The Biden Presidency

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ChristianProgressive said:
So far, I've gotten just about what I expected under Biden. A weak-spined accommodationist who has no taste for direct confrontation with the Treasonous GOP. But at least he's not Usurper Trump.
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Good. Then you must be very happy that you got what you expected so you can whinge to your heart's content. Just imagine how unhappy you'd be if you didn't have that to be unhappy about.
 
ChristianProgressive said:
So far, I've gotten just about what I expected under Biden. A weak-spined accommodationist who has no taste for direct confrontation with the Treasonous GOP. But at least he's not Usurper Trump.
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His first step was to overturn just about every Trump measure he could. His next step was to appoint competent, experienced public servants to top jobs. And with the Senate at 50-50, he certainly hopes to bring a few Repubs to his side. What else do you think he should have done in his first three weeks?
 
Bob001 said:
His first step was to overturn just about every Trump measure he could. His next step was to appoint competent, experienced public servants to top jobs. And with the Senate at 50-50, he certainly hopes to bring a few Repubs to his side. What else do you think he should have done in his first three weeks?
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Solve the Middle East problem, end world hunger, cure cancer, and discover who killed Jon Benet Ramsey. Other than doing that he's nothing short of a complete failure.
 
Bob001 said:
His first step was to overturn just about every Trump measure he could. His next step was to appoint competent, experienced public servants to top jobs. And with the Senate at 50-50, he certainly hopes to bring a few Repubs to his side. What else do you think he should have done in his first three weeks?
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Forced through his cabinet picks on 51-50 votes.

Instructed his DoJ to immediately begin a top to bottom investigation of the last four years, starting with following up on the Mueller Report. Include the counter-intelligence branches of both the FBI and the CIA.

Fire every decision-maker in ICE and submit them to the ICC for their Crimes Against Humanity.

There's three for starters.
 
ChristianProgressive said:
Forced through his cabinet picks on 51-50 votes.

Instructed his DoJ to immediately begin a top to bottom investigation of the last four years, starting with following up on the Mueller Report. Include the counter-intelligence branches of both the FBI and the CIA.

Fire every decision-maker in ICE and submit them to the ICC for their Crimes Against Humanity.

There's three for starters.
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And find a cure for AIDS in his down time. Man, you don't expect much, do you? I suggest you try living in reality instead of La La Land and you won't be so disappointed.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
The Biden administration met with Politico on January 21st. The fact that they basically did nothing until the story broke today is not to their credit.
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He was sworn in the day before. He's been kind of busy in the last 3 weeks. You know, pandemic, setting up new administration, etc. Honestly, get a grip. Somehow, if Bernie had accomplished exactly the same amount, I doubt you'd be moaning and groaning like this.
 
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Stacyhs said:
He was sworn in the day before. He's been kind of busy in the last 3 weeks. You know, pandemic, setting up new administration, etc. Honestly, get a grip.
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I mean, nobody told this guy to be a piece of **** on day 1, but that's what happened. The admin must clean up their messes as they occur.

They were aware of the problem and their solution was an apology letter.

Let's not be naive here. Had the story not hit the press, they never would have done anything about this guy.
 
ChristianProgressive said:
Instructed his DoJ to immediately begin a top to bottom investigation of the last four years, starting with following up on the Mueller Report. Include the counter-intelligence branches of both the FBI and the CIA
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Great... you're wanting him to do exactly what Trumpf was criticised for... use the DoJ as his own personal hit squad to investigate his political adversaries!!

The President is supposed to maintain a respectful distance from the DoJ, not to reach in and influence. He's supposed to put experienced, competent and reliable people in charge and let them decide what needs to be investigated.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
I mean, nobody told this guy to be a piece of **** on day 1, but that's what happened. The admin must clean up their messes as they occur.

They were aware of the problem and their solution was an apology letter.

Let's not be naive here. Had the story not hit the press, they never would have done anything about this guy.
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But they already had done something. He was made to apologize before he was suspended.
 
ChristianProgressive said:
What else do you think he should have done in his first three weeks?
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Forced through his cabinet picks on 51-50 votes.
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Are they even doing cabinet confirmations right now? I though things were kind of suspended while they handle the impeachment proceedings.
Instructed his DoJ to immediately begin a top to bottom investigation of the last four years, starting with following up on the Mueller Report. Include the counter-intelligence branches of both the FBI and the CIA.
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As someone else pointed out, you would ideally want the DoJ to be independent of the president (to prevent situations where the president uses the justice department in a biased manner.)

And Merrick Garland is still waiting confirmation. Hopefully once he is in office he will do some of those things.
Fire every decision-maker in ICE and submit them to the ICC for their Crimes Against Humanity.
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I am sure there are people that need to be removed from ICE. However, according to the Wiki page, they are still functioning with an acting director. I suspect they will need to get a full time director confirmed by the senate before they do any sort of housekeeping.
 
One of the things I am amused by in this Trial is how so many Trump worshippers etc., are A), Ignoring the context and B),Having a very poor notion of rhetoric, being a demagogue and plausible deniability.

I have read and I heard Trump's speech it is classic rhetorical demagoguery designed very clearly to get the mob riled up and angry and then set them loose. But at the same time the Demagogue wants to preserve plausible deniability so he / she doesn't quite say "go and attack X", instead he / she stokes emotions, uses inflamed rhetoric and "fighting words", an mouths the occasional platitude about being "peaceful" and goes right back to inflaming people. A classic example of this in literature is Mark Anthony's speech to the mob at Caesar's funeral in Julius Caesar. Anthony doesn't tell the mob to attack, kill or beat up the assassins of Caesar but his rhetoric is clearly designed to get a violent response from the mob.

Trump added those platitudes about being "peaceful" to give himself plausible deniability if things went wrong. Just like so many other Demagogues in history.

Of course the context of Trump's speech, (Two months of outrageous lying about a stolen election.), along with his lack of response during and after the riot along with his utter lack of contrition and continuing to push the stolen election lie indicate his responsibility.
 
Pacal said:
One of the things I am amused by in this Trial is how so many Trump worshippers etc., are A), Ignoring the context and B),Having a very poor notion of rhetoric, being a demagogue and plausible deniability.

I have read and I heard Trump's speech it is classic rhetorical demagoguery designed very clearly to get the mob riled up and angry and then set them loose. But at the same time the Demagogue wants to preserve plausible deniability so he / she doesn't quite say "go and attack X", instead he / she stokes emotions, uses inflamed rhetoric and "fighting words", an mouths the occasional platitude about being "peaceful" and goes right back to inflaming people. A classic example of this in literature is Mark Anthony's speech to the mob at Caesar's funeral in Julius Caesar. Anthony doesn't tell the mob to attack, kill or beat up the assassins of Caesar but his rhetoric is clearly designed to get a violent response from the mob.

Trump added those platitudes about being "peaceful" to give himself plausible deniability if things went wrong. Just like so many other Demagogues in history.

Of course the context of Trump's speech, (Two months of outrageous lying about a stolen election.), along with his lack of response during and after the riot along with his utter lack of contrition and continuing to push the stolen election lie indicate his responsibility.
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It's obvious to anyone who isn't stupid, doesn't have their head in the sand, isn't intellectually dishonest, isn't a Trump cultist, or isn't a GOP senator with political ambitions who wants Trump voters.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
I mean, nobody told this guy to be a piece of **** on day 1, but that's what happened. The admin must clean up their messes as they occur.

They were aware of the problem and their solution was an apology letter.

Let's not be naive here. Had the story not hit the press, they never would have done anything about this guy.
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From the Vanity Fair article:
Ducklo subsequently called a Playbook editor to object to the story, but was told to call the Playbook reporters with his concerns. But instead of calling the male reporter who initially contacted him, Ducklo tried to intimidate Palmeri by phone in an effort to kill the story.
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It bugs me that the implication seems to be that women are easier to intimidate than men. I also think it's a stretch to call his tantrum misogyny - not all abuse is sexism. The reporter should have told him to drop dead, or worse.

Generally you want your press people to be tactful, discreet and not hotheaded, unless you're Donald Trump, who would have given the guy a promotion.
 
Stacyhs said:
And find a cure for AIDS in his down time. Man, you don't expect much, do you? I suggest you try living in reality instead of La La Land and you won't be so disappointed.
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Every one of the things I said is completely possible and within the President's power. We elected Democrats to utterly repudiate the GOP, not to "work with" them, not to "heal" the nation. We want justice and accountability to be brought upon the GOP.
 
smartcooky said:
Great... you're wanting him to do exactly what Trumpf was criticised for... use the DoJ as his own personal hit squad to investigate his political adversaries!!

The President is supposed to maintain a respectful distance from the DoJ, not to reach in and influence. He's supposed to put experienced, competent and reliable people in charge and let them decide what needs to be investigated.
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Calling for fair investigations is not being partisan.
 
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