?

Your argument, to put it succinctly, fails to persuade.

edit to add: On what do you base that (yellow highlighted) observation? A quick look at statistics from mainstream sources indicates that there is quite a lot of flu being reported from quite a lot of places. In many it's down from previous years, as you'd expect, but far far from none. Are you ignorant of the statistics, or are you accusing the CDC and other agencies of lying aboutit?
 
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bruto said:
So in Sturgis, where conspiracy theory and denialism are rampant, you choose to believe a bartender's anecdote rather than state and media reports and statistics?

Your argument, to put it succinctly, fails to persuade.
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With the detail provided we can't even tell if that anecdote is describing a situation better than what is reported in the media. How many employees does the brew pub have? What was the time period (just the 2 weeks since the rally that the anecdote mentions)? If 1 person in 40 is getting infected every two weeks, that would have been about 5 times the infection rate they were actually experiencing at that time. A rate they didn't actually reach until the holiday period.
 
Tom Palven said:
I guess that's possible, but CV-19 didn't spread everywhere at once, and is still spreading, and the flu is not being reported from, virtually, anywhere.

BTW, my wife and I visited Sturgis, SD, about two weeks after the motorcycle rally last August and had a beer in a brew pub on Harley Davidson Blvd.

We spoke to the owner and a few others.

The owner said the only Covid case he knew of was that a bartender of his got very sick early on and tested positive, and all the employees were worried about her and her young daughter, but she recovered and was back at work in a week or so, and her daughter never got sick.

For us it was like with Ralph Mellish on June 4, 1973. Nothing happened.

That's not what we were hearing from the media.
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What a load.

You are stating out front that you are happy to spread it and do not care.

What do you think that makes you appear to be?
 
Tom Palven said:
I guess that's possible, but CV-19 didn't spread everywhere at once, and is still spreading, and the flu is not being reported from, virtually, anywhere.

BTW, my wife and I visited Sturgis, SD, about two weeks after the motorcycle rally last August and had a beer in a brew pub on Harley Davidson Blvd.

We spoke to the owner and a few others.

The owner said the only Covid case he knew of was that a bartender of his got very sick early on and tested positive, and all the employees were worried about her and her young daughter, but she recovered and was back at work in a week or so, and her daughter never got sick.

For us it was like with Ralph Mellish on June 4, 1973. Nothing happened.

That's not what we were hearing from the media.
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You really don't want to talk about about the fact that there's a massive scientific consensus that says you're flat wrong.

It's simple - if you're right, then the global medical scientific community is either perpetrating a hoax involving many millions of doctors world-wide, or they're all so incompetent that you've completely outsmarted them.

It's so much like when someone who didn't even take high school physics tries to tell everyone why he thinks space-flight is impossible.
 
Tom Palven said:
I didn't call it a hoax because I don't think this was centrally-planned, but was a confluence of interests, including a panic-porn-loving press.

It smelled fishy from the beginning, with vague references to pangolins and Chinese weapons labs, etc.

As a newbie, I can't submit links, but for starters, I would suggest that you google C.diff (Clostrid1um difficile), and note how differently nursing home and hospice care deaths with late C. diff are reported as compared to alleged CV-19 deaths.
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Why are you a spreader of Covid conspiracy theories, and deny over 500,000 Americans died due to Covid?

Why do you believe in Covid conspiracy theories and deny science? I think Caroline13 shares your ideas on Covid.

NOTE: you know why the flu is down? Because we are social distancing and wearing masks, so the flu has no way to spread. Too bad we don't social distance when we get the flu, and stay home and isolate...

... flu season is responsible for an estimated 15,000 to 60,000 in a year, whereas Covid is over 10 times the max, and we are trying not to spread it
 
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Tom Palvin's statements stray very close to the philosophical phenomenon known as "Meinong's Jungle." That's the place where every idea that has been uttered becomes thereby an ontological thing we must deal with.

Here, it seems, we declare something fishy because we just threw fish at it. Make up some crap about Chinese weapons labs and there it is. We can't trust the media now because they don't talk about the Chinese weapons labs.
 
Tom Palven said:
My skepticism may have begun with the reading of The True Believer: Thoughts on the Nature of Mass Movements by Eric Hoffer, 1951.



As mentioned earlier, Christian sects recognize over 10,000 Saints who, after authorities have allegedly rigorously examined data, have been proven to have performed at least two miracles.



I submit to you that if you can explain the political and economic circumstances that led to the fact that over 2 billion people today say they believe that an angel hovered over The Virgin Mary, causing her to give birth to The Son of God who died for our sins, that it will go a long way to explaining why millions of people are True Believers in this new mass movement: Resistors of the Covid Plague.
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Okay, that's nice.

As you quoted my post in your meandering thoughts, could I ask you do the courtesy of answering the damn question?
 
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Tom Palven said:
I didn't call it a hoax because I don't think this was centrally-planned, but was a confluence of interests, including a panic-porn-loving press.

It smelled fishy from the beginning, with vague references to pangolins and Chinese weapons labs, etc.

As a newbie, I can't submit links, but for starters, I would suggest that you google C.diff (Clostrid1um difficile), and note how differently nursing home and hospice care deaths with late C. diff are reported as compared to alleged CV-19 deaths.
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I see you are "new blood" here and I am too now maybe a month or so...and I believe it's all been so planned and designed and here we are The New Brave World.
 
beachnut said:
Why are you a spreader of Covid conspiracy theories, and deny over 500,000 Americans died due to Covid?

Why do you believe in Covid conspiracy theories and deny science? I think Caroline13 shares your ideas on Covid.

NOTE: you know why the flu is down? Because we are social distancing and wearing masks, so the flu has no way to spread. Too bad we don't social distance when we get the flu, and stay home and isolate...

... flu season is responsible for an estimated 15,000 to 60,000 in a year, whereas Covid is over 10 times the max, and we are trying not to spread it
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Vaccines, some got Covid, and got better, some carried the virus and it never materialized and they were NOT sick and the TESTING Agenda has been slowed down, the big push for testing and finding more misinformation in all the testing..grrrrr
 
Sherkeu said:
FYI: This article is called
Doctors And Nurses Giving The Covid-19 Vaccine Will Be Tried As War Criminals’

I did not read it but feel free to! It just bugs me when someone shares a link that shows up truncated - with no explanation of what it is or any comment on it.
c'mon posters...we can be better netizens of ISF.
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Sweet, merciful crap! Is there a new homeopathic wonder-cure that involves eating paint chips from really old houses?
 
Caroline13 said:
Vaccines, some got Covid, and got better, some carried the virus and it never materialized and they were NOT sick and the TESTING Agenda has been slowed down, the big push for testing and finding more misinformation in all the testing..grrrrr
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2,471,087 people, as of today, got COVID 19 and died.
 
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